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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 21, 2026, 07:36:12 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 04, 2026, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 03, 2026, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 03, 2026, 11:07:29 AM@Mapmikey @froggie There is a new VA 411 that appears to have just been added last month. It's the entrance road to Rappahannock Community College in Warsaw. I doubt it's posted since it's so new (the ArcGIS map says the status was changed on 5/20/26, and the LRS Route Master map from April shows it as an unnumbered road).

On another note, US 60 now appears to terminate at the beginning of the Atlantic Avenue loop on the Virginia Beach oceanfront. The loop itself no longer appears to be part of US 60.

I'm looking at this on my phone, but VA 411 appears to be only 99 meters long...

Another reminder of my perpetual annoyance with the CTB for no longer putting additions in the monthly minutes.


Yeah. It's reeeeeeally short. I don't know what the point of it is if the rest of Campus Drive (some of which is SR 1004 and SR 1036) isn't also part of it, seeing as the whole thing is maintained by VDOT.

I drove over to Warsaw to check this out this morning, and there is a 411 rectangle, but no shields.

That rectangle went up real fast. VA 410 isn't even posted yet.
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Takumi

The discovery of VA 411 makes me wonder a couple things:

1. With 409, 410, and now 411 being added in the last 15 years, is there an as-yet-undiscovered 408 out there?

2. Is the VDOT CTB adding these routes, or is it the General Assembly? As I understood it, the CTB required secondary route upgrades to have an AADT of 10,000 vehicles to be eligible for an upgrade to primary routing. 410 and 411 were pre-existing roads when they became primary.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:10:30 PMThe discovery of VA 411 makes me wonder a couple things:

1. With 409, 410, and now 411 being added in the last 15 years, is there an as-yet-undiscovered 408 out there?

2. Is the VDOT CTB adding these routes, or is it the General Assembly? As I understood it, the CTB required secondary route upgrades to have an AADT of 10,000 vehicles to be eligible for an upgrade to primary routing. 410 and 411 were pre-existing roads when they became primary.

As far as I can tell there hasn't been a new 408 designated anywhere.

409, 410, and 411 appear to be institutional routes, which are primary but exempt from the normal criteria for upgrading to primary status. I find it interesting that we're jumping out to 4xx numbers for this when there are decommissioned 3xx numbers available (317, 357, etc), plus surrounding 4xx numbers are NOT institutional (407, 412, etc).

I can only assume the CTB is designating them but those decisions don't appear to be public, the last time an upgrade to primary status was mentioned in the CTB minutes was when some streets got added to VA 318.
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Takumi

#7778
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 22, 2026, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:10:30 PMThe discovery of VA 411 makes me wonder a couple things:

1. With 409, 410, and now 411 being added in the last 15 years, is there an as-yet-undiscovered 408 out there?

2. Is the VDOT CTB adding these routes, or is it the General Assembly? As I understood it, the CTB required secondary route upgrades to have an AADT of 10,000 vehicles to be eligible for an upgrade to primary routing. 410 and 411 were pre-existing roads when they became primary.

As far as I can tell there hasn't been a new 408 designated anywhere.

409, 410, and 411 appear to be institutional routes, which are primary but exempt from the normal criteria for upgrading to primary status. I find it interesting that we're jumping out to 4xx numbers for this when there are decommissioned 3xx numbers available (317, 357, etc), plus surrounding 4xx numbers are NOT institutional (407, 412, etc).

I can only assume the CTB is designating them but those decisions don't appear to be public, the last time an upgrade to primary status was mentioned in the CTB minutes was when some streets got added to VA 318.

It's a bit odd that they've become secretive about it. I'd like to know the process, like are the institutions themselves requesting the routing, is the jurisdiction they're in, or is the CTB just handing out designations as they see fit.

One road I've checked a couple times on the map is the road to the new Hayfields State Park in Highland County, but it appears to be a private road not in the state highway system at all. Maybe that'll change.

Also, of course, there are a few non-facility 3xx routes, most prominently 337.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AMOlive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

WillWeaverRVA

I went ahead and sent VDOT an information request about it, though I think the system is a bit messed up because it thinks I asked about VA 203 for some reason.
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Mapmikey

Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:57:17 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 22, 2026, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:10:30 PMThe discovery of VA 411 makes me wonder a couple things:

1. With 409, 410, and now 411 being added in the last 15 years, is there an as-yet-undiscovered 408 out there?

2. Is the VDOT CTB adding these routes, or is it the General Assembly? As I understood it, the CTB required secondary route upgrades to have an AADT of 10,000 vehicles to be eligible for an upgrade to primary routing. 410 and 411 were pre-existing roads when they became primary.

As far as I can tell there hasn't been a new 408 designated anywhere.

409, 410, and 411 appear to be institutional routes, which are primary but exempt from the normal criteria for upgrading to primary status. I find it interesting that we're jumping out to 4xx numbers for this when there are decommissioned 3xx numbers available (317, 357, etc), plus surrounding 4xx numbers are NOT institutional (407, 412, etc).

I can only assume the CTB is designating them but those decisions don't appear to be public, the last time an upgrade to primary status was mentioned in the CTB minutes was when some streets got added to VA 318.

It's a bit odd that they've become secretive about it. I'd like to know the process, like are the institutions themselves requesting the routing, is the jurisdiction they're in, or is the CTB just handing out designations as they see fit.

One road I've checked a couple times on the map is the road to the new Hayfields State Park in Highland County, but it appears to be a private road not in the state highway system at all. Maybe that'll change.

Also, of course, there are a few non-facility 3xx routes, most prominently 337.

The reason there are 3xx routes that are not state institution routes is that route numbers were originally assigned in the order they were created regardless of type of state highway. Mileage for about 15 or so facilities were taken into the system in 1932 but numbers weren't assigned until the late 1930s. By then VA 300 had already been assigned as a normal route. Apparently 302 (UVA) and 303 (VMI) got assigned earlier than the rest because the next facility route number assigned was 313.

Takumi

#7781
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 23, 2026, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:57:17 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 22, 2026, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:10:30 PMThe discovery of VA 411 makes me wonder a couple things:

1. With 409, 410, and now 411 being added in the last 15 years, is there an as-yet-undiscovered 408 out there?

2. Is the VDOT CTB adding these routes, or is it the General Assembly? As I understood it, the CTB required secondary route upgrades to have an AADT of 10,000 vehicles to be eligible for an upgrade to primary routing. 410 and 411 were pre-existing roads when they became primary.

As far as I can tell there hasn't been a new 408 designated anywhere.

409, 410, and 411 appear to be institutional routes, which are primary but exempt from the normal criteria for upgrading to primary status. I find it interesting that we're jumping out to 4xx numbers for this when there are decommissioned 3xx numbers available (317, 357, etc), plus surrounding 4xx numbers are NOT institutional (407, 412, etc).

I can only assume the CTB is designating them but those decisions don't appear to be public, the last time an upgrade to primary status was mentioned in the CTB minutes was when some streets got added to VA 318.

It's a bit odd that they've become secretive about it. I'd like to know the process, like are the institutions themselves requesting the routing, is the jurisdiction they're in, or is the CTB just handing out designations as they see fit.

One road I've checked a couple times on the map is the road to the new Hayfields State Park in Highland County, but it appears to be a private road not in the state highway system at all. Maybe that'll change.

Also, of course, there are a few non-facility 3xx routes, most prominently 337.

The reason there are 3xx routes that are not state institution routes is that route numbers were originally assigned in the order they were created regardless of type of state highway. Mileage for about 15 or so facilities were taken into the system in 1932 but numbers weren't assigned until the late 1930s. By then VA 300 had already been assigned as a normal route. Apparently 302 (UVA) and 303 (VMI) got assigned earlier than the rest because the next facility route number assigned was 313.

I guess my question is why they gave a number to this particular facility instead of somewhere like Holliday Lake State Park, whose entrance road has several postings to reach VA 24.

Also, I know VA 300 and 300Y aren't true facility routes, but they also kind of are since they pass right by the courthouse in Powhatan, similar to VA 349 in Halifax.
Quote from: Rothman on July 15, 2021, 07:52:59 AMOlive Garden must be stopped.  I must stop them.

Don't @ me. Seriously.

Dirt Roads

Quote from: Takumi on June 24, 2026, 01:14:33 PMAlso, I know VA 300 and 300Y aren't true facility routes, but they also kind of are since they pass right by the courthouse in Powhatan, similar to VA 349 in Halifax.

Indeed, VA-300 was created to specifically connect the new routing of US-60 back to Powhatan Courthouse, not recognizing that real people would still utilize the old routing of US-60 (remembered as VA-13) from both directions because it seemed shorter that taking the new road.  Most of the old-timers in Powhatan still use VA-13 to get to the courthouse in both directions, whereas your GPS is going to take you onto VA-300 if you are coming from Flat Rock or Midlothian.

So what seemed like proper engineering/architecture back in 1935 (and still today), that the design to route someone faster to get to your backdoor doesn't make sense to the masses when the old road is perceived as the shorter way to get your front door.  (I didn't do the math, but I think VA-300 is a bit shorter at least westbound).

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Takumi on June 24, 2026, 01:14:33 PMAlso, I know VA 300 and 300Y aren't true facility routes, but they also kind of are since they pass right by the courthouse in Powhatan, similar to VA 349 in Halifax.

Of course, 300Y doesn't actually connect to anything, kind of like VA 165Y (which for some reason still exists).
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Beltway

VDOT Hampton Roads District
Virginia Department of Transportation
VDOT is scheduled to open the new eastbound flyover ramp on Route 58, as early as 8 p.m. tonight. The new ramp will provide eastbound traffic with safer, more direct access to the SPSA Regional Landfill on Bob Foeller Drive.
This marks the largest milestone for the SPSA Interchange Improvements Project, designed to enhance safety and reducing traffic conflicts along this busy corridor.
Remaining work includes completing the permanent median closure, drainage upgrades, and final stabilization as the project moves toward completion in fall 2026.
. . . . .

With the ensuant closure of other at-grade points, this will convert 2.5 miles of US-58 to full freeway standards. That leaves 1.7 miles near the airport that is still expressway and needs to be upgraded with an interchange at the airport.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Beltway on June 29, 2026, 05:56:06 PMVDOT Hampton Roads District
Virginia Department of Transportation
VDOT is scheduled to open the new eastbound flyover ramp on Route 58, as early as 8 p.m. tonight. The new ramp will provide eastbound traffic with safer, more direct access to the SPSA Regional Landfill on Bob Foeller Drive.
This marks the largest milestone for the SPSA Interchange Improvements Project, designed to enhance safety and reducing traffic conflicts along this busy corridor.
Remaining work includes completing the permanent median closure, drainage upgrades, and final stabilization as the project moves toward completion in fall 2026.
. . . . .

With the ensuant closure of other at-grade points, this will convert 2.5 miles of US-58 to full freeway standards. That leaves 1.7 miles near the airport that is still expressway and needs to be upgraded with an interchange at the airport.

It is kind of odd to see a flyover ramp built for the sole purpose of serving a landfill, but there have been some pretty gnarly accidents there involving garbage trucks trying to access it.
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sprjus4

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 30, 2026, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: Beltway on June 29, 2026, 05:56:06 PMVDOT Hampton Roads District
Virginia Department of Transportation
VDOT is scheduled to open the new eastbound flyover ramp on Route 58, as early as 8 p.m. tonight. The new ramp will provide eastbound traffic with safer, more direct access to the SPSA Regional Landfill on Bob Foeller Drive.
This marks the largest milestone for the SPSA Interchange Improvements Project, designed to enhance safety and reducing traffic conflicts along this busy corridor.
Remaining work includes completing the permanent median closure, drainage upgrades, and final stabilization as the project moves toward completion in fall 2026.
. . . . .

With the ensuant closure of other at-grade points, this will convert 2.5 miles of US-58 to full freeway standards. That leaves 1.7 miles near the airport that is still expressway and needs to be upgraded with an interchange at the airport.

It is kind of odd to see a flyover ramp built for the sole purpose of serving a landfill, but there have been some pretty gnarly accidents there involving garbage trucks trying to access it.
It would've been better to see a full interchange, or simply a new access point onto Nansemond Parkway.

Indirectly, this also serves as the missing movement from US-58 Business East to US-58 West, but is not its main purpose.

But certainly it will eliminate those nasty accidents that snarl traffic for hours.

Beltway

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 30, 2026, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: Beltway on June 29, 2026, 05:56:06 PMVDOT is scheduled to open the new eastbound flyover ramp on Route 58, as early as 8 p.m. tonight. The new ramp will provide eastbound traffic with safer, more direct access to the SPSA Regional Landfill on Bob Foeller Drive.
It is kind of odd to see a flyover ramp built for the sole purpose of serving a landfill, but there have been some pretty gnarly accidents there involving garbage trucks trying to access it.
The Dismal Swamp is on both sides of the highway. This may be the least impacting way to build this. The beginning of the ramp is close enough to the roadway that a retaining wall was built.
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74/171FAN

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 22, 2026, 10:56:21 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 21, 2026, 07:36:12 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 04, 2026, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 03, 2026, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 03, 2026, 11:07:29 AM@Mapmikey @froggie There is a new VA 411 that appears to have just been added last month. It's the entrance road to Rappahannock Community College in Warsaw. I doubt it's posted since it's so new (the ArcGIS map says the status was changed on 5/20/26, and the LRS Route Master map from April shows it as an unnumbered road).

On another note, US 60 now appears to terminate at the beginning of the Atlantic Avenue loop on the Virginia Beach oceanfront. The loop itself no longer appears to be part of US 60.

I'm looking at this on my phone, but VA 411 appears to be only 99 meters long...

Another reminder of my perpetual annoyance with the CTB for no longer putting additions in the monthly minutes.


Yeah. It's reeeeeeally short. I don't know what the point of it is if the rest of Campus Drive (some of which is SR 1004 and SR 1036) isn't also part of it, seeing as the whole thing is maintained by VDOT.

I drove over to Warsaw to check this out this morning, and there is a 411 rectangle, but no shields.

That rectangle went up real fast. VA 410 isn't even posted yet.

My photo of the 411 rectangle from 6/21/2026.

US 360 EAST AT VA 411 (6) by Mark Moore, on Flickr
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WillWeaverRVA

#7789
Quote from: Takumi on June 22, 2026, 06:57:17 PMIt's a bit odd that they've become secretive about it. I'd like to know the process, like are the institutions themselves requesting the routing, is the jurisdiction they're in, or is the CTB just handing out designations as they see fit.

So I got a call back from an engineer up in Warsaw and he was very helpful. Apparently state highway system changes are documented in an internal document circulated by the Office of Land Use to VDOT. Unfortunately, this isn't a public document, but the Virginia Roads ArcGIS portal is updated monthly. VA 411 in particular was added in May 2026.  ( @Mapmikey might be interested to know this too )

He did say if he finds out any additional info or some way to publicly see those documents, he'd let me know.
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WillWeaverRVA

#7790
And as it turns out, since the info can be FOIA'd, he actually sent me all of the documents sent so far in 2026!

VA 411 was officially added on 3/27/26 with a distance of 0.05 miles. Yeah.

Also, VA 347 was realigned slightly in February 2026 between Cliff Rd and Log Cabin Rd (SR 686).
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hwyfan

Up until 2022, there was an emergency signal operational on US 17 just west of the James River Bridge near Carrollton.  It has since been removed.

I wondered about it as there were not any cross street signals here nor any emergency services facilities (such as a fire station or medical center) in the vicinity.  It seems like an unusual place to have sited such a signal. 


https://maps.app.goo.gl/37EoDJzgRmNtQdZz9

74/171FAN

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 07, 2026, 11:24:43 AMAlso, VA 347 was realigned slightly in February 2026 between Cliff Rd and Log Cabin Rd (SR 686).

Historic Aerials indicates the realignment actually occurred between 2018 and 2021 (I clinched it in December 2021) so I guess it was just not officially filed yet.
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 09, 2026, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on July 07, 2026, 11:24:43 AMAlso, VA 347 was realigned slightly in February 2026 between Cliff Rd and Log Cabin Rd (SR 686).

Historic Aerials indicates the realignment actually occurred between 2018 and 2021 (I clinched it in December 2021) so I guess it was just not officially filed yet.

That makes sense. The CTB doesn't always approve things right away (case in point, US 460 Business in Grundy existed and was posted as such loooooong before it was made official by the CTB and by AASHTO - it was built in 2014 but not approved until 2026).
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sprjus4

Richmond/Hampton Roads Traffic Alert: Variable speed limit signs throughout all segments of the I-64 gap projects by late July
QuoteRICHMOND – The Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT), in coordination with its contractors, will implement temporary variable speed limit (VSL) signs with the capability to display varying speed limits on I-64 between mile marker 215.6 just east of the New Kent Courthouse/Providence Forge exit and mile marker 233.3, just west of Route 199/Lightfoot (exit 234), as part of the Segment B widening project in New Kent County and Segment C widening project in James City County. VSL systems were deployed in Segment A during fall 2024.

Starting as early as July 20, the entire corridor of I-64 Gap widening projects will have VSL systems activated in both directions. The VSL signs will replace static speed limit signs. Until construction is complete, speed limits will be reduced to 60 mph when workers are present in the work zone and returned to the current 70 mph speed limit when workers are not present in the respective project limits.   

Variable speed limits posted on the signs are enforceable, just as with any other posted speed limit signs.

Inevitably, speed cameras will probably soon follow. They are already deployed in Segment A by New Kent County. Segment B crosses through New Kent County as well, and Segment C in James City County.

Segment A and C are on track to be completed by the end of 2027, with Segment B in between tracking for a mid-2029 completion. The three projects are widening the remaining 29 miles of I-64 between Williamsburg and Richmond to six lanes.

Thing 342

I believe New Kent and James City County have previously announced that speed cameras are going up along Segments B and C soon: https://www.dailypress.com/2026/07/02/new-kent-speed-camera-money-for-tax-rebates

Rothman

Quote from: Thing 342 on July 13, 2026, 08:49:45 PMI believe New Kent and James City County have previously announced that speed cameras are going up along Segments B and C soon: https://www.dailypress.com/2026/07/02/new-kent-speed-camera-money-for-tax-rebates

Looks like they're only in work zones, right?
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Thing 342

The entire 29-mile stretch of highway is currently considered an active work zone. Under state law, workers need not be present for the cameras to be active.

Beltway

#7798
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 13, 2026, 04:14:17 PMInevitably, speed cameras will probably soon follow. They are already deployed in Segment A by New Kent County. Segment B crosses through New Kent County as well, and Segment C in James City County.
Personally, since this is a different district, that if cameras are not mentioned, they are not planned. We shall see.

Quote from: sprjus4 on July 13, 2026, 04:14:17 PMSegment A and C are on track to be completed by the end of 2027, with Segment B in between tracking for a mid-2029 completion. The three projects are widening the remaining 29 miles of I-64 between Williamsburg and Richmond to six lanes.
Segment B was awarded in 2025

Contract Exec.    Contract Compl.
A 9/21/2023    7/30/2027
B 1/16/2025    5/25/2029
C 11/7/2023    11/19/2027

There is much more roadside work than I imagined. Lavish use of sound barriers, installation of storm water management basins. You can see it underway on sections where traffic has been moved to the center and left lanes of the designed project.
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sprjus4

Quote from: Thing 342 on July 13, 2026, 09:14:31 PMThe entire 29-mile stretch of highway is currently considered an active work zone. Under state law, workers need not be present for the cameras to be active.
QuoteHowever, no person shall be liable for a monetary civil penalty pursuant to this subsection for any violation in a highway work zone unless workers are present at the time of such violation.
Workers are required to be present as of July 1, 2026. Previously, they were not.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter8/section46.2-882.1/