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Started by I-39, March 21, 2016, 10:08:41 PM

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Henry

Quote from: Joe The Dragon on June 05, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: 3467 on June 04, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
I agree ...Also with 755.They also should have used 41 because the Tristate is worthy of a 2di.
the OLD toll us 41 is not coming back.
I think he meant I-41.
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ilpt4u

#951
Quote from: Henry on June 10, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on June 05, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: 3467 on June 04, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
I agree ...Also with 755.They also should have used 41 because the Tristate is worthy of a 2di.
the OLD toll us 41 is not coming back.
I think he meant I-41.
The fact that the Tri-State used to be Toll US 41 is (at least) part of the reason applying the Toll I-41 designation would be appropriate

It is a major enough route to justify a 2di (for the entire route), and since I-41 now exists, continue the I-94 multiplex till the current 94/294 split, and either keep 94 Downtown and replace 294 with 41, or replace 294 with 94 and replace 94 Downtown with 41. Either assignment has advantages, but I would have a slight preference to keeping 94 thru Downtown and 41 (back) on the entire Tri-State

Could ISTHA apply for I-41 on their own, or would IDOT have to be involved? Not saying either would - I know I have not read anything from either agency regarding interest in the I-41 designation

SEWIGuy

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 10, 2019, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 10, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on June 05, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: 3467 on June 04, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
I agree ...Also with 755.They also should have used 41 because the Tristate is worthy of a 2di.
the OLD toll us 41 is not coming back.
I think he meant I-41.
The fact that the Tri-State used to be Toll US 41 is (at least) part of the reason applying the Toll I-41 designation would be appropriate

It is a major enough route to justify a 2di (for the entire route), and since I-41 now exists, continue the I-94 multiplex till the current 94/294 split, and either keep 94 Downtown and replace 294 with 41, or replace 294 with 94 and replace 94 Downtown with 41. Either assignment has advantages, but I would have a slight preference to keeping 94 thru Downtown and 41 (back) on the entire Tri-State

Could ISTHA apply for I-41 on their own, or would IDOT have to be involved? Not saying either would - I know I have not read anything from either agency regarding interest in the I-41 designation


Since Illinois blocked any attempt to extend an existing interstate over US-41, I doubt they will have any interest in renumbering the Tri-State.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 10, 2019, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 10, 2019, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: Henry on June 10, 2019, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on June 05, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: 3467 on June 04, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
I agree ...Also with 755.They also should have used 41 because the Tristate is worthy of a 2di.
the OLD toll us 41 is not coming back.
I think he meant I-41.
The fact that the Tri-State used to be Toll US 41 is (at least) part of the reason applying the Toll I-41 designation would be appropriate

It is a major enough route to justify a 2di (for the entire route), and since I-41 now exists, continue the I-94 multiplex till the current 94/294 split, and either keep 94 Downtown and replace 294 with 41, or replace 294 with 94 and replace 94 Downtown with 41. Either assignment has advantages, but I would have a slight preference to keeping 94 thru Downtown and 41 (back) on the entire Tri-State

Could ISTHA apply for I-41 on their own, or would IDOT have to be involved? Not saying either would - I know I have not read anything from either agency regarding interest in the I-41 designation


Since Illinois blocked any attempt to extend an existing interstate over US-41, I doubt they will have any interest in renumbering the Tri-State.

Renumbering the interstates in Chicagoland makes a bunch of sense to us roadgeeks, but in the real world it's a very large and unnecessary expense and would cause some confusion for quite a while until people got used to the changes.
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ilpt4u

#954
Except for the fact some have already been renumbered...If at first you don't succeed, try try again

Eliminate 290 & 294. Extend 41, 88, and 355. Christen 388.

Thats less change than has historically been done...

I would even say giving the Tri-State the I-41 designation makes the most sense of any changes...Is not part of the Interstate System idea to have route continuity, especially across state lines?

3467

I agree. You Chicago people need to go to the toll authority meetings. I would go with Interstate 53 for 355 if extended. Also sticking 110 on the Ike  and Reagan didn't cause a crisis because people use the names anyway and those have been changed a lot.

ilpt4u

The only way I might get behind I-53 for I-355 is if the IL 53/120 Extension is built along with FAP 420 to connect to the US 12 Freeway in WI...

But even that is rough, since IL 53 is the parallel route to or already on part of the I-355/I-290/IL 53 Freeway. Then again, WI shows us that I-41 and US 41 can multiplex

I like the 355 number, because its an anagram of 53, the route it parallels and upgraded. Whether that went into the decision when originally designated...probably not. 455 was clearly considered for the route at some point

Revive 755

I-355, even if eventually extended well into Wisconsin, does not deserve/warrant an odd two digit number, giving the lack of available numbers.  If the corridor were to make it close to Madison it would be better as a relocation of I-90, with existing I-90 between I-290 and I-39 changed to a 3di or renumbered as an even I-8x (with the possibility of being extended westward into Iowa someday).

Now if I-355 gets extended into Indiana and begins consuming US 41 across that state, I would be more open to a two digit designation.

mvak36

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/ct-sta-tollway-interchange-st-0609-story.html

QuoteWork will get underway this summer on the second phase of a massive project linking Interstates 294 and 57, according to the Illinois Tollway.

Construction will include building four ramps as well as reconstructing the median along a portion of I-57 as well as widening a stretch of that interstate, according to the Tollway.

The Tollway will hold an open house to provide information on the next phase from 4 to 7 p.m. June 25 at the Illinois Department of Employment Security office at 16845 S. Halsted St., Harvey.

The initial phase of work, opened to traffic in October 2014, partially resolved a problem area officials had been wrestling with for years.

Where the two interstates cross near Harvey, Markham and Posen was one of two locations in the country where two interstate highways meet without connecting.

To get from one highway to the other, cars and trucks typically use Interstate 80 or 159th Street through Markham.

The initial phase that opened to traffic includes ramps connecting the southbound 294/Tri-State Tollway with southbound I-57 and northbound I-57 with northbound I-294. Also completed were ramps from the southbound Tri-State to 147th Street, and from 147th to the Tri-State's northbound lanes.

The second phase will include building ramps connecting southbound I-57 to northbound I-294 and linking northbound I-294 to northbound I-57.
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ilpt4u

#959
That quoted article says 57/294 was 1 of 2 places interstates met but did not connect...

I guess the NJTP Extension to meet the PATP was not officially signed as an interstate at that time...so maybe it can slide. It is now I-95, so there is a 95/295 instance now

57/294, 95/276, 76/81, 80/271, 80-90/475...and arguably Breezewood...At least the first 2 are no more, with partial connections. Still quite creative math to be only 1 of 2

Regardless, it is good to see ISTHA is moving forward to finish the interchange

jwags

Quote from: ilpt4u on June 13, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
That quoted article says 57/294 was 1 of 2 places interstates met but did not connect...

I guess the NJTP Extension to meet the PATP was not officially signed as an interstate at that time...so maybe it can slide. It is now I-95, so there is a 95/295 instance now

57/294, 95/276, 76/81...and arguably Breezewood...At least the first 2 are no more, with partial connections

Regardless, it is good to see ISTHA is moving forward to finish the interchange

80/476 is another one

ilpt4u

Yup, and I edited my post with the 2 on the Ohio Turnpike as well

mvak36

#962
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 13, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
That quoted article says 57/294 was 1 of 2 places interstates met but did not connect...

I guess the NJTP Extension to meet the PATP was not officially signed as an interstate at that time...so maybe it can slide. It is now I-95, so there is a 95/295 instance now

57/294, 95/276, 76/81, 80/271, 80-90/475...and arguably Breezewood...At least the first 2 are no more, with partial connections. Still quite creative math to be only 1 of 2

Regardless, it is good to see ISTHA is moving forward to finish the interchange

It's possible the other one they were talking about was where I-271 and I-80 cross in Ohio. I don't know what they used as the criteria though.

EDIT: Here's the project site: https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/tri-state/294-57-interchange
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mgk920

Quote from: jwags on June 13, 2019, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 13, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
That quoted article says 57/294 was 1 of 2 places interstates met but did not connect...

I guess the NJTP Extension to meet the PATP was not officially signed as an interstate at that time...so maybe it can slide. It is now I-95, so there is a 95/295 instance now

57/294, 95/276, 76/81...and arguably Breezewood...At least the first 2 are no more, with partial connections

Regardless, it is good to see ISTHA is moving forward to finish the interchange

80/476 is another one

Also I-81/476 on the south end of Scranton, PA.

Would I-76/99 count?

Mike

Revive 755

^ I'm pretty sure there's a list somewhere on the forum already with all of the places where two interstates cross without a direct interchange.  Probably even from discussion of the previous phase of the I-57/I-294 interchange.

ilpt4u

#965
Anyone email the author of the article, to determine how 57/294 was decided as "one of two"  intersections that this occurs?

I am considering it

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=98.0 is the older thread on the 57/294 interchange

Revive 755

Beams are up over the WB lanes of I-90 for the future I-490 ramps.

ET21

Quote from: Revive 755 on June 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Beams are up over the WB lanes of I-90 for the future I-490 ramps.

Yup, I think the eastbound side get their beams before the 4th of July break
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Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

Henry

Quote from: ET21 on June 17, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Beams are up over the WB lanes of I-90 for the future I-490 ramps.

Yup, I think the eastbound side get their beams before the 4th of July break
It's always great to hear about new construction projects getting underway. I can't wait to drive I-490 and the IL 390 extension in a future visit to Chicago.
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ET21

Quote from: Henry on June 27, 2019, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: ET21 on June 17, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 15, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Beams are up over the WB lanes of I-90 for the future I-490 ramps.

Yup, I think the eastbound side get their beams before the 4th of July break
It's always great to hear about new construction projects getting underway. I can't wait to drive I-490 and the IL 390 extension in a future visit to Chicago.

Funny enough, I drove it last night to avoid a stopped train and they got the eastbound beams up as well. Both bridges are up
The local weatherman, trust me I can be 99.9% right!
"Show where you're going, without forgetting where you're from"

Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

Revive 755

The I-90 interchange with IL 23 looks to be almost complete except for some of the signing.  There was a changeable message board WB stating (IIRC) along the lines of Dec 2019 $0.75 toll.  I didn't get a good look at the eastbound message board, but I thought it had a toll of $1 and something, but that does not appear to match what is on the project website (link).

Even though it looks like there's no work left that will affect the middle and median lanes -there only appears to be minor beyond the shoulder type work - there's still a lousy 45 mph work zone speed limit for this interchange  :banghead:

Great Lakes Roads

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/full-interchange-at-i--and-route-in-sugar-grove/article_5c5741b6-170b-11ea-89d2-274b4088097f.html

The east-facing ramps (to/from Chicago) on I-88 at Illinois Route 47 in Sugar Grove will be opening on Tuesday! Get your I-Pass ready because these new ramps will be all-electronic tolling!

ET21

Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on December 08, 2019, 12:08:55 AM
http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/full-interchange-at-i--and-route-in-sugar-grove/article_5c5741b6-170b-11ea-89d2-274b4088097f.html

The east-facing ramps (to/from Chicago) on I-88 at Illinois Route 47 in Sugar Grove will be opening on Tuesday! Get your I-Pass ready because these new ramps will be all-electronic tolling!

5 years too late for me, man this would have been nice for my NIU commutes. But great to see it finally completed!
The local weatherman, trust me I can be 99.9% right!
"Show where you're going, without forgetting where you're from"

Clinched:
IL: I-88, I-180, I-190, I-290, I-294, I-355, IL-390
IN: I-80, I-94
SD: I-190
WI: I-90, I-94
MI: I-94, I-196
MN: I-90

Great Lakes Roads

#973
https://www.nwherald.com/2019/12/06/i-90-interchange-in-marengo-to-open-by-end-of-the-month/a3wporm/

Long overdue, but this interchange on I-90 at Route 23 in Marengo will (hopefully) open by the end of this month.

EDIT: It will be open on December 23 (Monday).

Great Lakes Roads

#974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXbMu3ix4fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUM-oaTx0yM

Videos of the new interchanges on the Illinois Tollway.

1. I-88 at Route 47 in Sugar Grove (opened today)
2. I-90 at Route 23 in Marengo (will be opening on December 23)



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