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Re: Delaware
« Reply #700 on: April 19, 2016, 08:30:17 AM »

with the talk of Massachusetts moving to mileage based exits and Connecticut moving towards that eventually, are there any plans for Delaware to move to mileage based exits? My wish list would be if they could remove those confusing kilometer exit numbers on Route 1 and replace them with proper mileage based exits. I doubt the USA is moving to the metric system any time soon.

A better idea - get rid of the U.S. customary units of measurement. 

In spite of what right wing radio talk show hosts want people to think, a very large part of the U.S. economy is already metric, including liquor and wine, nearly all motor vehicle parts and all pharmaceuticals. 

And soda, which strangely use both measurements.  2 liter bottles & 20 oz bottles, 12 oz cans and 500ml (16.9oz) bottles.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #701 on: April 19, 2016, 08:32:22 AM »

And we could bring up the 3-1-1 at the airports, which actually shorts us.  In the rest of the world, it's 100ml, which is actually 3.4oz (and what is permitted, but good luck with most people understanding that).
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #702 on: April 19, 2016, 01:20:07 PM »

I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #703 on: April 20, 2016, 08:15:10 PM »

I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #704 on: April 28, 2016, 08:50:45 AM »

I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #705 on: April 28, 2016, 11:03:25 AM »

I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.

Wasn't that tried at one point in some state, and found to be much too confusing?

In reality, no one needs to know, or care, about km while they're driving.  If you had an emergency on DE 1 and told 911 you were at MP 157, they know what you're talking about.  The only difference is what was alluded to earlier...posts 160-120 isn't going to be 40 miles.  Again, ost people don't know that, or care.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #706 on: April 28, 2016, 12:58:45 PM »

If you've gotten on the highway, and know you need to get off at exit 166, you should be able to look at any mile/km marker and do the math to figure out how far away you are.  You can't do that on DE 1.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #707 on: April 28, 2016, 03:48:01 PM »

If you've gotten on the highway, and know you need to get off at exit 166, you should be able to look at any mile/km marker and do the math to figure out how far away you are.  You can't do that on DE 1.

Right.  I know that.  You know that.  Most people on these boards know that.   But like I said, I doubt many others know that, or at least give it much thought.  Very few are looking at their odometers and thinking to themselves they think they have 30 miles (or whatever) to go, but find themselves at the exit much sooner.  Being the highway's been around for 20 or so years in it's current state, it's not something that seems to register as any importance to DelDOT or the people driving the highway.

Besides...it's Delaware.  You can't measure distance on I-95 either via their exit numbers.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #708 on: April 28, 2016, 06:27:53 PM »

I'm not staring at the odometer... I'm staring at the milemarkers and doing the math in my head!
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #709 on: April 28, 2016, 07:57:17 PM »

You have to remember also that DE just raised the speed limit on I-95 south of Wilmington to 65 last year.  I would not expect too much else from them.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #710 on: April 28, 2016, 11:11:07 PM »

I don't care what measurement system DE 1 uses, as long as it uses the same one for exit numbers, distance signage, and milemarkers.  Either put the distance signage and milemarkers back to km or switch the exit numbers to miles.  I can work with miles, I can work with km, but I can't convert between the two willy-nilly; when in Canada, I drop the US units and think in metric (where I'm familiar enough with the metric to do that, which in practice means distance signs and speed limits, but not gas stations, weather reports, or thermostats), but with DE 1, one has to constantly convert the km-based exit numbers back to miles in order for them to be useful.  When I traveled that road, I had no reference to neither how close I was to my destination nor how many exits were in between.  At least everywhere else, I'd have one or the other.

And I-95 and I-495 should really be switched off of sequential (I'd like to see exit numbers on I-295 as well).

I remember when it first opened and there were signs like Toll Plaza 500 m......no one knew where the hell that was.  When will you see it?  In half an hour? Around the next bend? 

It would be interesting to see the exits at the north end go from numbers around 100 to the 160s and back to 100.

If DE insists on km exit numbers, they should put the milemarkers on metric as well.  For the distance signs, distances should be listed in both US and metric units.  So signs list  "Main Street 1 mile (1.6 km)" or "Dover 10 miles (16 km)" would probably be the best in this situation.

Wasn't that tried at one point in some state, and found to be much too confusing?

You'll find it near the USA/Canada border on both sides. Quebec and Vermont come to mind.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #711 on: May 19, 2016, 03:05:39 PM »

For those entering Delaware via the Delaware Memorial Bridge, expect some big delays this summer.  The project to widen some of 295 thru the US 13/40 interchange has started.  This limits much of 295 to 3 lanes, vs, the normal 4 lanes.  On 295 South approaching the 13/40 interchange, the 13/40 exit now only has 1 lane, not 2 lanes.  There are 2 tight lanes on 295 over 13/40. On the other side, a 3rd lane appears, but it's a tight shoulder lane which is an Exit Only lane for 495.  95 North splits off from the 2 thru lanes to 95 South. 

The DRBA has done a massively spectacular failure of a job with the road signage when the project first started, although it's now improved a bit.  It was basically: Block the lanes and reconfigure the roadway first, and the signage will come later.

Most everyone is used to getting over to the left-most 2 lanes heading to 95.  When the project first start, the left lane simply ended with cones and concrete barriers, with no signage or warning whatsoever.  Confusion ensued as the former right-center lane now kept motorists on 295, rather than exiting for 13/40.  The overhead BGSs had been removed or slightly modified, but weren't updated with the proper lane configuration.  When you got closer to the 95 North/South exit, it was absolutely impossible to figure out what the lanes were for. 

Today, the first set of overhead signs after the toll booth at least informs motorists the left lane is closed (although I don't think it communicates that the right-center lane is now for 95.  Further down the road, a VMS sign does point to the two lanes that are used to get to 95/495.  Next to that are odd white-on-green 13 & 40 shields with a white-on-green arrow shield pointing to the current right lane, all of which is on a green structure.  Further south is some more signage for "95 Thru-Lanes", with down arrows.

The lane reductions and signage could've been handled much better, and has brought on quite a bit of confusion for motorists, especially those that travel thru this area just a few times a year.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #712 on: May 19, 2016, 11:24:29 PM »

last month I went thru that area and it was a mess, I immediately got off at US 13/40 and took that to DE 1.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #713 on: May 26, 2016, 01:13:42 AM »

Oops.  Due to a surveying error, DelDOT recently rebuilt the bridge on Newport Road over the CSX line 6" too low.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/05/23/newport-bridge-too-low-deldot-must-correct-mistake/84553084/
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #714 on: May 27, 2016, 12:36:25 PM »

Dash cam video of a deadly accident on DE Route 1.  You have to look carefully, but a car going NB crossed thru the median into the SB lanes, where several cars became involved in the accident.   http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/05/27/wilmington-woman-killed-five-car-crash-del-1/85025370/

The median, as you can see, is narrow, with very little recovery room.  There should be a guardrail in this area to prevent these types of accidents.
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« Reply #715 on: May 27, 2016, 01:33:01 PM »

The median, as you can see, is narrow, with very little recovery room.  There should be a guardrail in this area to prevent these types of accidents.

They've had a center cable guardrail completed down to the DE 299 interchange since at least 2012 according to Street View, why they haven't constructed any more is beyond me.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #716 on: June 09, 2016, 03:48:17 PM »

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #717 on: June 10, 2016, 01:11:29 AM »

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
It's doable in nighttime only, but expensive. You have to construct each piece offline to precise tolerances, stage it somewhere, then bring in all the heavy machinery to break out the old pieces and drop in the new. Typically they at least try to get an entire weekend for it. It can't be done in 1 night, but it can be done over the course of several, in the most extreme cases where weekend closures are infeasible and there's no room for a temporary bypass.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #718 on: June 10, 2016, 06:21:56 AM »

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.
It's doable in nighttime only, but expensive. You have to construct each piece offline to precise tolerances, stage it somewhere, then bring in all the heavy machinery to break out the old pieces and drop in the new. Typically they at least try to get an entire weekend for it. It can't be done in 1 night, but it can be done over the course of several, in the most extreme cases where weekend closures are infeasible and there's no room for a temporary bypass.

In this case (I was thru here the other day, as it so happened), from what I can tell all lanes where the overpasses are located are open, just shifted.

The biggest issue is that traffic was already congested here.  So even with construction at night, just the presence of barrels and lane shifts will cause even further congestion.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #719 on: June 10, 2016, 11:52:44 AM »

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/06/09/more-closures-coming-massive-del-141-project/85643364/

141 Closures at and near I-95.

My favorite question that people ask: Why can't they do the work at night?   Hey, if they can remove and replace an entire overpass in 1 night, I'd be very impressed.

Of the various improvements, I noticed the 141 North to 295 North missing move will be added: http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/virtual_wkshp/pdfs/sr141_display_presentation7.pdf

I was trying to see how they are replacing the 141 South overpass over 95/295 North.  Currently, it would be a tight squeeze to get 3 lanes under 141 for 295 North, should they ever widen this notorious bottleneck, especially on weekends/holidays.  Unfortunately, I didn't see any designs for that specifically. (And yeah, we all know about the 95/PA Turnpike connection that may reduce some of this traffic using 295 North to the Turnpike.  It's still a needed widening).

Looking at some of their other documents, it's rare to see DelDOT design and acknowledge a project where a movement is Level F now, and is projected to still be Level F in the future.  But it's one of those things where the rest of the project is an overall benefit, so they'll probably deal with that later.  ( http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/index.shtml , see Capacity Analysis for that specific issue)
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #720 on: June 10, 2016, 06:27:56 PM »

Looking at some of their other documents, it's rare to see DelDOT design and acknowledge a project where a movement is Level F now, and is projected to still be Level F in the future.  But it's one of those things where the rest of the project is an overall benefit, so they'll probably deal with that later.  ( http://www.deldot.gov/information/projects/sr141/archivedsite-sr141-i95/index.shtml , see Capacity Analysis for that specific issue)

Are you sure that's not just for a theoretical no-build option?  I don't see any mention of the improvements on that sheet.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #721 on: June 13, 2016, 05:38:35 PM »

Neat story discussing the effects of duPont Highway, also has a lot of cool construction pictures.

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/life/2016/06/11/99-years-dupont-highway-wagons-bmws/85483090/
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #722 on: June 15, 2016, 11:55:10 AM »

Isnt Dupont Highway US 13? There are signs that say Dupont Highway all the way down US 13 till you reach Sussex county where the name changes to Sussex Highway.

If I remember right US 113 in Georgetown was labeled Dupont Blvd.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #723 on: July 30, 2016, 06:11:41 PM »

Development along a back road into Lewes (New Road) could pull traffic along it up by the bootstraps, as could a proposed interchange at DE 1 in Nassau (between Nassau and U.S. 9/DE 404 is where backups typically begin on summer weekends [just after you pass St. Jude's Church]).

http://www.capegazette.com/article/lewes-releases-consultant-study-roads/111732

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #724 on: August 18, 2016, 01:55:38 PM »

DelDOT released its proposed multi-year Capital Transportation Program.  Projects are sorted in order of priority.

http://deldot.gov/information/pubs_forms/CTP/ctp17-22/FY17-FY22-CTPProposedProjectImplementation.pdf
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