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Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2024, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 23, 2024, 12:54:24 PMNo surprise at the number of speed camera warnings on I-95.  People drive like maniacs without a work zone.

WDEL - Work zone speeders number in the tens of thousands

The problem with these type work zones is the *perceived* level of danger. There's still 3 thru lanes, normal width, with work taking place well behind concrete construction barriers - if the work is taking place at all when drivers were speeding.  There's a reduced limit of 55 mph, but travelers don't feel like they need to slow down because there's nothing that "encourages" them to slow down.

Look - it's dangerous out there.  On the Baltimore Beltway earlier this year several workers were hit and killed behind a barrier due to a driver weaving in and out of traffic who clipped another vehicle.  And there's going to be times when workers will need to be on or next to the live travel lanes.  Anyone who's broken down on the highway needing to change a vehicle knows what it's like when traffic is flying by at 75 and the only thing separating you from them is 4" of paint on the roadway.

So unless DelDOT narrows those lanes or purposely congests traffic, the state is gonna rack up the money.

The state's absolutely going to make a killing off clueless out-of-staters ignoring the plethora of advanced warning signage and blasting through at 75mph+. And more power to it honestly, means my tax dollars go a little further. What's real fun are combining those out-of-staters with the people who see there's cameras, panic, and slow down to 10-15mph under the limit.

I'd argue the lane width comment though, it feels much narrower through the work zone, at least going southbound. That could just be perceived due to the lack of shoulders though.
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sprjus4

Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2024, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 23, 2024, 12:54:24 PMNo surprise at the number of speed camera warnings on I-95.  People drive like maniacs without a work zone.

WDEL - Work zone speeders number in the tens of thousands

The problem with these type work zones is the *perceived* level of danger. There's still 3 thru lanes, normal width, with work taking place well behind concrete construction barriers - if the work is taking place at all when drivers were speeding.  There's a reduced limit of 55 mph, but travelers don't feel like they need to slow down because there's nothing that "encourages" them to slow down.

Look - it's dangerous out there.  On the Baltimore Beltway earlier this year several workers were hit and killed behind a barrier due to a driver weaving in and out of traffic who clipped another vehicle.  And there's going to be times when workers will need to be on or next to the live travel lanes.  Anyone who's broken down on the highway needing to change a vehicle knows what it's like when traffic is flying by at 75 and the only thing separating you from them is 4" of paint on the roadway.

So unless DelDOT narrows those lanes or purposely congests traffic, the state is gonna rack up the money.
Coupled with the fact they reduced the speed limit from 65 mph to 55 mph, without reducing lane widths or lanes, of course they hoping to ticket those who were going the previous speed limit. When the lanes shift, narrow, shoulders disappear, then I can understand. Until then, it's a revenue generator.

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ixnay

Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2024, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2024, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 23, 2024, 12:54:24 PMNo surprise at the number of speed camera warnings on I-95.  People drive like maniacs without a work zone.

WDEL - Work zone speeders number in the tens of thousands

How much leeway do Delaware's speedcams give before you're fined?  For Maryland school zone speedcams (i've been
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2024, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2024, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 23, 2024, 12:54:24 PMNo surprise at the number of speed camera warnings on I-95.  People drive like maniacs without a work zone.

WDEL - Work zone speeders number in the tens of thousands

The problem with these type work zones is the *perceived* level of danger. There's still 3 thru lanes, normal width, with work taking place well behind concrete construction barriers - if the work is taking place at all when drivers were speeding.  There's a reduced limit of 55 mph, but travelers don't feel like they need to slow down because there's nothing that "encourages" them to slow down.

Look - it's dangerous out there.  On the Baltimore Beltway earlier this year several workers were hit and killed behind a barrier due to a driver weaving in and out of traffic who clipped another vehicle.  And there's going to be times when workers will need to be on or next to the live travel lanes.  Anyone who's broken down on the highway needing to change a vehicle knows what it's like when traffic is flying by at 75 and the only thing separating you from them is 4" of paint on the roadway.

So unless DelDOT narrows those lanes or purposely congests traffic, the state is gonna rack up the money.
Coupled with the fact they reduced the speed limit from 65 mph to 55 mph, without reducing lane widths or lanes, of course they hoping to ticket those who were going the previous speed limit. When the lanes shift, narrow, shoulders disappear, then I can understand. Until then, it's a revenue generator.
The problem with these type work zones is the *perceived* level of danger. There's still 3 thru lanes, normal width, with work taking place well behind concrete construction barriers - if the work is taking place at all when drivers were speeding.  There's a reduced limit of 55 mph, but travelers don't feel like they need to slow down because there's nothing that "encourages" them to slow down.

Look - it's dangerous out there.  On the Baltimore Beltway earlier this year several workers were hit and killed behind a barrier due to a driver weaving in and out of traffic who clipped another vehicle.  And there's going to be times when workers will need to be on or next to the live travel lanes.  Anyone who's broken down on the highway needing to change a vehicle knows what it's like when traffic is flying by at 75 and the only thing separating you from them is 4" of paint on the roadway.

So unless DelDOT narrows those lanes or purposely congests traffic, the state is gonna rack up the money.
Coupled with the fact they reduced the speed limit from 65 mph to 55 mph, without reducing lane widths or lanes, of course they hoping to ticket those who were going the previous speed limit. When the lanes shift, narrow, shoulders disappear, then I can understand. Until then, it's a revenue generator.

How much leeway before do Delaware's speed cams give you?  For Maryland's school zone speed cams (I was nabbed by one a few years back) it's 12 mph above the limit.  Thirteen or more above and you're fined.

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QuoteHow much leeway before do Delaware's speed cams give you?  For Maryland's school zone speed cams (I was nabbed by one a few years back) it's 12 mph above the limit.  Thirteen or more above and you're fined.

QuoteFines don't start until you exceed 11 mph over the speed limit.

10 mph according to this link. 
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MASTERNC

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Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 29, 2024, 01:26:58 PM
QuoteHow much leeway before do Delaware's speed cams give you?  For Maryland's school zone speed cams (I was nabbed by one a few years back) it's 12 mph above the limit.  Thirteen or more above and you're fined.

QuoteFines don't start until you exceed 11 mph over the speed limit.

10 mph according to this link. 

DelDOT's last public meeting presentation (page 34) says 11 MPH.

There is a slight lane shift and loss of shoulders.  I'm not a fan of enforcement when workers aren't present (this is a 24/7 camera box placed roadside) except when drivers are blatantly driving too fast for conditions.  This is one of them.  The work zone further south in MD near the service plaza has just a shoulder closure and (supposedly) an unmanned speed camera that I assume would operate 24/7.

sprjus4

#2607
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 29, 2024, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 29, 2024, 01:26:58 PM
QuoteHow much leeway before do Delaware's speed cams give you?  For Maryland's school zone speed cams (I was nabbed by one a few years back) it's 12 mph above the limit.  Thirteen or more above and you're fined.

QuoteFines don't start until you exceed 11 mph over the speed limit.

10 mph according to this link. 

DelDOT's last public meeting presentation (page 34) says 11 MPH.

There is a slight lane shift and loss of shoulders.  I'm not a fan of enforcement when workers aren't present (this is a 24/7 camera box placed roadside) except when drivers are blatantly driving too fast for conditions.  This is one of them.  The work zone further south in MD near the service plaza has just a shoulder closure and (supposedly) an unmanned speed camera that I assume would operate 24/7.
Unless workers are actively present, or lanes are closed for active work, there's no reason the speed limit shouldn't remain 65 mph.

Obviously, those going 80+ mph are going too fast, but ticketing 66-67 mph (when the speed limit is usually 65 mph) when there's no work going on is excessive.

Keep it at 65 mph, and target those going 77+ mph - if you're going to have any camera enforcement. Lower it to 55 mph when there's active work. Variable speed limit signs do exist where they can lower it and have it flashing to alert drivers of the lower limit.

Traffic is moving 75-80+ mph before the work area, then slamming on the brakes all the way down to 55-60 mph. In heavier conditions, that's going to significantly increase the chances of an accident. That's a significant drop in speed. Slowing down from 75-80+ mph to 65-70 mph (because of camera enforcement) is a lesser drop, especially when no work is active.

You want to go more extreme, I've seen several work zones in North Carolina and Florida (just two examples that come to mind) where they've kept the speed limit at 70 mph through lane shifts, narrow lanes, etc. and most drivers seem to comply within 5-7 mph of the limit (not counting those egregious violators flying through 80+ mph carelessly).

Virginia is widening a portion of I-64 east of Richmond, and they've recently implemented lane shifts onto the shoulder (for the entirety of the 10 mile work zone) and a few tight areas, and surprisingly has not changed the 70 mph speed limit - something I've never seen VDOT not do.

MASTERNC

Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2024, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 29, 2024, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on July 29, 2024, 01:26:58 PM
QuoteHow much leeway before do Delaware's speed cams give you?  For Maryland's school zone speed cams (I was nabbed by one a few years back) it's 12 mph above the limit.  Thirteen or more above and you're fined.

QuoteFines don't start until you exceed 11 mph over the speed limit.

10 mph according to this link. 

DelDOT's last public meeting presentation (page 34) says 11 MPH.

There is a slight lane shift and loss of shoulders.  I'm not a fan of enforcement when workers aren't present (this is a 24/7 camera box placed roadside) except when drivers are blatantly driving too fast for conditions.  This is one of them.  The work zone further south in MD near the service plaza has just a shoulder closure and (supposedly) an unmanned speed camera that I assume would operate 24/7.
Unless workers are actively present, or lanes are closed for active work, there's no reason the speed limit shouldn't remain 65 mph.

Obviously, those going 80+ mph are going too fast, but ticketing 66-67 mph (when the speed limit is usually 65 mph) when there's no work going on is excessive.

Keep it at 65 mph, and target those going 77+ mph - if you're going to have any camera enforcement. Lower it to 55 mph when there's active work. Variable speed limit signs do exist where they can lower it and have it flashing to alert drivers of the lower limit.

Traffic is moving 75-80+ mph before the work area, then slamming on the brakes all the way down to 55-60 mph. In heavier conditions, that's going to significantly increase the chances of an accident. That's a significant drop in speed. Slowing down from 75-80+ mph to 65-70 mph (because of camera enforcement) is a lesser drop, especially when no work is active.

You want to go more extreme, I've seen several work zones in North Carolina and Florida (just two examples that come to mind) where they've kept the speed limit at 70 mph through lane shifts, narrow lanes, etc. and most drivers seem to comply within 5-7 mph of the limit (not counting those egregious violators flying through 80+ mph carelessly).

Virginia is widening a portion of I-64 east of Richmond, and they've recently implemented lane shifts onto the shoulder (for the entirety of the 10 mile work zone) and a few tight areas, and surprisingly has not changed the 70 mph speed limit - something I've never seen VDOT not do.

Ironically, there is a VSL sign in this work zone but think it is used more for the radar display on it.  I am a fan of the VSLs, which North Carolina and Ohio use.  Ohio actually has specific rules of speed reductions based on the original speed limit and whether workers are present (and if they are behind concrete barriers).

But I digress

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MASTERNC

Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2024, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 23, 2024, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: MASTERNC on July 23, 2024, 12:54:24 PMNo surprise at the number of speed camera warnings on I-95.  People drive like maniacs without a work zone.

WDEL - Work zone speeders number in the tens of thousands

The problem with these type work zones is the *perceived* level of danger. There's still 3 thru lanes, normal width, with work taking place well behind concrete construction barriers - if the work is taking place at all when drivers were speeding.  There's a reduced limit of 55 mph, but travelers don't feel like they need to slow down because there's nothing that "encourages" them to slow down.

Look - it's dangerous out there.  On the Baltimore Beltway earlier this year several workers were hit and killed behind a barrier due to a driver weaving in and out of traffic who clipped another vehicle.  And there's going to be times when workers will need to be on or next to the live travel lanes.  Anyone who's broken down on the highway needing to change a vehicle knows what it's like when traffic is flying by at 75 and the only thing separating you from them is 4" of paint on the roadway.

So unless DelDOT narrows those lanes or purposely congests traffic, the state is gonna rack up the money.
Coupled with the fact they reduced the speed limit from 65 mph to 55 mph, without reducing lane widths or lanes, of course they hoping to ticket those who were going the previous speed limit. When the lanes shift, narrow, shoulders disappear, then I can understand. Until then, it's a revenue generator.

Pulled up the interchange traffic cam at night to see if it picked up flashes from the speed camera. It did. Counted more than a handful of flashes in less than 10 minutes  but not as many as I thought.

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74/171FAN

(Affects access along I-95, US 202, DE 141, US 13, and maybe even DE 37)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ramp Closures for the Expansion of NB I-295
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ixnay

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 05, 2024, 12:24:43 PM(Affects access along I-95, US 202, DE 141, US 13, and maybe even DE 37)  TRAFFIC ALERT - New Castle County - Ramp Closures for the Expansion of NB I-295

What is the closure of the NB 295 to NB 13 ramp for?  Also why is the ramp from SB 295 to SB US 13/WB US 40 currently closed until 8/9?

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74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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74/171FAN

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ixnay

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 28, 2024, 02:18:19 PMStatewide - Rise of the Clankers--Two More Bridges to Receive Overhead Warning System

From the article:

QuoteSince [the clankers'] installation, the [Casho Mill Road] bridge has had only one bridge strike incident which occurred earlier this year. The clankers did their job and caused an oversize vehicle to stop, however, the intrepid driver decided they would not be deterred and proceeded to hit the bridge anyway.

"Intrepid"?  A PC choice of words on the part of DelDot.  "Defiant' would be more like it.  Was he ever caught?  Has he been prosecuted?

Alex

Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 28, 2024, 02:18:19 PMStatewide - Rise of the Clankers--Two More Bridges to Receive Overhead Warning System

QuoteThe Delaware Department of Transportation announces that construction of the new overheight vehicle warning system on Telegraph Road at the CSX Railroad Bridge in Wilmington will begin the first week of September.

That is definitely not Wilmington, it's Stanton...

Driven below that narrow bridge many times over the last three decades. Telegraph Road is part of a more direct route between SR 2 and SR 7. The bridge in question:


Alex4897

Quote from: Alex on August 29, 2024, 03:07:34 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 28, 2024, 02:18:19 PMStatewide - Rise of the Clankers--Two More Bridges to Receive Overhead Warning System

QuoteThe Delaware Department of Transportation announces that construction of the new overheight vehicle warning system on Telegraph Road at the CSX Railroad Bridge in Wilmington will begin the first week of September.

That is definitely not Wilmington, it's Stanton...

Driven below that narrow bridge many times over the last three decades. Telegraph Road is part of a more direct route between SR 2 and SR 7. The bridge in question:



Its address is Wilmington though. 19804 and 19808 both cover Stanton, Newport, Pike Creek, Mill Creek, Marshallton, etc., but are all just blindly considered 'Wilmington.' I have family in this area that complains about this periodically  :-D
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