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Beltway

Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 23, 2026, 04:20:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2026, 09:05:49 PMI would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.
Looks like the Buck Rd. overpass (approx. MP 348.2) is scheduled for replacement over the next few years. Maybe the new bridge will accommodate an eight-lane Turnpike, but we shall see...
I do remember seeing documentation years ago, I believe from Montgomery County, that envisioned an 8-lane Turnpike from Fort Washington to Bensalem, and ten lanes from Mid-County to Fort Washington, along with new and/or improved interchanges.
That whole 1988 Six Lane Widening Project (Plymouth Meeting to US-1) is now over 100,000 AADT. Eight lane territory. Given the wide interchange spacing (6, 4, 8) I can see the need for 2 or 3 new ones.

None of this is on the Pennsylvania Turnpike Statewide Total Reconstruction Initiative map of Dec. 2025.
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Dough4872

Quote from: Beltway on April 23, 2026, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 23, 2026, 04:20:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2026, 09:05:49 PMI would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.
Looks like the Buck Rd. overpass (approx. MP 348.2) is scheduled for replacement over the next few years. Maybe the new bridge will accommodate an eight-lane Turnpike, but we shall see...
I do remember seeing documentation years ago, I believe from Montgomery County, that envisioned an 8-lane Turnpike from Fort Washington to Bensalem, and ten lanes from Mid-County to Fort Washington, along with new and/or improved interchanges.
That whole 1988 Six Lane Widening Project (Plymouth Meeting to US-1) is now over 100,000 AADT. Eight lane territory. Given the wide interchange spacing (6, 4, 8) I can see the need for 2 or 3 new ones.

None of this is on the Pennsylvania Turnpike Statewide Total Reconstruction Initiative map of Dec. 2025.

Yeah I don't think there are any plans to widen any portion of the Pennsylvania Turnpike to eight lanes, I think the focus is to widen the whole road to six lanes. Even in the Philadelphia area, six lanes is generally enough except during rush hour and sometimes on weekends.

MASTERNC

Quote from: Dough4872 on April 23, 2026, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 23, 2026, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on April 23, 2026, 04:20:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on April 19, 2026, 09:05:49 PMI would have hoped that eventually they would replace those bridges with ones with modern span lengths. It has been 3/8 of a century and they have not done so.
Looks like the Buck Rd. overpass (approx. MP 348.2) is scheduled for replacement over the next few years. Maybe the new bridge will accommodate an eight-lane Turnpike, but we shall see...
I do remember seeing documentation years ago, I believe from Montgomery County, that envisioned an 8-lane Turnpike from Fort Washington to Bensalem, and ten lanes from Mid-County to Fort Washington, along with new and/or improved interchanges.
That whole 1988 Six Lane Widening Project (Plymouth Meeting to US-1) is now over 100,000 AADT. Eight lane territory. Given the wide interchange spacing (6, 4, 8) I can see the need for 2 or 3 new ones.

None of this is on the Pennsylvania Turnpike Statewide Total Reconstruction Initiative map of Dec. 2025.

Yeah I don't think there are any plans to widen any portion of the Pennsylvania Turnpike to eight lanes, I think the focus is to widen the whole road to six lanes. Even in the Philadelphia area, six lanes is generally enough except during rush hour and sometimes on weekends.

The only section that needs eight lanes is Mid-County to Ft. Washington, especially EB.  The merge from I-476 is a major choke point on weekdays, especially because of the short acceleration lane.  There are WB backups from Willow Grove to Ft. Washington but they seem to be milder.

Beltway

Quote from: MASTERNC on April 24, 2026, 08:41:50 AM
Quote from: Dough4872 on April 23, 2026, 11:10:21 PMYeah I don't think there are any plans to widen any portion of the Pennsylvania Turnpike to eight lanes, I think the focus is to widen the whole road to six lanes. Even in the Philadelphia area, six lanes is generally enough except during rush hour and sometimes on weekends.
The only section that needs eight lanes is Mid-County to Ft. Washington, especially EB.  The merge from I-476 is a major choke point on weekdays, especially because of the short acceleration lane.  There are WB backups from Willow Grove to Ft. Washington but they seem to be milder.
Priority will be on extending the 6-lane rebuild to Morgantown and Allentown, though. Those projects are in design and some under construction per the Pennsylvania Turnpike Statewide Total Reconstruction Initiative map of Dec. 2025.
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wildcat7176

They do currently have new interchange plans in that area, I believe they are calling for a new connection to Norristown with Ridge Pike/Lafayette Street, an interchange with PA 63 near Willow Grove, completing the missing movements at Virginia Drive, and then adding new entrance and exit ramps at Valley Forge to connect to 1st Ave in King of Prussia (though I, like others, believe they should redo that interchange so that people going from 76 west to the turnpike west do not have to do a 20mph loop turn).

The stretch as a whole from roughly Valley Forge to the NJ state line really has transformed into a commuter highway.

Crown Victoria

Here are the documents I found regarding Montgomery County's vision for revitalizing the Turnpike corridor...

Full document: https://www.montgomerycountypa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/7887/Turnpike-Corridor-ReInvestment-Project_County_web_05_15_2015?bidId=

Turnpike-specific info: https://www.montgomerycountypa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/8780/Turnpike-Corridor-Vision-04_30_2015?bidId=

This is all from eleven years ago. The only progress so far, Turnpike-wise, has been AET and the upcoming Lafayette Street interchange.

Beltway

Quote from: Crown Victoria on May 03, 2026, 06:39:57 AMHere are the documents I found regarding Montgomery County's vision for revitalizing the Turnpike corridor...
Full document: https://www.montgomerycountypa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/7887/Turnpike-Corridor-ReInvestment-Project_County_web_05_15_2015?bidId=
Turnpike-specific info: https://www.montgomerycountypa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/8780/Turnpike-Corridor-Vision-04_30_2015?bidId=
This is all from eleven years ago. The only progress so far, Turnpike-wise, has been AET and the upcoming Lafayette Street interchange.
Possibly 3 new local interchanges. I was saying that back in the 1970s.
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ARMOURERERIC

PTC adopted their 2027, 10 year capital improvement budget yesterday.  There is a link, but only past plans come up right now.

wildcat7176

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on May 07, 2026, 08:00:35 PMPTC adopted their 2027, 10 year capital improvement budget yesterday.  There is a link, but only past plans come up right now.
They reference the I-95 interchange area, and that makes me wonder, I guess the Delaware River Bridge replacement will push the construction of additional ramps to and from 95 back a few more years, if that is even still in the plans at all.

Beltway

Quote from: wildcat7176 on May 08, 2026, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on May 07, 2026, 08:00:35 PMPTC adopted their 2027, 10 year capital improvement budget yesterday.  There is a link, but only past plans come up right now.
They reference the I-95 interchange area, and that makes me wonder, I guess the Delaware River Bridge replacement will push the construction of additional ramps to and from 95 back a few more years, if that is even still in the plans at all.
The project website says that bridge is in preliminary engineering, and the six new ramps segment is future design.

https://www.paturnpike.com/traveling/construction/site/i-95-interchange-project
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The Ghostbuster

I'm glad they are eventually going to design and construct the remaining six bridges for the Interstate 95/276/295 interchange.

Beltway

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 08, 2026, 11:20:19 AMI'm glad they are eventually going to design and construct the remaining six bridges for the Interstate 95/276/295 interchange.
People in the area told me that all four quadrants will definitely be useful.
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MASTERNC

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on May 07, 2026, 08:00:35 PMPTC adopted their 2027, 10 year capital improvement budget yesterday.  There is a link, but only past plans come up right now.

Plan has been uploaded

https://files.paturnpike.com/production/docs/default-source/resources/investor-relations/capital-plan/fy27-capital-plan.pdf?sfvrsn=7713414e_4

Gnutella

Glad to see some attention being paid to MM38-MM40. It's the last remaining four-lane segment north of Pittsburgh.

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MASTERNC

Well the Turnpike might have a case for the Allegheny Tunnel bypass.  Traffic is still two-way in the tunnel and eastbound is backed all the way to the 219 overpass, which is about 8 miles.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/vehicle-fire-allegheny-tunnel-causes-closure-both-directions-pa-turnpike/53QNQTBIENEV3LWDPVQFA4ANKU/

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Mr. Matté

Do the current Turnpike tunnels have modern escape passages like the European tunnels (constructed in blood / ashes after the Mont Blanc fire in 1999?

wildcat7176

Quote from: Mr. Matté on June 05, 2026, 06:30:04 PMDo the current Turnpike tunnels have modern escape passages like the European tunnels (constructed in blood / ashes after the Mont Blanc fire in 1999?
Can't speak for the mainline, but I know the Lehigh Tunnel on the NE Extension does (both for the old northbound part and the newer southbound part). When you enter the tunnel in either direction you can actually see windows about one story above the roadway, and I was always fascinated about what exactly is inside the tunnel, if it's some sort of big communications center or something for the PTC.

MASTERNC

Quote from: Mr. Matté on June 05, 2026, 06:30:04 PMDo the current Turnpike tunnels have modern escape passages like the European tunnels (constructed in blood / ashes after the Mont Blanc fire in 1999?

There is escape signage in the Tuscarora Tunnel post renovation

ixnay

Quote from: wildcat7176 on June 05, 2026, 11:05:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on June 05, 2026, 06:30:04 PM[T]he Lehigh Tunnel on the NE Extension does (both for the old northbound part and the newer southbound part). When you enter the tunnel in either direction you can actually see windows about one story above the roadway, and I was always fascinated about what exactly is inside the tunnel, if it's some sort of big communications center or something for the PTC.

And looming over those windows looks like the original LEHIGH TUNNEL lettering from the single tube days.

Similar windows loom over the west portals of the Fort Pitt Tunnels, so apparently it's not strictly a PTC thing.