Florida

[florida]

There are some funky custom fonts, which have no explanation.

Here are some examples, this is on Bennett Road south at SR 50 here in Orlando.


Gadsden County on CR 65B (south of Quincy). This one looks like the SR 44 & Clara Ave intersection picture.


This was in Clearwater. There are three key 'blobs'.




Do states get new MUTCD compliances a bit early? So they could ready themselves for changes. It does sound like FL to use up stock (like with the colored shields). There are many variants to the SR shields here. I'd like to dig deeper and find out when they were phased in/out.

[agentsteel53]

the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.

[FLRoads]

I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos

[florida]

the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.

I can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area 

I got to thinking about it last night, and those shields could have well been there (maybe an early form of carbon-copying?) in 1948 in time for that year's MUTCD to come out. Things could have changed the next year or by 1950, because those small SR shields with FLORIDA on them were on other pictures dated up until the mid-1950s. There are county maps with a revised date of 1946, showing the original renumbering, but they were delayed in being signed in the field....just like with US highways. It just makes sense.

I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos

She was lucky! What it would have been like to travel around back in the 30s and 40s, and see those defunct routes. There's a good two+ hours of searching through them. Some were labelled as FDOT Box 1 and Box 2....there must be more boxes. Did you see the pictures of 2-lane US 1 south of Miami?  And the small slab of pavement for the S-routes?

[agentsteel53]

the 1948 MUTCD specified big shields for junctions, little ones for reassurance.  So that 50 junction is signed correctly by 1948 standards.  Please do check if they have a date stamp on the back!

[FLRoads]

I can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 

[florida]

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 

That set has been there since I've been here (at least) in 2005. Were there really standard shields at that intersection? On the 3-di plan maps from FDOT, Bennett Road was part of Proposed SR 551, and I always thought it was tied to that.

[FLRoads]

Maybe I just never paid that much attention when I was at that intersection, but I swore I remember standard shields there, and I lived there from 2004 to 2008.

So Bennett was once proposed as S.R. 551 before Goldenrod took the number? Do you have a copy or any access to that 3-di map? I'd be interested to see it

[florida]

I'll dig it out and take some photos of it. They have handwritten dates from the mid-80s and all the "proposals" and "plans", plus what was state maintained and secondary maintained/county assumed at that time. A guy at the TSO office used them for references and such.

I emailed a guy in District 5 about them and he said there was no such thing, that he'd been working in the district for 20 years. So....

They are interesting to look at.

[FLRoads]

Hmmm, interesting. I would definitely like to see that 

[florida]

[thomasvista]

Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

[florida]

Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

[agentsteel53]

so what's gonna happen to that US cutout???

[rickmastfan67]

Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

[florida]

Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them    Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.

[rickmastfan67]

Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them    Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.

Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....

[Alex]

State unveils plan to build higher I-395 in Miami
Replacing outdated Interstate 395 with a higher, more pleasing elevated roadway will help repair Overtown, state officials say, but some at a public hearing remain unconvinced.

After years of study and delay, Florida Department of Transportation officials are moving ahead with a plan to tear down and replace the entire 1.2-mile Miami highway, which connects Interstate 95 and State Road 836 with the MacArthur Causeway. They say the current road is poorly designed, overburdened, structurally deficient and a source of blight.

The new highway would be built just to the north of the existing I-395, so that the current expressway could stay open during construction of its replacement. That, however, would require the state to buy or take some 62 private properties through eminent domain, meaning the relocation of 10 families and five businesses.

[florida]

Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....

Agree with that. It is a huge mess with 7 different exits in ~2 miles, plus construction. If 351A comes before 352A, would they going to renumber all the exits when the project is finished? There are two sets of A-D exits right after each other.

[Larbearfl]

Someone, get a ruler:

http://www.wftv.com/news/20605458/detail.html

[florida]

It can't even be opened until the rest of the widening out to SR 417 is finished. But, something should be done about the uneven pavement, especially on EB SR 50.

[florida]

There is a whole other section of intact brick roadway parallel to US 92 in the Tiger Bay WMA west of Daytona Beach. I found it accidentally on Google Maps.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=daytona+beach,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=29.127834,-81.166821&spn=0.018069,0.038495&z=15&iwloc=A

The jail and Red John Road are in the extreme right top corner

[rickmastfan67]

Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun.

[florida]

Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun.

I've got a picture of the SB one from April, it is button-copy..both of them. The Owens Road plaque is also button-copy. 

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Had to take a family member down to Port St. Lucie, so I jaunted around Stuart, Ft. Pierce and Vero Beach. Just some notes (pictures come later) :

-SR 707 is still signed south to the drawbridge on the St. Lucie River. And, they have completely changed out all the old signage at the intersection with CR 723 (including the "C 723" in a FL shield  ) since the truncation of SR 707, but they made carbon copies of the signage on the SR 732 Causeway westbound.
-SR 732 (Jensen Beach Blvd) is signed with SR Junction shields on US 1, but the trailblazers are CR shields.  A LGS is up on CR 723 north at SR 732. Apparently, CR 707A is still "signed" east from that intersection.
-Martin County LOVES roundabouts.
-The new bridge on SR 732 is a huge improvement over the old drawbridge.
-There is a lone eastbound SR 716 shield on the west side of the Turnpike, after Cameo Rd.
-All of the button-copy guide signs on SR 614 at I-95 have been replaced. Was hoping there was at least one left.
-Be careful if you drive on Indian River CR 5A from Gifford to Wabasso. Had an officer pull out and tail me between Winter Beach and Wabasso.
-SR 510 has complete signage at both ends of the Wabasso-to-Orchid causeway.

[Alps]

While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.