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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2100 on: November 20, 2020, 11:40:47 AM »

I can think of another complication there: the gantry between 25 and 24 is east of the Guilderland (eastbound) Service Area. Consider this scenario:

• Alice enters at 25A, exits at 25, does some business in Schenectady, re-enters at 25, and exits at 24.

• Bob enters at 25A, has a leisurely lunch at the Service Area, and exits at 24.

As I understand it, Alice should not be charged for the 25A to 25 trip, and should be charged for the separate 25 to 24 trip; while Bob’s trip should be completely free no matter how slowly he ate his McNuggets. But how would the mainline gantries tell them apart?

It won't. Service areas allow 4 hour parking, so they would theoretically need to allow travel time between gantries + 4 hours for free passage.

I've car camped (>6 hours) before and after the NYSTA conversion and have had no issues.

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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2101 on: November 20, 2020, 12:58:12 PM »

Outside of my area, 50 might be down by the weekend, with that crew moving to 55 next week to get that done before the holiday.

You would be right about 50

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I can't wait to drive through there with the booths gone. It will be interesting to see how the signage and lane configurations for Exit 50 are handled. I'd like to see six lanes extended to Exit 49, but I'm not holding my breath, at least for now.
Yeah, it doesn't look like they have plans to.  I don't believe those gantries are wide enough, and page 10 of their terminus concept plans actually has the westbound approach reduced in width from the existing three lanes to two (even though there is probably enough room to strip in a third WB lane under NY 277; the span of the bridge over the EB lanes doesn't look like it's wider than the span over the WB lanes, anyways, and the WB lanes look a little wide on street view).
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« Reply #2102 on: November 20, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »

Interesting. I can think of several locations where that could work nicely (Exit 44, for example), but the termini of I-490 aren't among them because of the close proximity of Exits 1 and 29, respectively.

Exit 1 is too close, but I think 29 is just far enough away for it to work. The bigger obstacle would be the simple fact that only one lane exists for EB through movements.

Why does Exit 45 advance signage not mention NY 96? Will it mention it once the toll plazas are removed?

My guess is that NY 96 doesn't serve any substantially different destinations than I-490 does (that aren't also served by other exits, such as 44).
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2103 on: November 20, 2020, 04:27:25 PM »

Exit 1 is too close, but I think 29 is just far enough away for it to work. The bigger obstacle would be the simple fact that only one lane exists for EB through movements.

Yeah, that is definitely the biggest issue there, which is why I think the EB ramp should be widened regardless, but especially once the booths come down.


Yeah, it doesn't look like they have plans to.  I don't believe those gantries are wide enough, and page 10 of their terminus concept plans actually has the westbound approach reduced in width from the existing three lanes to two (even though there is probably enough room to strip in a third WB lane under NY 277; the span of the bridge over the EB lanes doesn't look like it's wider than the span over the WB lanes, anyways, and the WB lanes look a little wide on street view).

At the very least, it would make sense to keep it three lanes westbound from where the current third lane begins to Exit 50. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any reason why you couldn't fit a third lane under NY 277. After all, they already did just that on the eastbound side. The current two westbound lanes have always struck me as extra-wide, too.
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« Reply #2104 on: November 21, 2020, 06:06:43 PM »

To continue the play-by-play of the Exit 24 toll plaza demolition, as of this afternoon, all traffic in both directions was going through the middle 7 lanes, which are the only ones still standing.  They've been working from both ends.

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« Reply #2105 on: November 21, 2020, 08:22:39 PM »

Interesting.  When I went through there, WB traffic was being routed around the booths.  It was nice to not go through them.

Meanwhile at exit 45, the booths are gone and traffic is in the final lane configuration, though paving hasn't been done yet.  It's really nice (especially since I nearly always had to deal with some slowpoke at these two interchanges), but it does make entering and exiting the Thruway anti-climatic.  The experience is more like the Buffalo and downstate portions, where it's just another road that happens to be maintained by a different organization.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2106 on: November 21, 2020, 08:32:45 PM »

To continue the play-by-play of the Exit 24 toll plaza demolition, as of this afternoon, all traffic in both directions was going through the middle 7 lanes, which are the only ones still standing.  They've been working from both ends.

I either didn't observe the situation correctly earlier or it changed by the time I went back through getting on the Thruway, because I went around the remaining booths.  I'm guessing I just didn't notice where the oncoming traffic was going earlier.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2107 on: November 23, 2020, 10:25:33 AM »

I was going to post about how NYSTA is handling the barrier arrangement in the Albany area...but it's taking them forever to post tolls. My trip from the 14th has yet to post to my E-ZPass account and the pay by plate lookup also has nothing.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2108 on: November 23, 2020, 11:05:28 AM »

I was going to post about how NYSTA is handling the barrier arrangement in the Albany area...but it's taking them forever to post tolls. My trip from the 14th has yet to post to my E-ZPass account and the pay by plate lookup also has nothing.

Some places (particularly thinking of the 10˘ tolls in Rhode Island that have since been removed) don't charge you until you reach a certain amount of money owed.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2109 on: November 23, 2020, 12:38:01 PM »

Some places (particularly thinking of the 10˘ tolls in Rhode Island that have since been removed) don't charge you until you reach a certain amount of money owed.

NYSTA posts everything to the account. Even the $0 toll for 24-25A.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2110 on: November 23, 2020, 02:24:57 PM »

More play-by-play for those interested.  As of early afternoon today.  I entered at 25 for the first time since the switchover.  There are just two toll booth lanes remaining, the far rightmost for exiting traffic.  Completely free flowing for entering.  Nice!

Exiting at 24, all traffic was funneled to two lanes in the middle of the portion of the plaza that remains standing.  Looks like it's close to being ready to shift exiting traffic around the remaining plaza lanes.

This seems to me to be really impressive progress.  Maybe it's easier than the Mass Pike plaza removals because they had tunnels under the plazas there, if I am remembering correctly.  States/agencies that take forever to remove plazas after an AET switchover should hang their heads in shame...
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2111 on: November 23, 2020, 02:59:41 PM »

Maybe it's easier than the Mass Pike plaza removals because they had tunnels under the plazas there, if I am remembering correctly.  States/agencies that take forever to remove plazas after an AET switchover should hang their heads in shame...

24 at least has a utility tunnel underneath, but they seem to just be abandoning that in place for the time being. A utility tunnel with no surface access other than from the admin building is certainly easier to cover up and built around than something workers use to access the booths.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2112 on: November 23, 2020, 04:36:13 PM »

Here is an update on 16:  The right hand lanes remain Exit 16 only with the former E-ZPass lanes being for all through traffic with no signage indicating that for them.  Surprisingly there is a VMS in the vicinity which could readily be used to provide this information.  However, it only displays still another COVID message.

How many motorists heading for Albany have found themselves on the Quickway?  That's anyone's guess.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2113 on: November 24, 2020, 11:07:10 AM »

Here is an update on 16:  The right hand lanes remain Exit 16 only with the former E-ZPass lanes being for all through traffic with no signage indicating that for them.  Surprisingly there is a VMS in the vicinity which could readily be used to provide this information.  However, it only displays still another COVID message.

How many motorists heading for Albany have found themselves on the Quickway?  That's anyone's guess.

When I drove by last night there was a portable VMS reading (I-87 THRUWAY/2 LEFT LANES) or something along those lines. Still not enough notice in my opinion, but there was one sign.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2114 on: November 24, 2020, 09:55:35 PM »

Maybe there's more happening at 24 than I thought.  Today and tonight there was some major digging going on where the booths were removed closest to to the building.  Maybe the utility tunnel mentioned upthread is being removed?  On the opposite end they quickly patched and paved and moved entering traffic to go around the remaining part of the plaza.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2115 on: November 25, 2020, 09:25:12 AM »

Ok, now that we're cashless, can we PLEASE get the mileposts and exit numbers on I-90 and I-87 fixed once and for all?
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2116 on: November 26, 2020, 04:46:51 PM »

Drove through 24 today and it looked a little different...

Approaching from 87 SB


Oh look, something is missing...


Entering traffic was routed around the remaining booths and is free-flowing. Exiting traffic went through the remaining booths.
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« Reply #2117 on: November 27, 2020, 10:14:00 PM »

My November NYSTA E-ZPass statement was just posted, and I was interested to see how the new tolling would show up.  And... no transactions show up since November 13, the day of the conversion.  I made over a dozen trips on the Thruway since, and figured at least some would make the cut for this one, which says it covers activity up to November 24.  This doesn't look like the result of a smooth conversion...
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« Reply #2118 on: November 27, 2020, 10:24:26 PM »

Not surprising during a period of transition. The charges will probably show up on your next statement.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2119 on: November 27, 2020, 11:00:08 PM »

As of tonight, I have three charges since the transition:

- 24-23, dated November 14, posted yesterday
- 23-B2, dated November 14, posted today
- B1-B3, dated November 14, posted today

The trips that made these tolls were 24-B2 and B1-B3. So, at least right now, the system is listing the "barrier tolls" separately from the virtual ticket sections (of which there are now 5).
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« Reply #2120 on: December 02, 2020, 10:40:45 AM »

I made my first ride to Albany in over a week.  No more toll plaza at 24 this morning.  There's still a ton of construction and debris in the middle of the road, but all traffic is now free flowing.  They really need to straighten out the lane configurations soon, though.  The lanes at least for exiting curve around the remaining construction, and as soon as those get covered by a little snow it will be impossible for anyone to know where they're suppose to be driving.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2121 on: December 06, 2020, 09:49:37 PM »

Some transactions from around Thanksgiving have finally posted to my account in the past two days.  Only some, though.  Just the mainline tolls around Syracuse and west - none of the virtual ticket systems or the mainline tolls around the Capital District have posted.  Looks like they might be having issues, and like they may be processing everything manually for some reason.
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« Reply #2122 on: December 07, 2020, 11:04:56 AM »

Some transactions from around Thanksgiving have finally posted to my account in the past two days.  Only some, though.  Just the mainline tolls around Syracuse and west - none of the virtual ticket systems or the mainline tolls around the Capital District have posted.  Looks like they might be having issues, and like they may be processing everything manually for some reason.
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New York State Thruway Authority says it instituted a delay in posting toll transactions to ensure a smooth transition to the new cashless tolling system.
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Re: New York State Thruway
« Reply #2123 on: December 07, 2020, 02:50:57 PM »

I can think of another complication there: the gantry between 25 and 24 is east of the Guilderland (eastbound) Service Area. Consider this scenario:

• Alice enters at 25A, exits at 25, does some business in Schenectady, re-enters at 25, and exits at 24.

• Bob enters at 25A, has a leisurely lunch at the Service Area, and exits at 24.

As I understand it, Alice should not be charged for the 25A to 25 trip, and should be charged for the separate 25 to 24 trip; while Bob’s trip should be completely free no matter how slowly he ate his McNuggets. But how would the mainline gantries tell them apart?

Why would the driver driving from exit 25A to exit 24 have a free ride, but the driver from exit 25 to 24 still has to pay a toll?  The first driver is driving a longer distance!  This sounds completely backwards!
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« Reply #2124 on: December 07, 2020, 03:09:51 PM »

Why would the driver driving from exit 25A to exit 24 have a free ride, but the driver from exit 25 to 24 still has to pay a toll?  The first driver is driving a longer distance!  This sounds completely backwards!

The compromise for cancelling I-88 east of the Thruway was free passage from I-88 to one of Exit 24, 25, or 26. Basically put in place to avoid a toll trap and discourage people from shunpiking along US 20 or NY 7. Why they kept the toll in place for 24-25 after the conversion is beyond me, as is the reason for placing toll gantries between 25 and 26.
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