State (or equivalent) routes with two unrelated freeway segments

Started by hotdogPi, September 12, 2020, 09:02:42 AM

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hotdogPi

What I am excluding:

  • US routes. There are just too many examples.
  • One freeway, but with a gap (such as MA 2, MA/RI 146)
  • Overlaps, such as MA 140 (one legitimate segment plus an overlap with MA 2)

Examples:

CA 99
NJ 18
OH 2
PA 309 (may be disqualified as a former US route)
TN 111
TX 6
TX 183

ON 7
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22,35,40,53,79,107,109,126,138,141,151,159,203
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 9A, 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 193, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36


Max Rockatansky

CA 1 has numerous freeway segments.  The Monterey and San Francisco Peninsula segments are independent of any other route multiplex. 

CA 198 has a freeway segment in Kings County and one in Tulare County.

CA 178 had a freeway segment near Lake Isabella and one in Bakersfield.

CA 58 has numerous freeway segment East of Bakersfield joined by expressway segments.  The West Side Parkway technically is a part of Route 58 that isn't joined to the main line yet.   

CA 4 has a lengthy freeway in the Bay Area and the East/West Freeway in Stockton.

California in general is going to have a lot of examples, I would just need to sit down and think about all of them. 

SectorZ

Can we consider a Super-2 a freeway?

If so, NH 101 (Milford Bypass, everything east of I-93) are 2 unrelated stretches.

We could also add MA 2 in that, since the part just east of I-91 is briefly a freeway along with being unrelated from the other freeway parts.

webny99

It's tougher than I thought to come up with examples for New York.
The only one that immediately comes to mind is NY 5, which has unrelated freeway segments in Syracuse and Buffalo.

vdeane

Quote from: webny99 on September 12, 2020, 12:34:28 PM
It's tougher than I thought to come up with examples for New York.
The only one that immediately comes to mind is NY 5, which has unrelated freeway segments in Syracuse and Buffalo.
Don't forget Utica!  Officially I believe the portion east of Genesee Street is NY 5 alone.

It probably feels like NY should be easier than it is because US 9 has several unrelated freeway segments, and since NY doesn't treat US routes any differently than the more major state routes, the exclusion of US routes from this thread seems arbitrary.

NY 7 is arguably a former example, as the cloverleaf with I-81 has been replaced with traffic lights.

Quote from: SectorZ on September 12, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
We could also add MA 2 in that, since the part just east of I-91 is briefly a freeway along with being unrelated from the other freeway parts.
How are the other freeway parts related to each other but not to the one near I-91?  I would have assumed that the plan was for a contiguous freeway from I-91 to US 3.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

TheHighwayMan3561

MN 65 is probably our best/only example. There is basically zero state highway freeway mileage outside the metro.

Dirt Roads

West Virginia can't compete in this thread.  As best as I can tell, there are only two sections of state roads with freeway segments in the entire state, both new:  WV-9 between Shenandoah Junction and South Martinsburg (2009); and Toll WV-43 from I-68 to the Pennsylvania line (2011).  I've been on the predecessor roads many time, but not the new freeway sections (unclinch!)

In the past, we also had WV-94 from I-64 over the West Huntington bridge viaduct (now US-52), a two-lane divided limited access highway.  I also recall that in the 1960's, WV-95 had a short section of freeway with interchanges somewhere between I-77 and the end of the divided section at Buckeye Street (can't find evidence, now it looks like all the street intersections are at-grade).  I also recall that there were several US route freeway sections marked temporarily as state roads.  But the one that came to mind, WV-290 from the I-77 East River Mountain tunnel towards Bluefield appears to have always been partially limited access.

Max Rockatansky

Some others from California I thought of:

CA 299 has a freeway segment near Blue Lake and Redding.

CA 65 has a freeway segment in Porterville and the Sacramento Area.

CA 132 will have two freeway segments once the new stub west of CA 99 in Modesto is finished. 

CA 17 has freeway segments on both sides of the Santa Cruz Mountains.

CA 68 has a small freeway segment near Salinas and is multiplexed on another in Monterey with CA 1.

CA 14 has a large freeway segment from I-5 to Lancaster and another segment north of it.

CA 138 has a freeway stub east of I-5 and is multiplexed on another with CA 14.

CA 12 has freeway segments in Napa and Santa Rosa.

CA 29 has freeway segments in Napa and Lakeport.

CA 156 has a freeway segment in Castroville and is multiplexed on another with US 101 north of Prunedale.

CA 70 has a freeway segment in Marysville and Oroville.

DandyDan

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 12, 2020, 09:59:34 PM
MN 65 is probably our best/only example. There is basically zero state highway freeway mileage outside the metro.
MN 60 does have the St. James and Madelia bypasses and it shares the freeway segment through Mankato with US 169.
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sprjus4

VA-168 in the Hampton Roads area.

The route is a full freeway between 2 miles north of the North Carolina state line and I-64, with an additional 1940s freeway segment through Ocean View in Norfolk. VA-168 runs on city streets otherwise, with the portion between I-64 and Downtown Norfolk paralleled by I-464, and the portion between Norview and Ocean View paralleled by I-64, except that short stretch through Ocean View which is technically freeway grade.

US-58 in Virginia. Technically, it's US route, but only ever leaves Virginia at its very western tip - it's practically a state route. Many freeway segments including Suffolk Bypass, Holland Bypass, Fraklin Bypass, Courtland Bypass, Lawrenceville Bypass, Clarksville Bypass, Danville Bypass, Martinsville Bypass, and Hillsville bypass, along with a 20 mile concurrency with I-81 north of Bristol.

jp the roadgeek

CT 2 has 2 portions: Hartford-Norwich, and the Foxwoods bypass. 

CT 15 has two segments: the Merritt/Wilbur Cross Parkway and the South Hartford/Charter Oak Bridge portion.

CT 17 has two short (standalone) portions: Middletown just south of CT 9, and South Glastonbury just south of its northern terminus at CT 2.

RI has no such instances

NY 27 has the Prospect Expressway and Sunrise Highway

If you count concurrencies, there's NY 7 with I-88, I-890, and the standalone ALT 7.

NY 9A has the West Side/HHP portion and a segment in Westchester County.

Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

Bruce

WA 509, with a freeway around the Port of Tacoma and another freeway through Burien and southwestern Seattle. Even after the latter is "completed", SR 509 will be disconnected.
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lakewobegon

Minnesota Hwy. 23 has freeway on the Willmar Bypass and the western portion of the Paynesville Bypass (east of Hwy. 55, there are at grade intersections).
Bob Weisman

pianocello

Due to Iowa's practice of building up 4-lane expressway corridors with interchanges, the distinction between freeway and expressway can get kinda blurred in many cases. That also makes it hard to define unrelated freeway segments.

That said, I think we can include IA 5 (DSM southern bypass and Knoxville bypass) and maybe IA 92 (Knoxville bypass and south of Muscatine with US 61).




I don't think Florida has any examples, as most state highways don't extend very far past their freeway segments, if they have any. When FDOT builds a new freeway along a state highway corridor, it seems like they tend to keep the original highway as-is and assign a new number to the freeway.
Davenport, IA -> Valparaiso, IN -> Ames, IA -> Orlando, FL -> Gainesville, FL -> Evansville, IN

webny99

Quote from: vdeane on September 12, 2020, 09:53:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 12, 2020, 12:34:28 PM
It's tougher than I thought to come up with examples for New York.
The only one that immediately comes to mind is NY 5, which has unrelated freeway segments in Syracuse and Buffalo.
Don't forget Utica!  Officially I believe the portion east of Genesee Street is NY 5 alone.

I actually did remember Utica, but the OP excluded overlaps, and I wasn't confident enough that any of it was independent to include it in my list. If it is indeed just that section between Genesee St. and Leland Ave., it seems like a bit of a stretch to call that a freeway. It's basically just ramps at that point.


Thing 342

AK-1: The Seward Highway and Glenn Highway bypasses south and northeast of Anchorage, respectively.
MD-5: The Branch Ave. Freeway coming out of Washington, plus the (short) freeway Hughestown Bypass.
NC-16: The Brookshire Freeway in Charlotte west of I-77, and a freeway bypass of Lowesville further north.

Would post NC-87 were it not for NCDOT's annoying habit of marking new bypasses as labeled routes and having the mainline run through town (which is the primary reason I haven't clinched US-17 yet).

sprjus4

^

Despite being marked as a "Bypass", I would still generally consider it apart of the mainline route.

froggie

Minnesota also has a triple-example along MN 55: a short segment southeast of downtown Minneapolis (to 26th St), near Fort Snelling and across the Mendota Bridge (technically goes from the MN 62 West interchange to MN 13), and MN 3 to US 52.  One could argue the latter two are a "gap", but neither are directly related to the first segment.

CNGL-Leudimin

Quote from: Thing 342 on September 13, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
Would post NC-87 were it not for NCDOT's annoying habit of marking new bypasses as labeled routes and having the mainline run through town (which is the primary reason I haven't clinched US-17 yet).

Doesn't NCDOT sign the through town route as Business and the bypass as Bypass? At least that was what I read a long time ago. In that case there would seem to be breaks in the route, except the Bypass is also the mainline.

In Spain, this would only happen on regions that don't use separate numbers for freeways. In Catalonia, C-31 consists of five disjoint sections, three of which are at least partly freeway.
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US 89

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on September 13, 2020, 04:56:28 PM
Quote from: Thing 342 on September 13, 2020, 01:19:28 PM
Would post NC-87 were it not for NCDOT's annoying habit of marking new bypasses as labeled routes and having the mainline run through town (which is the primary reason I haven't clinched US-17 yet).

Doesn't NCDOT sign the through town route as Business and the bypass as Bypass? At least that was what I read a long time ago. In that case there would seem to be breaks in the route, except the Bypass is also the mainline.

What he's saying is that the official mainline route runs along what is marked as "business".

skluth

WI 16 is one freeway segment around Watertown (sharing part with WI 26) and another segment east of Oconomowoc
WI 26 has segments around Milton, Fort Atkinson/ Jefferson, and Watertown. It also shares a tiny segment with US 151 NE of Waupun.
WI 57 has one freeway segment NE of Green Bay and another NW of Port Washington
WI 145 used to have two with the Fond du Lac and Park Freeways in Milwaukee, but the Park Freeway no longer exists.

Not including WI 29 because it's essentially an expressway being gradually updated to freeway from Elk Mound to Green Bay

Overlaps
WI 11 is a freeway for some obscure reason around Monroe and is routed on I-39/90 SE of Janesville
WI 23 is a freeway between Plymouth and Sheboygan and shares a freeway with I-39 near Endeavor

vdeane

Quote from: webny99 on September 13, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: vdeane on September 12, 2020, 09:53:02 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 12, 2020, 12:34:28 PM
It's tougher than I thought to come up with examples for New York.
The only one that immediately comes to mind is NY 5, which has unrelated freeway segments in Syracuse and Buffalo.
Don't forget Utica!  Officially I believe the portion east of Genesee Street is NY 5 alone.

I actually did remember Utica, but the OP excluded overlaps, and I wasn't confident enough that any of it was independent to include it in my list. If it is indeed just that section between Genesee St. and Leland Ave., it seems like a bit of a stretch to call that a freeway. It's basically just ramps at that point.
I would consider the portion to Leland Avenue a part of the wider freeway, not separate to it.  Also, given the way I-790 is, I'd consider it concurrent with NY 5 rather than the other way around.  Also worth noting that the portion of the North-South Arterial south of I-790 is inventoried as NY 5, not NY 12, because NYSDOT always uses the lower-numbered route for state and US routes (note that the reference markers on the Canandaigua Bypass say "5", not "20").  And it's not like NY 5 hops onto a NY 12 freeway either, because the freeway starts at the same place the overlap does.  They both have equal claim.

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 13, 2020, 03:14:59 AM
CT 15 has two segments: the Merritt/Wilbur Cross Parkway and the South Hartford/Charter Oak Bridge portion.
I believe those were supposed to be connected.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

thspfc

WI-23, with the I-39/US-51 concurrency and a freeway segment in Sheboygan County.
Edit - not allowed.

skluth

Quote from: thspfc on September 13, 2020, 08:26:23 PM
WI-23, with the I-39/US-51 concurrency and a freeway segment in Sheboygan County.
Edit - not allowed.

That was listed under the "Not included" part, but I really should have made that clearer. WI-11 also had that issue.