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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1175 on: October 15, 2018, 01:02:33 PM »

So far, only the Cape May and Bloomfield barrier tolls have been converted to full service only (that I've seen). With the elimination of the exact change lanes, they are switching to the MUTCD standard "FULL SERVICE" lane graphics at the plaza. Naturally the one (!) staffed lane at the Cape May plaza had a long line of cars at it.

"Full Service" is a complete NJTA thing. It's starting to pop up at the Turnpike plazas as well, complete with pictogram, in place of the older "Cash/EZ-Pass" signs.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1176 on: October 15, 2018, 05:19:46 PM »

Union toll plaza was being converted today.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1177 on: October 15, 2018, 05:20:57 PM »

https://goo.gl/maps/9TrgGFScyxB2 Is the Exit 7S gore sign with the SB GSP shield the only guide for the WB (or even EB as ditto for the other side) ACE for the Parkway South?

https://goo.gl/maps/MigV5tZfUG92
I am aware of that one, but there is no at exit guide here.  There used to be a left side Cape May Guide with a Parkway shield under it before the GSP crossing, but even that perished.  I assume that was gone when the ACE was six laned some time ago. 

PA at the Fort Indiantown Gap exit used to lack one as the sign bridge before the PA 934 ramp departed had a Next Right sign, but as we all know the MUTCD made it where an at exit sign must be present.  Heck PA, FL, and SC all had to nix the "Next Right" in favor of an arrow due to MUTCD compliances over the years.

Of course the ACE does not want to change signs and bring them up to date.  Most guides still use all upper case.  They did though used mix case going EB at US 9, but because that was added later after the change in guidelines, but other than that the whole ACE has old signage. 

You must agree that new overheads are needed there and with 3 lanes each way its time to adapt.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1178 on: October 16, 2018, 12:11:54 AM »

Over the summer, I was out on the water and decided to get some shots of the Great Egg Harbor Bridge construction.
I find it fascinating that they took the northbound bridge all the way down to the piles even though they don't look in that great a shape.

Here are the pictures

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1179 on: October 16, 2018, 12:21:34 AM »

All that money spent just to have a two lane wide bridge with no safety shoulder.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1180 on: October 16, 2018, 12:57:34 PM »

(or even EB as ditto for the other side)
Eastbound, there is, what I think is intended to be the exit sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4235225,-74.5742414,3a,75y,122.28h,104.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siFS082IXjGkvDo3gerCMoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
Of course, that sign is all sorts of incorrect and a bit too far away from the exit, but it does mention the GSP.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1181 on: October 16, 2018, 06:04:28 PM »

All that money spent just to have a two lane wide bridge with no safety shoulder.
Huh? All of the Parkway's new bridges are built to be expanded to 3 lanes wide with shoulders. Right NOW, no, because there's still construction.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1182 on: October 16, 2018, 06:12:46 PM »

All that money spent just to have a two lane wide bridge with no safety shoulder.
Huh? All of the Parkway's new bridges are built to be expanded to 3 lanes wide with shoulders. Right NOW, no, because there's still construction.
Yes but the northbound bridge that they are rehabbing is going to be just as wide as it used to be.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1183 on: October 16, 2018, 06:41:22 PM »

All that money spent just to have a two lane wide bridge with no safety shoulder.
Huh? All of the Parkway's new bridges are built to be expanded to 3 lanes wide with shoulders. Right NOW, no, because there's still construction.
Yes but the northbound bridge that they are rehabbing is going to be just as wide as it used to be.

Because the NB span was newer, they decided just to do a rehab. Considering what they're doing with it, it would've been nice to widen it for a 3rd lane to take advantage of the current lane configuration on the future SB side.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1184 on: October 16, 2018, 06:49:44 PM »

Wait, are they rebuilding the whole northbound bridge as-is or were only a few of the segments totally replaced?
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1185 on: October 16, 2018, 07:07:35 PM »

All that money spent just to have a two lane wide bridge with no safety shoulder.
Huh? All of the Parkway's new bridges are built to be expanded to 3 lanes wide with shoulders. Right NOW, no, because there's still construction.
Yes but the northbound bridge that they are rehabbing is going to be just as wide as it used to be.

Because the NB span was newer, they decided just to do a rehab. Considering what they're doing with it, it would've been nice to widen it for a 3rd lane to take advantage of the current lane configuration on the future SB side.
Okay, I did not realize that at all. I'm surprised.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1186 on: October 16, 2018, 08:39:11 PM »

The Bergen toll plaza now has the Full Service lanes.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1187 on: October 16, 2018, 09:51:03 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1188 on: October 16, 2018, 10:08:25 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1189 on: October 16, 2018, 10:48:03 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1190 on: October 16, 2018, 10:54:40 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.

Probably not what you are talking about since its way down here, but the Dulles Toll Road has EZPASS and accepts credit/debit cards.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1191 on: October 16, 2018, 10:55:21 PM »

Wait, are they rebuilding the whole northbound bridge as-is or were only a few of the segments totally replaced?

Every segment will be completely replaced. The only thing original will be the concrete piles.

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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1192 on: October 16, 2018, 11:15:15 PM »

Full servicein NJ means cash, exact change, or EZPass.

The Indiana East-West Toll Road accepts credit cards along with currency and EZPass.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1193 on: October 16, 2018, 11:52:48 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.

The PA Turnpike accepts credit/debit cards.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1194 on: October 18, 2018, 11:27:58 PM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.

The PA Turnpike accepts credit/debit cards.
That is where I saw the acceptance. 

However, Full Service to me would mean everything accepted.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1195 on: October 19, 2018, 10:03:10 AM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.

The PA Turnpike accepts credit/debit cards.
That is where I saw the acceptance. 

However, Full Service to me would mean everything accepted.

to me, "Full Service" means there's an attendant - which is consistent with how it is used at gas stations. it has nothing to do with accepted methods of payment.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1196 on: October 19, 2018, 10:43:07 AM »

In Florida we do not accept debit or credit cards, so I guess they cannot change the signs to full service.

If I understand this correctly it means cash, credit, or EZ Pass.

Except neither Turnpike Authority facility takes credit or debit cards either...
Oh boy, as a former toll collector the toll collectors there are going to here it from the motorists who refuse to carry cash and rely on Mr. Debit.

Did I not here, though, that the Parkway and Turnpike do accept debit cards?  I do not know if it was here from another user or on an internet article I surfed recently, but I seen it someplace.  Maybe it was for another NYC metro roadway, but I do know one EZ Pass toll road does accept them now.

The PA Turnpike accepts credit/debit cards.
That is where I saw the acceptance. 

However, Full Service to me would mean everything accepted.

to me, "Full Service" means there's an attendant - which is consistent with how it is used at gas stations. it has nothing to do with accepted methods of payment.

I wished they didn't go that way with the wording because it is a bit confusing.  'Cash' is very plain and simple.

Then again, I've seen people enter the 'EZ Pass Only' lanes, stop, and ask what it means. 
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1197 on: October 19, 2018, 12:41:57 PM »

Whats the issue with tolls converting to debit & credit? Full Service sounds a lot like “we have & we accept everything” & Wouldn’t switching to toll less gantries solve everything ? Ezpass or they send the bill in the mail every month.


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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1198 on: October 19, 2018, 12:47:44 PM »

Whats the issue with tolls converting to debit & credit?
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There's a credit card transaction fee of approximately 3% of the charge every time the card is used, usually paid by the company.  There's also equipment expenses, phone line expenses, receipt paper expenses, etc.   Toll agencies don't want to pay these fees and expenses.  They would rather motorists convert to EZ Pass.
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Re: Garden State Parkway
« Reply #1199 on: October 19, 2018, 12:49:03 PM »

Whats the issue with tolls converting to debit & credit?
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There's a credit card transaction fee of approximately 3% of the charge every time the card is used, usually paid by the company.  There's also equipment expenses, phone line expenses, receipt paper expenses, etc.   Toll agencies don't want to pay these fees and expenses.  They would rather motorists convert to EZ Pass.
Actually makes sense. Its their type of debit. Because you’re card is hooked up to it.


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