AASHTO Oct. 2010

[rickmastfan67]

http://www.transportation.org/sites/route/docs/10-29-2010%20USRN%20Minutes%20Biloxi,%20MS.pdf

Some of the shockers:
I-85 Western Extension to I-20 approved (pending FHWA approval letter).
I-685 in AL.  Will take over part of old I-85 in Montgomery (pending FHWA approval letter).
I-840 NC approval (pending FHWA approval letter), so it might be posted as real interstate and no longer as a Future one (maybe they'll also post I-73 as a real Interstate along I-840 since they already have approval for it).

If you want to see maps of the changes, you need to download this file also.  That's the only place they have links to the PDF's w/ maps.

[Quillz]

Can AASHTO ever renumber I-99 to an x80 3di and thus save 99 for when it might be needed on the East Coast?

[rickmastfan67]

Can AASHTO ever renumber I-99 to an x80 3di and thus save 99 for when it might be needed on the East Coast?

Only an act of congress can change that number.

[agentsteel53]

Only an act of congress can change that number.

or AASHO telling PennDOT "go sign it I-780; we're the ones in charge of disbursing the federal funds anyway"

congress can suck it.  meet the new idiots: same as the old idiots.

[NE2]

Can AASHTO ever renumber I-99 to an x80 3di and thus save 99 for when it might be needed on the East Coast?

Swap it with 73. It's not like 73 will ever extend west of I-81.

[corco]

Since Schuster is out of office, I'm fairly sure a quick, unanimous resolution could be passed if brought forward by a Pennsylvania representative vetoing that number. Of course, convincing a Penna rep to spend time doing that would be a pain

[NE2]

Here are the links in that document:
AL FHWA Administrator Letter - to review interstat...
USRN_Electronic Application Form Future I-85 _2_.p...
AL FHWA Administrator Letter - to review interstat...
USRN_Electronic Application Form I-685.pdf
USBRS Application_Alaska Sept 2010 Signed.pdf
USBRS Map_Alaska Sept 2010.pdf
Full US93AASHTOapp-AZDirLtr.pdf
Georgia U.S 19 relocation.pdf
US24 Indiana.pdf
US 40 Indiana.pdf
US20 Application Form.pdf
US30 Application Form.pdf
US30Bus Application.pdf
AASHTO application US60A Jefferson.pdf
AASHTO application US 68 Marion Boyle.pdf
AASHTO Application US 150 Washington County.pdf
AASHTO Application US 150 Bus Washington County.pd...
LA Application letter US84.pdf
US 84 Rt Desc.pdf
LA Application letter US84BUS.pdf
LA Application letter US 171.pdf
AASHTO Missouri Submittal LetterUS50 Jackson Co.pd...
AASHTO Missouri Submittal LetterUS50 Moniteau&Cole...
AASHTO - Recognition of BUS 50 - Moniteau Co. - FI...
AASHTO - US 50 Relocation - Osage Co. - FINAL.pdf
AASHTO Route 63 Final.pdf
AASHTO Map - Bus Rt. 63.pdf
USRN_Electronic Application Form_Aug 2009.pdf
US93 - AASHTO APPLICATION.pdf
NC Guilford Co application I-840.pdf
Letter to AASHTO.pdf
Letter to AASHTO.pdf
NC Guilford Co.pdf
US20 Oregon-Eddyville app.pdf
US 190.PDF
US 380.pdf
img-923112611-0001.pdf
2010 USBRS Application _USBR 1 in Occoquan_.pdf

[njroadhorse]

Does this mean that soon work on 85 will begin, or just that it is authorized to happen?

[Alex]

Thanks for digging up all of the links and for the overall thread, I always look forward to seeing what petitions are submitted at each meeting.

[NE2]

Does this mean that soon work on 85 will begin, or just that it is authorized to happen?

http://www.i85extension.com/
The authorization is for signing it as I-85.

[froggie]

or AASHO telling PennDOT "go sign it I-780; we're the ones in charge of disbursing the federal funds anyway"

That would be FHWA, not AASHTO.

Does this mean that soon work on 85 will begin, or just that it is authorized to happen?

Just that it's authorized.  ALDOT doesn't have the money to begin work, and they're banking on the next transportation bill to direct money to the project.  If the Republicans managed to take back control of the Senate yesterday, count on Sen. Sessions and especially Sen. Shelby to "bring home the bacon".

[SEWIGuy]

Can AASHTO ever renumber I-99 to an x80 3di and thus save 99 for when it might be needed on the East Coast?

Only an act of congress can change that number.

Right...and frankly not many people really care all that much about the numbering system anyway.  It's over and done.  Resigning it would just be a waste of money.

[agentsteel53]

or AASHO telling PennDOT "go sign it I-780; we're the ones in charge of disbursing the federal funds anyway"

That would be FHWA, not AASHTO.

wait, why is AASHO in charge of coming up with route numbers, and FHWA in charge of enforcing them?  Sounds like a system of checks and balances that is frankly unnecessary.  mmm... bureaucracy.

[mightyace]

If the Republicans managed to take back control of the Senate yesterday, count on Sen. Sessions and especially Sen. Shelby to "bring home the bacon".

Well, it won't happen that way.

Of course, since pork barrel spending is a party agnostic activity, it might still come up if Sessions' or Sheby's votes are needed on some bill or other.

[Mr_Northside]

Since Schuster is out of office, I'm fairly sure a quick, unanimous resolution could be passed if brought forward by a Pennsylvania representative vetoing that number. Of course, convincing a Penna rep to spend time doing that would be a pain

I doubt that.  Even if any representative cared enough to bring it up, why would any one in a I-99 (or future I-99) area vote in favor of reunumbering. 
I'll admit I don't know any of them personally (and the election has probably shaken it up a bit anyway), but I doubt any of them are "road-geek" enough to care at all about I-99's out-of-place nature.  And, conversely, would not want to remove any benefit (real or simply perceived) from the designation.  Also, I think New York state is now expecting to have a "piece" of I-99 too (once they get US-15 finished)

[oscar]

Since Schuster is out of office, I'm fairly sure a quick, unanimous resolution could be passed if brought forward by a Pennsylvania representative vetoing that number. Of course, convincing a Penna rep to spend time doing that would be a pain

Bud Shuster, who dreamed up the number, is out of office.  But his son, Bill Shuster, is now represeenting that Pennsylvania district in Congress, and indeed was easily reelected yesterday.  Like his father before him, he's a member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which has jurisdiction over highway bills.  He's also in the House Republican leadership.

So I don't think so.

[SEWIGuy]

wait, why is AASHO in charge of coming up with route numbers, and FHWA in charge of enforcing them?  Sounds like a system of checks and balances that is frankly unnecessary.  mmm... bureaucracy.

AASHTO is not a federal government agency.  It is an independent organization of state highway and transportation officials.

[froggie]

wait, why is AASHO in charge of coming up with route numbers, and FHWA in charge of enforcing them?  Sounds like a system of checks and balances that is frankly unnecessary.  mmm... bureaucracy.

You specifically referenced Federal funds in your previous post.  FHWA distributes those, not AASHTO.  And it's not AASHTO (or FHWA for that matter) that comes up with route numbers.  The respective states come up with the route numbers, then go to AASHTO (and FHWA too in the case of Interstates) for approval.

[agentsteel53]

in that case FHWA needs to say "we'll pay for I-780 shields but not 99", like they told Florida that they would not contribute to colored US route markers a few years ago.

then the route can be legislatively 99 and signed 780.

(what? it's worked brilliantly in California since the 30s!  hey, stop laughing!)

[Duke87]

Okay, with this extension, I-85 really has no business having an odd number.

[PAHighways]

Since Schuster is out of office, I'm fairly sure a quick, unanimous resolution could be passed if brought forward by a Pennsylvania representative vetoing that number. Of course, convincing a Penna rep to spend time doing that would be a pain

It would be an exercise in futility because they wouldn't want to eliminate an Interstate designation.

I didn't like the designation at first, because of the person who had the audacity to sign it into law and name it after himself, but I mellowed.  I don't understand why, after 15 years, this number is still an issue.

[Grzrd]

Okay, with this extension, I-85 really has no business having an odd number.

Maybe there's still time to lobby FHWA to instead recognize the extension as the first segment of I-14..... 

[vdeane]

I've never gotten why I-85 has the number it does in the first place.  It's hardly transcontinental, and it would be perfectly happy as an east-west road even without the extension.  I-81 would be much more appropriate as a transcontinental than I-85.

[mightyace]

^^^
Particularly if you connected it to I-59 via I-40, I-40/75, I-75 and I-24.

Then I-81 would be pretty much an end-to-end replacement for US 11.

[Quillz]

I've never gotten why I-85 has the number it does in the first place.  It's hardly transcontinental, and it would be perfectly happy as an east-west road even without the extension.  I-81 would be much more appropriate as a transcontinental than I-85.

Neither I-45 nor I-85 should have the number they have.