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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1325 on: March 10, 2020, 12:03:01 AM »

Thanks Alps. I assume the lanes are 9 to 10 feet wide in the five-lane area? I suppose it's marginally acceptable being as there are no heavy trucks on the Parkway that far north. Surprising though that the Authority was desperate enough for another lane that they would go narrower than 12 feet on an otherwise modern road.
a) Keep in mind that the "widening" happened under the NJ Highway Authority.
b) I think only the lanes on the old Driscoll Bridge were 10'. I think Union is closer to 11'. But again, don't quote me on that unless you want to wander out there with a ruler yourself.*
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1326 on: March 10, 2020, 12:18:11 PM »

Thanks Alps. I assume the lanes are 9 to 10 feet wide in the five-lane area? I suppose it's marginally acceptable being as there are no heavy trucks on the Parkway that far north. Surprising though that the Authority was desperate enough for another lane that they would go narrower than 12 feet on an otherwise modern road.
a) Keep in mind that the "widening" happened under the NJ Highway Authority.
b) I think only the lanes on the old Driscoll Bridge were 10'. I think Union is closer to 11'. But again, don't quote me on that unless you want to wander out there with a ruler yourself.*
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Steve Anderson's page for the Parkway on nycroads.com claims that the NJ4Pkwy section has 12 foot lanes, which doesn't seem possible. I really thought I remember reading how they were shrunk to 11 foot lanes in the early 80s to fit that fifth lane thru there. In fact, I thought that was the old Highway Authority's MO, to eliminate shoulders and squeeze lanes down in order to fit extra lanes in without having to acquire more ROW.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1327 on: March 10, 2020, 04:34:18 PM »

Thanks Alps. I assume the lanes are 9 to 10 feet wide in the five-lane area? I suppose it's marginally acceptable being as there are no heavy trucks on the Parkway that far north. Surprising though that the Authority was desperate enough for another lane that they would go narrower than 12 feet on an otherwise modern road.
a) Keep in mind that the "widening" happened under the NJ Highway Authority.
b) I think only the lanes on the old Driscoll Bridge were 10'. I think Union is closer to 11'. But again, don't quote me on that unless you want to wander out there with a ruler yourself.*
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Steve Anderson's page for the Parkway on nycroads.com claims that the NJ4Pkwy section has 12 foot lanes, which doesn't seem possible. I really thought I remember reading how they were shrunk to 11 foot lanes in the early 80s to fit that fifth lane thru there. In fact, I thought that was the old Highway Authority's MO, to eliminate shoulders and squeeze lanes down in order to fit extra lanes in without having to acquire more ROW.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1328 on: March 10, 2020, 05:23:57 PM »

Why don't they extend I-87 along the GSP. the northern part of the GSP north of I-95/NJ Tpke can be I-987 all the way to I-87/I-287 NY Thruway.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1329 on: March 10, 2020, 05:56:09 PM »

Why don't they extend I-87 along the GSP. the northern part of the GSP north of I-95/NJ Tpke can be I-987 all the way to I-87/I-287 NY Thruway.

GSP is not up to interstate standards and it would be quite a feat to get it there in a lot of places. Plus, another interstate shield in NJ would not accomplish much that's an improvement over what we have now, to be honest.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1330 on: March 11, 2020, 12:36:49 AM »

Why don't they extend I-87 along the GSP. the northern part of the GSP north of I-95/NJ Tpke can be I-987 all the way to I-87/I-287 NY Thruway.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1331 on: March 13, 2020, 04:25:16 PM »

(mostly copied from the Turnpike thread)

NJ.com has an article about the proposed rates for the toll increases by the Turnpike Authority. Parkway increase is going to be around 27%, for both cash and EZ-Pass transactions. Bus discounts are changing as well and will be a flat 40% discount. Toll increases are expected to raise 500MM revenue for the next capital plan.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1332 on: March 17, 2020, 02:09:24 PM »

Turnpike Authority has now published the proposed toll schedules for the Parkway post increase. Essentially looking at .95 each way for mainline plazas, so 1.90 for the one way barriers. Most ramp tolls to move to .65 with the main exception being the East Orange plaza going to 1.25 (I believe it's 1.00 now) and any ramp barriers that charge the same 1 or 2 way tolls as the mainline barriers will move up accordingly.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1333 on: March 17, 2020, 02:26:50 PM »

I won't be able to get to the public hearings, but has anyone floated the managed lane idea for widening the GSP between Exits 129 and 145? That $2.5billon price tag and extensive ROW impacts in East Orange/Irvington/Newark seems very conservative. Further south thru Union County has the room for the most part, but the highway would lose the tree buffer and the stone faced overpasses would have to be replaced. A managed lane proposal would likely get around the toll free restriction on the old NJDOT portion as well.

I don't see how a 6 continuous lane wide roadway from 129 to 142 is going to help. If anything it might be more accident prone.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1334 on: March 17, 2020, 02:54:46 PM »

I won't be able to get to the public hearings, but has anyone floated the managed lane idea for widening the GSP between Exits 129 and 145? That $2.5billon price tag and extensive ROW impacts in East Orange/Irvington/Newark seems very conservative. Further south thru Union County has the room for the most part, but the highway would lose the tree buffer and the stone faced overpasses would have to be replaced. A managed lane proposal would likely get around the toll free restriction on the old NJDOT portion as well.

I don't see how a 6 continuous lane wide roadway from 129 to 142 is going to help. If anything it might be more accident prone.

I'm pretty sure the conditions of the toll free thing were that they weren't allowed to charge any kinds of tolls, and it's not a far jump from calling managed lane fees tolls, so I think that's a non-starter. It's not the Turnpike Authority's MO, either. They're already charging tolls overall to pay for this sort of stuff. I'm betting they'll look to make this work with toll revenue from the existing toll system. I'm just curious how they'll work around the cemetary between 144 and 145. The rest of it might be managed, but that is going to be a sticky point if there ever was one.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1335 on: March 17, 2020, 07:03:05 PM »

I won't be able to get to the public hearings, but has anyone floated the managed lane idea for widening the GSP between Exits 129 and 145? That $2.5billon price tag and extensive ROW impacts in East Orange/Irvington/Newark seems very conservative. Further south thru Union County has the room for the most part, but the highway would lose the tree buffer and the stone faced overpasses would have to be replaced. A managed lane proposal would likely get around the toll free restriction on the old NJDOT portion as well.

I don't see how a 6 continuous lane wide roadway from 129 to 142 is going to help. If anything it might be more accident prone.
Managed lanes still involve widening. All of these ideas will have to be studied during planning and design phases. Rest assured that the engineers at the Turnpike have thought of these things.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1336 on: April 18, 2020, 08:05:02 PM »

Looks like the Express E-ZPass lanes at New Gretna are very close to opening. Sign for traffic pattern change on 4/27 is up. Also the complete lack of traffic has led to a paving binge. Most of the northbound GSP from Exit 58 to around 80 has been repaved.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1337 on: April 20, 2020, 09:15:44 AM »

Looks like the Express E-ZPass lanes at New Gretna are very close to opening. Sign for traffic pattern change on 4/27 is up. Also the complete lack of traffic has led to a paving binge. Most of the northbound GSP from Exit 58 to around 80 has been repaved.

Might as well take advantage of the lull in traffic from commuters before the shore traffic starts, assuming there can be a shore season this year.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1338 on: April 20, 2020, 08:54:53 PM »

Looks like the Express E-ZPass lanes at New Gretna are very close to opening. Sign for traffic pattern change on 4/27 is up. Also the complete lack of traffic has led to a paving binge. Most of the northbound GSP from Exit 58 to around 80 has been repaved.

Might as well take advantage of the lull in traffic from commuters before the shore traffic starts, assuming there can be a shore season this year.
They just started repaving southbound at 80.  They have it coned down to one travel lane, which would be unheard of in normal conditions.  It seems like just a short while ago they widened (and repaved) that section from 80 on down.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1339 on: May 16, 2020, 05:31:31 PM »

High speed E-ZPass lanes are finally open at the New Gretna Toll Plaza. The next Exit 109 ramps are complete and open as well.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1340 on: May 18, 2020, 08:49:39 AM »

High speed E-ZPass lanes are finally open at the New Gretna Toll Plaza. The next Exit 109 ramps are complete and open as well.

What work is left as part of 109? Also, are they finally replacing the signage at that exit? It was the only place on that strech of the Parkway that kept it's classic NJHA signage when it was all replaced a couple of years ago, and I always figured it would be replaced with this project instead.
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