Department of Redundancy Department

[empirestate]

Maybe that particular neighborhood thought that one octagon STOP sign isn't enough to convey the motorists to actually stop hence four of them in that image. Don't 'ya think that's a bit of overkill?

They clearly need a flashing red light suspended over the intersection.  Or maybe two in each direction.

Or this: https://youtu.be/ILNQN7fniDE

[cjk374]

Maybe that particular neighborhood thought that one octagon STOP sign isn't enough to convey the motorists to actually stop hence four of them in that image. Don't 'ya think that's a bit of overkill?

They clearly need a flashing red light suspended over the intersection.  Or maybe two in each direction.

Or this: https://youtu.be/ILNQN7fniDE

That is just way too cool! I like that.

[kkt]

To save someone else googling, the water curtain stop sign is in Sydney.  Interesting technology, but it shouldn't take that to get the attention of drivers of tall trucks.  Will they now feel free to run into any other low bridge instead of paying attention to signs?

[empirestate]

To save someone else googling, the water curtain stop sign is in Sydney.  Interesting technology, but it shouldn't take that to get the attention of drivers of tall trucks.  Will they now feel free to run into any other low bridge instead of paying attention to signs?

It also shouldn't take that to get the attention of taxi drivers at mid-block Manhattan crosswalks, but here we are.

[jeffandnicole]

To save someone else googling, the water curtain stop sign is in Sydney.  Interesting technology, but it shouldn't take that to get the attention of drivers of tall trucks.  Will they now feel free to run into any other low bridge instead of paying attention to signs?

It also shouldn't take that to get the attention of taxi drivers at mid-block Manhattan crosswalks, but here we are.

Neither would brick walls. They would simply use the sidewalks.

[empirestate]

To save someone else googling, the water curtain stop sign is in Sydney.  Interesting technology, but it shouldn't take that to get the attention of drivers of tall trucks.  Will they now feel free to run into any other low bridge instead of paying attention to signs?

It also shouldn't take that to get the attention of taxi drivers at mid-block Manhattan crosswalks, but here we are.

Neither would brick walls. They would simply use the sidewalks.

That's...not something I've seen evidence of. (Also, I missed a step or two in the discussion; is it your belief that they wouldn't stop for the water curtains–is that what the "neither" goes with?)

[jeffandnicole]

Exactly.  Since we're only using theories anyway, I doubt taxis would stop simply because they're about to get wet. Sure, it's alarming the first time, but once they understand the use of it they'll realize they could just drive thru it.

[empirestate]

Exactly.  Since we're only using theories anyway, I doubt taxis would stop simply because they're about to get wet. Sure, it's alarming the first time, but once they understand the use of it they'll realize they could just drive thru it.

OK, I see. I think we got a little mixed up though; I wasn't being theoretical at all. Something more than a simple STOP sign is actually needed to get traffic to stop at the mid-block crosswalks (such as the ones at 6 1/2 Ave.). All traffic, too; I should have said more than just taxis. Bicycles most of all.

However, I certainly agree that the water curtain wouldn't work. That would only be effective on drivers unfamiliar with the area, such as over-height trucks about to enter a tunnel they're unfamiliar with.* For midtown Manhattan drivers, though, they would be come very familiar very quickly with where these water curtains are and just go on ignoring them as with any other traffic control device.

But I don't agree that a brick wall wouldn't work; I've never seen anything like a taxi driving up onto the sidewalk to avoid even so much as a police barricade, let alone an actual building. So some other physical barrier such as retractable bollards might indeed be effective, if not cost-effective. Another option might be whatever keeps people from parking during street-cleaning periods, but gives them no hesitation to double-park during the same periods, even though that offense carries the higher penalty. It's not that New Yorkers don't follow rules, it's just that they're selective about which rules are to be obeyed, and there seems to be a universal tacit understanding about which rules those are.

* (I started to write this sentence in the singular–"an over-height truck"–but re-cast the sentence to allow for the use of plural "they".)

[Brandon]

Maybe that particular neighborhood thought that one octagon STOP sign isn't enough to convey the motorists to actually stop hence four of them in that image. Don't 'ya think that's a bit of overkill?

They clearly need a flashing red light suspended over the intersection.  Or maybe two in each direction.

Or this: https://youtu.be/ILNQN7fniDE

Bad idea.  You'd drench anyone with a convertible, or even just the windows open.

[Alex4897]

Maybe that particular neighborhood thought that one octagon STOP sign isn't enough to convey the motorists to actually stop hence four of them in that image. Don't 'ya think that's a bit of overkill?

They clearly need a flashing red light suspended over the intersection.  Or maybe two in each direction.

Or this: https://youtu.be/ILNQN7fniDE

Bad idea.  You'd drench anyone with a convertible, or even just the windows open.

I'd rather that happen than an oversized vehicle smash into that tunnel opening.

[Brandon]

Bad idea.  You'd drench anyone with a convertible, or even just the windows open.

I'd rather that happen than an oversized vehicle smash into that tunnel opening.

Just wait for the ensuing lawsuit.

[The Nature Boy]

It looks like the stop sign only activates once someone gets close to the tunnel. Does it come up after a few seconds? That would prevent anyone from getting drenched.

If you come out the other side wet, it's a sure sign to the cops that you've run the stop sign?

[empirestate]

Maybe that particular neighborhood thought that one octagon STOP sign isn't enough to convey the motorists to actually stop hence four of them in that image. Don't 'ya think that's a bit of overkill?

They clearly need a flashing red light suspended over the intersection.  Or maybe two in each direction.

Or this: https://youtu.be/ILNQN7fniDE

Bad idea.  You'd drench anyone with a convertible, or even just the windows open.

I don't think a convertible is likely to trip the overheight sensor here...


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[Bruce]

From the local light rail (train) system here in Seattle:



(Westlake is the current northern terminus of the line, for context)

These are only patches covering the future destinations anyway (opening this March and September):

Before the patch:



After the patch:

[Scott5114]

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6250397,-97.2965517,3a,75y,101.48h,85.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBNha-988QWitcK8LM3qG-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

This one here with both KS 15 being mentioned in both shield and text.

I heard the story behind that one when I was there and noticed that sign a couple of years ago, but I forget.

I think it's something similar to the Pennsylvania Turnpike example upthread, in that this is to distinguish it from the "Wichita/Salina" exit (I-135) and the "Wichita" (K-96) exit. It matches what's printed on the toll tickets.

[SignGeek101]

A little redundant, but probably for the better:

https://goo.gl/maps/Ui2UxbwCRzE2

[Kacie Jane]

From the local light rail (train) system here in Seattle:



(Westlake is the current northern terminus of the line, for context)

These are only patches covering the future destinations anyway (opening this March and September):

Before the patch:



After the patch:

Ironically, the new ("before the patch") sign is still redundant, since the University of Washington is in Seattle.

In fact... it looks like those pictures are from the Beacon Hill station?  So why do they say Seattle at all, since Beacon Hill is a neighborhood in Seattle?  It would make a lot more sense if they said "Westlake" or "Downtown" instead.

[TEG24601]

From the local light rail (train) system here in Seattle:



(Westlake is the current northern terminus of the line, for context)

These are only patches covering the future destinations anyway (opening this March and September)

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

[kkt]

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

Probably Tukwila, the previous end of the line stop.

[Kacie Jane]

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

Probably Tukwila, the previous end of the line stop.

No, it's probably Angle Lake (200th St.), which should open at the end of this year.

[mrsman]

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

Probably Tukwila, the previous end of the line stop.

No, it's probably Angle Lake (200th St.), which should open at the end of this year.

It would make sense to make the permanent sign the permanent terminus, and putting a cover over the sign until the new stations open.

I beleive this was also done on some freeway segments with the same idea in mind.

[jay8g]

So... what did it say before SeaTac/Airport?

Probably Tukwila, the previous end of the line stop.

No, it's probably Angle Lake (200th St.), which should open at the end of this year.

It would make sense to make the permanent sign the permanent terminus, and putting a cover over the sign until the new stations open.

I beleive this was also done on some freeway segments with the same idea in mind.

What I don't get is why they didn't just use blank patches, covering up the "&" and the future terminus. That would have looked so much better than this...

[Alex]

Been wanting to photograph this one for awhile and took a pic this morning. It is located along Pinellas County 296 east at the SPUI with Florida 693.

[roadman65]

Well I must say it is redundant, however I know some users on here who thinks this is the same as when the NJ Turnpike uses both the green stamp shield along with the text "NJ TURNPIKE" or "NJ Turnpike" on various state BGSes.  Another story here on that one.

In fact it is the best find of redundant on here, IMO.

[paulthemapguy]

Two EB reassurance markers on I-70, coming off of exit 91 in Indiana (both are visible in the image linked below)

https://goo.gl/maps/7DY8jemdWew