Interstate 11

[Rothman]

Condos are definitely not all luxury.  The range is considerable.

[Scott5114]

Non-luxury condos are definitely more of an East Coast thing. In the central and west parts of the country, they tend to have a luxury connotation.

[kkt]

Around here condos are seen as a less expensive purchase price than houses.  Less floor space, less freedom to do what you want, mandatory fees which can be changed by the condo board and spent not necessarily in accordance with an owner's wishes, likely to appreciate less than houses.

[silverback1065]

EVERY new apartment, condo, and townhome is luxury now. that's how they advertise all of them 

[Max Rockatansky]

They might as well all be luxury apartments and condos out here.  I paid more than my current mortgage at my last apartment and I shudder to think how much rent has spiked since 2017.  Rent is one of the worst items I can think of in the last ten years in terms of outpacing inflation.

[vdeane]

Non-luxury condos are definitely more of an East Coast thing. In the central and west parts of the country, they tend to have a luxury connotation.

I have noticed that different areas have different mixes.  The apartments in the Rochester area tend to be older, so everything tends to either be old enough to lack things like central heat/air or be a modern el cheapo "luxury" place with paper-thin walls run by one of just two corporate landlords.  Condos, however, are plentiful, so there's a market segments between apartments and full-on houses.  In the Capital District, development is newer, and condos are rare, with the few that exist being "luxury" units that cost the same as a small McMansion.

[RG470]

Here in Singapore, due to the price of land, condos are seen as a luxury compared to the Public Housing flats most people live in, and normal houses are even more of a luxury, with most such houses being duplexes.

[Terry Shea]

I thought this was a road forum, not a realty info site. 

[Max Rockatansky]

I thought this was a road forum, not a realty info site. 

I'll take the conversation being had here any day over what happened to the Key Bridge thread.

[Great Lakes Roads]

https://aztransportationboard.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2025/05/ITEM-1A-I11_STB.pdf

An update on I-11 progress in Arizona.

[Scott5114]

From the above PDF:


If Arizona were Texas this map would be justification to get an I-11W, I-11CW, I-11CE, and I-11E.

[splashflash]

Will re-evaluation of Tier 1 include selection of routing?

[Plutonic Panda]

A Tucson bypass would be good and would also help potentially alleviate traffic on I-10.

[splashflash]

A Tucson bypass would be good and would also help potentially alleviate traffic on I-10.

Good luck to that.  Any routing south of I-8 will be met with hostility.

[howlincoyote2k1]

I'm still just not convinced that this interstate needs to serve any purpose other than directly connecting Las Vegas and Phoenix.

[Bobby5280]

I'm still just not convinced that this interstate needs to serve any purpose other than directly connecting Las Vegas and Phoenix.

By the time they can start getting anything substantial of I-11 built in Arizona they may end up having to revise those plans -like scaling down the scope of the project to a more basic, direct route between Las Vegas and Phoenix.

The main reason why I-11 is planned to be diverted so far outside of Phoenix is to help real estate developers who want to build big residential subdivisions out West of the White Tank Mountains. A new Interstate going through that area might help boost customer demand for lots of big, expensive new homes. The planners are assuming "if you build it the customers will come." But that may end up not happening.

We currently have a housing price bubble in place that's even bigger than the one 20 years ago that caused the great recession. The American economy is in sketchy shape, thanks in part to new policies affecting trade, tourism, higher education, etc. This week the CEO of a company in the AI industry warned the accelerating development of the technology could lead to many millions of white collar jobs being swiftly eliminated, maybe starting in the next year or two. America is in the early phases of a worsening baby bust; birth rates and marriages are hitting record lows. Job losses via automation and AI could make the fertility downturn even worse. These factors (and others) will create a tough situation in the future for selling big homes way out in the suburbs and exhurbs. The situation may even lead to I-11 just never getting completed due to no funding being available.

[silverback1065]

I'm still just not convinced that this interstate needs to serve any purpose other than directly connecting Las Vegas and Phoenix.

it's just hype to get it to be built at all. realistically it will go from LV to Phoenix only. MAYBE to Reno but that's it. The portion from Reno to Canada is absurd and will never happen. 

[The Ghostbuster]

They should get the segment from the Arizona/Nevada state line to Interstate 40 in Kingman segment constructed first. Then, they should concentrate on getting the Interstate 40 to Interstate 10 segment to complete the Las Vegas-Phoenix Interstate Connection. Anything beyond Interstate 10 will likely be way down the road.

[sprjus4]

They should get the segment from the Arizona/Nevada state line to Interstate 40 in Kingman segment constructed first. Then, they should concentrate on getting the Interstate 40 to Interstate 10 segment to complete the Las Vegas-Phoenix Interstate Connection. Anything beyond Interstate 10 will likely be way down the road.

Given the still remaining 2 lane portions south of I-40, and the non-freeway connection to the Phoenix freeway system further south, I'd say that should be the bigger priority.

US-93 north of I-40 is already a divided highway with no traffic signals, one interchange, and freeway all the way into Las Vegas.

[The Ghostbuster]

They haven't updated Google Maps Satellite View to show construction of the future US 93-to-Interstate 40 semi-directional T interchange. Do any other map apps' Satellite View show construction of it, or is it too soon to post such an update?

[Bobby5280]

The 2-lane sections of US-93 to the NW of Wickenburg are definitely a safety hazard. But those sections of road will require even more funding to bring up to Interstate quality. The segment of I-11 between Kingman and Boulder City will be easier/cheaper to improve. The Kingman Bypass is currently in progress. Once that project is completed (sometime in 2027) it will just be a matter of eliminating some at-grade intersections with either new grade-separated exits or cutting off other side roads with short length frontage roads. Hardly any new ROW will be needed.

Have any plans been finalized for an I-11 bypass alignment around Wikieup (including just building straight thru town)? The Wickenburg area looks like a real mess with the way existing US-93 is configured going thru the area. A bypass on entirely new terrain will be necessary. And that won't be easy to build considering the way Wickenburg is spread out between the ridge lines.

The section of I-11 North of I-40 looks like "low hanging fruit" compared to the segments South of I-40. That makes me think the Kingman-Boulder City segment will get completed first.

They haven't updated Google Maps Satellite View to show construction of the future US 93-to-Interstate 40 semi-directional T interchange. Do any other map apps' Satellite View show construction of it, or is it too soon to post such an update?

Some very early progress is visible on I-40 Street View imagery.

[Anthony_JK]

They should get the segment from the Arizona/Nevada state line to Interstate 40 in Kingman segment constructed first. Then, they should concentrate on getting the Interstate 40 to Interstate 10 segment to complete the Las Vegas-Phoenix Interstate Connection. Anything beyond Interstate 10 will likely be way down the road.

Reno to Phoenix/Gila Bend/Casa Grande via Las Vegas would be more than suitable.

[splashflash]

The 2-lane sections of US-93 to the NW of Wickenburg are definitely a safety hazard. But those sections of road will require even more funding to bring up to Interstate quality. The segment of I-11 between Kingman and Boulder City will be easier/cheaper to improve. The Kingman Bypass is currently in progress. Once that project is completed (sometime in 2027) it will just be a matter of eliminating some at-grade intersections with either new grade-separated exits or cutting off other side roads with short length frontage roads. Hardly any new ROW will be needed.

Have any plans been finalized for an I-11 bypass alignment around Wikieup (including just building straight thru town)? The Wickenburg area looks like a real mess with existing US-93 is configured going thru the area. A bypass on entirely new terrain will be necessary. And that won't be easy to build considering the way Wickenburg is spread out between the ridge lines.

The section of I-11 North of I-40 looks like "low hanging fruit" compared to the segments South of I-40. That makes me think the Kingman-Boulder City segment will get completed first.

They haven't updated Google Maps Satellite View to show construction of the future US 93-to-Interstate 40 semi-directional T interchange. Do any other map apps' Satellite View show construction of it, or is it too soon to post such an update?

Some very early progress is visible on I-40 Street View imagery.

$80M is bring spent starting now at Crane Springs, north of Wikieup.  That hazardous undivided road has had fatalities, so this much needed but costly project is timely.  https://azdot.gov/projects/northwest-district-projects/us-93-cane-springs-improvement-project

The remaining undivided segments near SR-71 likely remain because finalization of the routing to the south near Vista Royale is contentious.  Proximity to the community versus cost.

[Joseph R P]

They haven't updated Google Maps Satellite View to show construction of the future US 93-to-Interstate 40 semi-directional T interchange. Do any other map apps' Satellite View show construction of it, or is it too soon to post such an update?

Looking at the very low-res imagery on the Sentinel Hub EO Browser from May 28, the current state of construction appears to be a graded ROW for the new roadway and that Fort Beale Drive has been temporarily slightly realigned.

[ElishaGOtis]

I'm still just not convinced that this interstate needs to serve any purpose other than directly connecting Las Vegas and Phoenix.

By the time they can start getting anything substantial of I-11 built in Arizona they may end up having to revise those plans -like scaling down the scope of the project to a more basic, direct route between Las Vegas and Phoenix.

The main reason why I-11 is planned to be diverted so far outside of Phoenix is to help real estate developers who want to build big residential subdivisions out West of the White Tank Mountains. A new Interstate going through that area might help boost customer demand for lots of big, expensive new homes. The planners are assuming "if you build it the customers will come." But that may end up not happening.

We currently have a housing price bubble in place that's even bigger than the one 20 years ago that caused the great recession. The American economy is in sketchy shape, thanks in part to new policies affecting trade, tourism, higher education, etc. This week the CEO of a company in the AI industry warned the accelerating development of the technology could lead to many millions of white collar jobs being swiftly eliminated, maybe starting in the next year or two. America is in the early phases of a worsening baby bust; birth rates and marriages are hitting record lows. Job losses via automation and AI could make the fertility downturn even worse. These factors (and others) will create a tough situation in the future for selling big homes way out in the suburbs and exhurbs. The situation may even lead to I-11 just never getting completed due to no funding being available.

Wasn't Bill Gates planning some massive development centered along the planned I-11 at I-10 at one point?