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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1350 on: July 20, 2020, 04:56:02 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1351 on: July 20, 2020, 08:34:38 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1352 on: July 20, 2020, 08:52:53 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Actually its not, and by a significant margin.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/40.8906909,-74.7063058/40.5730646,-74.6239814/@40.742335,-74.7376364,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!4m5!2m3!6e1!7e2!8j1595235600!3e0
Change the time as you like, but nearly all will say 206 is faster than 287.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1353 on: July 20, 2020, 11:42:37 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.

It could be the same logic applied to the Exit 16W signage on the Western Spur.  All ramps to NJ 3 west elsewhere say Clifton, but the NJ Turnpike likes to use Rutherford for NJ 3 W Bound at 16W.

NJTA likes to use more local places for its signs, like the Garden State Parkway only using Woodbridge.  It should really use Paterson or even Albany, NY as it is a bypass connector from I-95 to the NYS Thruway.  However, Exit 11 is the result of consolidating old Exit 10 and Exit 11 so that is why that is.  Before I-287, Exit 10 was a direct ramp to the Garden State Parkway (partial access as it was NB only) and Exit 11 was further north connecting directly to US 9 where the maintenance yard is now. 

Though it does have merit, but I-287 north of US 1 was built first.  In fact Metuchen is still used on some US 22 E Bound signs in Bridgewater and at one time a mileage sign in Bernards Township had Metuchen on it as well stating it was 20 miles south of Mount Airy Road.  So before Piscataway became Office Park Central, Metuchen was the biggest community in that region as Piscataway was all farms up until the late 1970's.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1354 on: July 21, 2020, 07:45:32 AM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.

It could be the same logic applied to the Exit 16W signage on the Western Spur.  All ramps to NJ 3 west elsewhere say Clifton, but the NJ Turnpike likes to use Rutherford for NJ 3 W Bound at 16W.

NJTA likes to use more local places for its signs, like the Garden State Parkway only using Woodbridge.  It should really use Paterson or even Albany, NY as it is a bypass connector from I-95 to the NYS Thruway.  However, Exit 11 is the result of consolidating old Exit 10 and Exit 11 so that is why that is.  Before I-287, Exit 10 was a direct ramp to the Garden State Parkway (partial access as it was NB only) and Exit 11 was further north connecting directly to US 9 where the maintenance yard is now. 

Though it does have merit, but I-287 north of US 1 was built first.  In fact Metuchen is still used on some US 22 E Bound signs in Bridgewater and at one time a mileage sign in Bernards Township had Metuchen on it as well stating it was 20 miles south of Mount Airy Road.  So before Piscataway became Office Park Central, Metuchen was the biggest community in that region as Piscataway was all farms up until the late 1970's.

Woodbridge is an official control destination for the Parkway, as per their standard design, so it actually makes good sense here. Even if it wasn't, Rt 9 also shoots off this interchange and it services Woodbridge, so I'm fine with that.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1355 on: July 21, 2020, 07:40:02 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.

It could be the same logic applied to the Exit 16W signage on the Western Spur.  All ramps to NJ 3 west elsewhere say Clifton, but the NJ Turnpike likes to use Rutherford for NJ 3 W Bound at 16W.

NJTA likes to use more local places for its signs, like the Garden State Parkway only using Woodbridge.  It should really use Paterson or even Albany, NY as it is a bypass connector from I-95 to the NYS Thruway.  However, Exit 11 is the result of consolidating old Exit 10 and Exit 11 so that is why that is.  Before I-287, Exit 10 was a direct ramp to the Garden State Parkway (partial access as it was NB only) and Exit 11 was further north connecting directly to US 9 where the maintenance yard is now. 

Though it does have merit, but I-287 north of US 1 was built first.  In fact Metuchen is still used on some US 22 E Bound signs in Bridgewater and at one time a mileage sign in Bernards Township had Metuchen on it as well stating it was 20 miles south of Mount Airy Road.  So before Piscataway became Office Park Central, Metuchen was the biggest community in that region as Piscataway was all farms up until the late 1970's.

Woodbridge is an official control destination for the Parkway, as per their standard design, so it actually makes good sense here. Even if it wasn't, Rt 9 also shoots off this interchange and it services Woodbridge, so I'm fine with that.

Woodbridge is also all the exits between Clark and Sayreville really as its a township not a small square mile city or borough. 

Signing Newark on Exit 130 is like VDOT on I-95 in Fredericksburg using both Washington and Richmond for the US 1 exit as US 1 also goes to those.

FDOT did that once for US 27 on I-75 using Miami as a control city for US 27 southbound because US 27 goes to Miami which the interstate really does not, but nonetheless they changed it to Hialeah because I-75 is still the better road even though you have to connect with other freeways to it.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1356 on: July 23, 2020, 09:26:44 AM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.

It could be the same logic applied to the Exit 16W signage on the Western Spur.  All ramps to NJ 3 west elsewhere say Clifton, but the NJ Turnpike likes to use Rutherford for NJ 3 W Bound at 16W.

NJTA likes to use more local places for its signs, like the Garden State Parkway only using Woodbridge.  It should really use Paterson or even Albany, NY as it is a bypass connector from I-95 to the NYS Thruway.  However, Exit 11 is the result of consolidating old Exit 10 and Exit 11 so that is why that is.  Before I-287, Exit 10 was a direct ramp to the Garden State Parkway (partial access as it was NB only) and Exit 11 was further north connecting directly to US 9 where the maintenance yard is now. 

Though it does have merit, but I-287 north of US 1 was built first.  In fact Metuchen is still used on some US 22 E Bound signs in Bridgewater and at one time a mileage sign in Bernards Township had Metuchen on it as well stating it was 20 miles south of Mount Airy Road.  So before Piscataway became Office Park Central, Metuchen was the biggest community in that region as Piscataway was all farms up until the late 1970's.

Woodbridge is an official control destination for the Parkway, as per their standard design, so it actually makes good sense here. Even if it wasn't, Rt 9 also shoots off this interchange and it services Woodbridge, so I'm fine with that.

Woodbridge is also all the exits between Clark and Sayreville really as its a township not a small square mile city or borough. 

Signing Newark on Exit 130 is like VDOT on I-95 in Fredericksburg using both Washington and Richmond for the US 1 exit as US 1 also goes to those.

FDOT did that once for US 27 on I-75 using Miami as a control city for US 27 southbound because US 27 goes to Miami which the interstate really does not, but nonetheless they changed it to Hialeah because I-75 is still the better road even though you have to connect with other freeways to it.

Newark is what NJDOT uses for Rt 1 north of New Brunswick even if Rahway or Elizabeth may be better options, so I'm pretty sure that's why they have used that since they built the ramp to 1NB back in the early 90s. Kinda silly I suppose, but it is what it is.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1357 on: July 27, 2020, 11:12:14 PM »

Not that this applies here, but the continued use of Metuchen on Exit 10 of the Turnpike drives me up a wall. Morristown has been the first control city on 287 northbound since the mid 90s. if you want something closer, then Somerville, which probably should be a control city on both 287 and 22. Even if you wanted to use a local destination, Edison seems more important, and that's relegated to secondary signage. Sometimes obstinence just keeps things in place way longer than it should be.
I always figured (without any data to support this) that most traffic entering I-287 at Exit 10 is bound for Metuchen. It does have a dedicated lane that exits to NJ 27.

Speaking of Somerville, I find it odd that I-80 signs Somerville at US 206 South when I-287 is a faster route there.

Completely coincidental. Metuchen as a control city is solely due to 287 only being built that far when Exit 10 was built. As for Somerville on 80, it passes thru Morristown first, so that makes more sense.

It could be the same logic applied to the Exit 16W signage on the Western Spur.  All ramps to NJ 3 west elsewhere say Clifton, but the NJ Turnpike likes to use Rutherford for NJ 3 W Bound at 16W.

NJTA likes to use more local places for its signs, like the Garden State Parkway only using Woodbridge.  It should really use Paterson or even Albany, NY as it is a bypass connector from I-95 to the NYS Thruway.  However, Exit 11 is the result of consolidating old Exit 10 and Exit 11 so that is why that is.  Before I-287, Exit 10 was a direct ramp to the Garden State Parkway (partial access as it was NB only) and Exit 11 was further north connecting directly to US 9 where the maintenance yard is now. 

Though it does have merit, but I-287 north of US 1 was built first.  In fact Metuchen is still used on some US 22 E Bound signs in Bridgewater and at one time a mileage sign in Bernards Township had Metuchen on it as well stating it was 20 miles south of Mount Airy Road.  So before Piscataway became Office Park Central, Metuchen was the biggest community in that region as Piscataway was all farms up until the late 1970's.

Woodbridge is an official control destination for the Parkway, as per their standard design, so it actually makes good sense here. Even if it wasn't, Rt 9 also shoots off this interchange and it services Woodbridge, so I'm fine with that.

Woodbridge is also all the exits between Clark and Sayreville really as its a township not a small square mile city or borough. 

Signing Newark on Exit 130 is like VDOT on I-95 in Fredericksburg using both Washington and Richmond for the US 1 exit as US 1 also goes to those.

FDOT did that once for US 27 on I-75 using Miami as a control city for US 27 southbound because US 27 goes to Miami which the interstate really does not, but nonetheless they changed it to Hialeah because I-75 is still the better road even though you have to connect with other freeways to it.

Newark is what NJDOT uses for Rt 1 north of New Brunswick even if Rahway or Elizabeth may be better options, so I'm pretty sure that's why they have used that since they built the ramp to 1NB back in the early 90s. Kinda silly I suppose, but it is what it is.

Yeah so does a lot of places use a different control city on local routes from freeways than the side roads.  Heck NJ does for NJ 23 further north on I-287 in Riverdale.  NJ 23 is also signed Newark from its start in Montague, yet the rule is broken on I-287 using Wayne instead.   Also Mahwah on NJ 17 S Bound from I-287 where the rest of NJ 17 uses Newark as well.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1358 on: August 07, 2020, 12:20:36 AM »

Dont know if its true or not, but on FB someone posted a rate increase from $1.50 to $1.90 at the toll plazas.
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« Reply #1359 on: August 07, 2020, 01:09:22 AM »

Dont know if its true or not, but on FB someone posted a rate increase from $1.50 to $1.90 at the toll plazas.
NJTA is increasing rates, we have separate discussion on that.

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« Reply #1360 on: August 08, 2020, 12:55:24 PM »

I remember when the Parkway was only a quarter each toll plaza when I began to drive back in 1981.  It has come a long way since then including road widening as it was four lanes south of Exit 98 until the mid 1980's and then a lot changed in the last few decades including more complete interchanges and installation of the EZ Pass and such.

Now it is close to $2 and more expensive than FL roads are now as in the 90's it was the other way around.
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« Reply #1361 on: August 08, 2020, 08:33:07 PM »

The Garden State Parkway is one of the cheapest toll roads in terms of $/mi. For a while it was THE cheapest.
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« Reply #1362 on: August 08, 2020, 11:02:53 PM »

I remember when the Parkway was only a quarter each toll plaza when I began to drive back in 1981.  It has come a long way since then including road widening as it was four lanes south of Exit 98 until the mid 1980's and then a lot changed in the last few decades including more complete interchanges and installation of the EZ Pass and such.

Now it is close to $2 and more expensive than FL roads are now as in the 90's it was the other way around.

Because you ignored the fact they are now mostly one way tolls, not two way tolling they had back in the 1980s.

It's closer to $2 because of the one way tolls. If they still had all one way tolls, it would still be under $1.

(And in select locations, this still applies)
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« Reply #1363 on: August 11, 2020, 11:01:46 PM »

Prep work on paving the shoulders between Exit 30 and 36 has begun to "widen" this section of the Parkway. For now only the overpasses are being replaced with new ones that are 3 lanes wide with full left and right shoulders. The roadway itself is being rebuilt with 2 lanes and full width shoulders. Eventually Exit 30 will be closed and Exit 29 upgraded to a full interchange, likely because the overpass that carries the Exit 30 ramp is a bit on the low side and needs to be replaced.
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« Reply #1364 on: August 12, 2020, 10:54:35 AM »

Prep work on paving the shoulders between Exit 30 and 36 has begun to "widen" this section of the Parkway. For now only the overpasses are being replaced with new ones that are 3 lanes wide with full left and right shoulders. The roadway itself is being rebuilt with 2 lanes and full width shoulders. Eventually Exit 30 will be closed and Exit 29 upgraded to a full interchange, likely because the overpass that carries the Exit 30 ramp is a bit on the low side and needs to be replaced.

Given that the original widening plans were to widen all the way to Exit 30 and they're basically doing all the prep work for it to happen eventually, I don't know why they don't just widen it out to 29 and call it a day.
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« Reply #1365 on: August 12, 2020, 08:10:14 PM »

Details here: https://www.njta.com/media/5282/gsp-30-35_public-hearing-final.pdf

One of the bridges was already widened in a past replacement project.
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