ABC, CBS, FOX & NBC Have Lost More Than 77% Of Their Market Share

[Beltway]

Well, this certainly took a very dark turn.

I'm sitting wondering how the 1970s dating pool is somehow superior than it is today?  At least most people these days don't smoke cigarettes like chimneys. 

Well they didn't cover their bodies with tattoos, nose rings, metal implants, etc. They weren't run though more times than the Holland Tunnel. At least it was just a very small percentage then.

Aww man, did a goth baddie reject you or something?

At my age I would not date a woman young enough to be my granddaughter.

Whatever you have to say to lift your spirits up, playa.

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. That's a normal boundary, not a punchline. The original comment was about generational differences in dating culture -- not about chasing people 40–50 years younger. Let's keep the discussion on the actual topic instead of inventing motives.

[Max Rockatansky]

Well, this certainly took a very dark turn.

I'm sitting wondering how the 1970s dating pool is somehow superior than it is today?  At least most people these days don't smoke cigarettes like chimneys. 

Well they didn't cover their bodies with tattoos, nose rings, metal implants, etc. They weren't run though more times than the Holland Tunnel. At least it was just a very small percentage then.

Aww man, did a goth baddie reject you or something?

At my age I would not date a woman young enough to be my granddaughter.

Whatever you have to say to lift your spirits up, playa.

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. That's a normal boundary, not a punchline. The original comment was about generational differences in dating culture -- not about chasing people 40–50 years younger. Let's keep the discussion on the actual topic instead of inventing motives.

We haven't discussed the actual topic in several pages.  Dating culture and other adjacent topics clearly are gathering more interest.

[Molandfreak]

Well, this certainly took a very dark turn.

I'm sitting wondering how the 1970s dating pool is somehow superior than it is today?  At least most people these days don't smoke cigarettes like chimneys. 

Well they didn't cover their bodies with tattoos, nose rings, metal implants, etc. They weren't run though more times than the Holland Tunnel. At least it was just a very small percentage then.

Aww man, did a goth baddie reject you or something?

At my age I would not date a woman young enough to be my granddaughter.

Whatever you have to say to lift your spirits up, playa.

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. That's a normal boundary, not a punchline. The original comment was about generational differences in dating culture -- not about chasing people 40–50 years younger. Let's keep the discussion on the actual topic instead of inventing motives.

Fine, then your younger friends are just upset that hot alt women are rejecting them. Why does that have to be anyone else's problem, and why are they turning to airing their grievances on Internet forums instead of taking the L and moving on?

[Max Rockatansky]

Me personally I was part of the "dating scene" from 2001 through 2017.  It was harder to find women who were interested in me the years immediately after getting out of high school.  I was way more serious about work and college than people than people my age which probably didn't help me.  Not having a lot money no doubt was a factor in me not spending much time a bars or clubs. 

Once my career got going it was easier to find dates and relationships.  What was interesting for me was that they mostly just kind of developed as opposed to meeting women at a singles bar.  I was no doubt way more confident in myself and where things were going in my life.

I had a couple serious relationships and two where the topic of marriage was considered. For one reason or another those relationships all fizzled out.  For most part the differences between what the women I was dating wanted versus what I wanted was too vast to reconcile. 

When I relocated back to the west coast in 2016 and signed up for online dating.  I listed myself as living in Fresno to purposely avoid people attached to the military base I work at.  I went on dates with two women before I met Jessica in June 2017. 

Jessica and I hit it off pretty quickly as we had a lot of common interests/life goals.  I moved with her in January 2018 and proposed on July 4, 2018.  We eventually got married during April 2019.  I don't recall ever having any particular hesitation about where things were going when I dated Jessica. 

[Beltway]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. That's a normal boundary, not a punchline. The original comment was about generational differences in dating culture -- not about chasing people 40–50 years younger. Let's keep the discussion on the actual topic instead of inventing motives.

Fine, then your younger friends are just upset that hot alt women are rejecting them. Why does that have to be anyone else's problem, and why are they turning to airing their grievances on Internet forums instead of taking the L and moving on?

Nobody is "upset" and nobody is asking anyone else to solve anything. The comment was about generational differences in dating norms -- not about who is or isn't getting attention from "alt women." You're trying to reframe this as some grievance narrative that was never stated. I made one narrow point: I don't date people young enough to be my grandchildren, and the 1970s dating environment was culturally different from today. That's it. If you want to debate the actual topic, fine. If not, there's nothing further to unchuck.

[Molandfreak]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. That's a normal boundary, not a punchline. The original comment was about generational differences in dating culture -- not about chasing people 40–50 years younger. Let's keep the discussion on the actual topic instead of inventing motives.

Fine, then your younger friends are just upset that hot alt women are rejecting them. Why does that have to be anyone else's problem, and why are they turning to airing their grievances on Internet forums instead of taking the L and moving on?

Nobody is "upset" and nobody is asking anyone else to solve anything. The comment was about generational differences in dating norms -- not about who is or isn't getting attention from "alt women." You're trying to reframe this as some grievance narrative that was never stated. I made one narrow point: I don't date people young enough to be my grandchildren, and the 1970s dating environment was culturally different from today. That's it. If you want to debate the actual topic, fine. If not, there's nothing further to unchuck.

Maybe these MGTOW men should just accept the fact that it's not 1970 anymore and women naturally want different things out of a relationship. It's not the "going their own way" part that's the problem, it's the other narratives perpetuated in those spaces like "western women are corrupted by the evil ways of feminism and are not worthy of us, so we are going to traffic women from third world nations so they can be our live-in slaves" that's the problem.

[LilianaUwU]

im surprised im here BEFORE a lock considering whatever the fuck this is

[The_Ginger]

im surprised im here BEFORE a lock considering whatever the fuck this is

I remember back when this thread was on topic and normal. Good old days...

[Scott5114]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

[Max Rockatansky]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

So, you're saying that a 77% reduction in Beltway's post would have made it better...

[Beltway]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

[[ I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. ]]

Not at my age anyway. The largest age difference relationship she was 29 years younger, second was 24 years.

I was still willing to consider having children up to about age 65 or so. Dad lived to 94. But not now, too much stress.

As you know that even in the best of relationships there is a lot of stress.

[Beltway]

Fine, then your younger friends are just upset that hot alt women are rejecting them. Why does that have to be anyone else's problem, and why are they turning to airing their grievances on Internet forums instead of taking the L and moving on?

Nobody is "upset" and nobody is asking anyone else to solve anything. The comment was about generational differences in dating norms -- not about who is or isn't getting attention from "alt women." You're trying to reframe this as some grievance narrative that was never stated. I made one narrow point: I don't date people young enough to be my grandchildren, and the 1970s dating environment was culturally different from today. That's it. If you want to debate the actual topic, fine. If not, there's nothing further to unchuck.

Maybe these MGTOW men should just accept the fact that it's not 1970 anymore and women naturally want different things out of a relationship. It's not the "going their own way" part that's the problem, it's the other narratives perpetuated in those spaces like "western women are corrupted by the evil ways of feminism and are not worthy of us, so we are going to traffic women from third world nations so they can be our live-in slaves" that's the problem.

MGTOW = men no longer interested in relationships, due to experiences in past relationships.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Is there an issue with American men marrying oriental women? They are among the finest women in the world.

I know that the word 'oriental' is considered obsolete, but I used to make clear which nations I am referring to.

[Max Rockatansky]

 

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[Molandfreak]

Yeesh, I can feel the humor being sucked out of the room.

[Bobby5280]

Aww man, did a goth baddie reject you or something?

Just to be clear: there is no legit reason to associate "goth" with anyone younger than the Generation X age range. Goth, particularly the musical acts associated with it, goes back at least as far as the 1980's, if it doesn't touch back into the late 1970's.

Regarding tattoos (as well as piercings) they're so common now that there's really no counter-culture shock value to them anymore. They represent their own kind of conformity. I have nothing against tattoos. I don't have any myself because I can't think of anything I would want to have etched into my skin permanently. For everyone else who wants to get tattoos, be my guest. The throat and face tattoos are a bit much (IMHO).

[Rothman]

Aww man, did a goth baddie reject you or something?

Just to be clear: there is no legit reason to associate "goth" with anyone younger than the Generation X age range. Goth, particularly the musical acts associated with it, goes back at least as far as the 1980's, if it doesn't touch back into the late 1970s

Pfft.  My daughter tried to go Goth.  Led me to suggest some Bauhaus and The Cure albums to her, but the death nail was her mother telling her she was drop dead gorgeous in all black.

Her Goth phase lasted about 24 hours.

[Scott5114]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

[[ I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. ]]

Not at my age anyway. The largest age difference relationship she was 29 years younger, second was 24 years.

I was still willing to consider having children up to about age 65 or so. Dad lived to 94. But not now, too much stress.

As you know that even in the best of relationships there is a lot of stress.

One of the prerequisites to someone dating you is they have to find being around you enjoyable.

[Beltway]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

[[ I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. ]]
Not at my age anyway. The largest age difference relationship she was 29 years younger, second was 24 years.
I was still willing to consider having children up to about age 65 or so. Dad lived to 94. But not now, too much stress.
As you know that even in the best of relationships there is a lot of stress.

One of the prerequisites to someone dating you is they have to find being around you enjoyable.

That's a general condition for any relationship.

It isn't responsive to the point I made about age boundaries and life‑stage stress.

[Molandfreak]

There's nothing to "lift my spirits." I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone

Could have just cut this off here.

[[ I'm simply stating a fact: I don't date anyone young enough to be my granddaughter. ]]
Not at my age anyway. The largest age difference relationship she was 29 years younger, second was 24 years.
I was still willing to consider having children up to about age 65 or so. Dad lived to 94. But not now, too much stress.
As you know that even in the best of relationships there is a lot of stress.

One of the prerequisites to someone dating you is they have to find being around you enjoyable.

That's a general condition for any relationship.

It isn't responsive to the point I made about age boundaries and life‑stage stress.

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[GaryV]

im surprised im here BEFORE a lock considering whatever the fuck this is

There was reference to the frequency of some of that a few pages back ...

[vdeane]

I know that the word 'oriental' is considered obsolete, but I used to make clear which nations I am referring to.

It's so obsolete that I'm not sure exactly which nations you're referring to, and I'm not sure anyone else my ago or younger would either.  All we'd know is <further commentary snipped to keep this thread from getting closer to a lock than it already is>.

[Max Rockatansky]

I know that the word 'oriental' is considered obsolete, but I used to make clear which nations I am referring to.

It's so obsolete that I'm not sure exactly which nations you're referring to, and I'm not sure anyone else my ago or younger would either.  All we'd know is <further commentary snipped to keep this thread from getting closer to a lock than it already is>.

It used to be pretty common to see the term "oriental" in 1980s era Motorweek reviews used in reference to all Asian car manufacturers.  I'm kind of surprised the Motorweek YouTube channel hasn't silenced them out of vintage reviews.

And to answer Beltway's question it is very common for military servicemen to have wife's of Asian descent.  There is a lot American military bases in numerous Asian countries. 

[Rothman]

I know that the word 'oriental' is considered obsolete, but I used to make clear which nations I am referring to.

It's so obsolete that I'm not sure exactly which nations you're referring to, and I'm not sure anyone else my ago or younger would either.  All we'd know is <further commentary snipped to keep this thread from getting closer to a lock than it already is>.

It used to be pretty common to see the term "oriental" in 1980s era Motorweek reviews used in reference to all Asian car manufacturers.  I'm kind of surprised the Motorweek YouTube channel hasn't silenced them out of vintage reviews.

And to answer Beltway's question it is very common for military servicemen to have wife's of Asian descent.  There is a lot American military bases in numerous Asian countries. 

The context of how we got to debating "oriental" is a little eyebrow-raising.

[Beltway]

I know that the word 'oriental' is considered obsolete, but I used to make clear which nations I am referring to.

It's so obsolete that I'm not sure exactly which nations you're referring to, and I'm not sure anyone else my ago or younger would either.  All we'd know is <further commentary snipped to keep this thread from getting closer to a lock than it already is>.

In older American usage, the term "Oriental" referred specifically to the eastern and southeastern regions of Asia. It was never a precise ethnographic label, but geographically it meant East Asia and Southeast Asia. In that sense, it covered the nations of China, Japan, Korea (North and South), Taiwan, and sometimes Mongolia, along with the Southeast Asian countries of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar (Burma), Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines. That was the functional scope of the term as it appeared in mid‑20th‑century American writing, maps, and government documents before it fell out of use.

They are commonly called "Asian" today, but I don't like the term "Asian" because it's far too broad to be meaningful. It lumps together more than fifty countries across East Asia, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, Western Asia, and even most of Russia's landmass. These regions contain completely different languages, cultures, histories, and ethnic groups, many of which have no connection to one another beyond sharing the same continent. Using one umbrella term for such an enormous range of peoples makes the word imprecise to the point of being uninformative. When I'm talking about a specific part of the world, I prefer terminology that actually identifies the region I mean rather than a continental label that covers everything from Japan to India to Saudi Arabia to Kazakhstan to Siberia.