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Author Topic: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware  (Read 58398 times)

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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #600 on: July 27, 2019, 09:12:27 PM »

Is this a good alternative to relief traffic from I-95? I hate toll roads but i will use this one if I have to if traffic is backed up on there.

If it's a prime time to head to the beaches (Friday & Saturday), US 50 ain't gonna be any better.  Otherwise, it shouldn't be too bad.

I-95 should get the express lanes extended from white marsh to Delaware. So I gused I-95 is better to use.
I-95 badly needs capacity between Baltimore and Delaware. It drops from 8 lanes to 6 lanes at the MD border toll plazas with no change in traffic volumes. It is always congested and often moves below the speed limit in the 6 lane section. If that requires toll lanes to get it built, so be it. Better than the status quo.
(Or finish the US 1 freeway from PA to Bel Air. But that's fictional now.)

After the lane drop at MD 24, traffic normally picks up shortly thereafter until the Susquehanna River Bridge and toll plaza.  Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #601 on: July 27, 2019, 09:20:14 PM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #602 on: July 27, 2019, 10:21:57 PM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge

Speaking of that, I'm not sure why Google Maps doesn't have a street view on it.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #603 on: July 27, 2019, 11:20:42 PM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge

Speaking of that, I'm not sure why Google Maps doesn't have a street view on it.
The agencies that maintain the bridges and tunnels in NYC do NOT like photography of their crossings.  They probably had Google take it down.  At one time they were even harassing tourists taking pictures from parks and whatnot.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #604 on: July 27, 2019, 11:21:40 PM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge

Speaking of that, I'm not sure why Google Maps doesn't have a street view on it.
The agencies that maintain the bridges and tunnels in NYC do NOT like photography of their crossings.  They probably had Google take it down.  At one time they were even harassing tourists taking pictures from parks and whatnot.
IIRC, George Washington Bridge is maintained by New Jersey, not MTA.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #605 on: July 27, 2019, 11:30:35 PM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge

Speaking of that, I'm not sure why Google Maps doesn't have a street view on it.
The agencies that maintain the bridges and tunnels in NYC do NOT like photography of their crossings.  They probably had Google take it down.  At one time they were even harassing tourists taking pictures from parks and whatnot.

That sucks that there's restrictions. They are like India where they say NO to street view.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #606 on: July 28, 2019, 12:18:28 AM »

Maybe instituting cashless tolling will help?
The same way I feel about the George Washington Bridge

Speaking of that, I'm not sure why Google Maps doesn't have a street view on it.
The agencies that maintain the bridges and tunnels in NYC do NOT like photography of their crossings.  They probably had Google take it down.  At one time they were even harassing tourists taking pictures from parks and whatnot.
IIRC, George Washington Bridge is maintained by New Jersey, not MTA.
I'm pretty sure PANYNJ is not too happy about photography either.  The same thing happens with the Outerbridge and Bayonne Bridge.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #607 on: July 28, 2019, 07:02:17 AM »

That sucks that there's restrictions. They are like India where they say NO to street view.

Do you have a source for India banning GSV?
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #609 on: July 29, 2019, 09:16:32 AM »

IIRC, George Washington Bridge is maintained by New Jersey, not MTA.
Actually, it's maintained/managed by the PANYNJ.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #610 on: July 29, 2019, 10:57:39 AM »

^ In part because PANYNJ has jurisdiction over all crossings on the lower 25 miles of the Hudson.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #611 on: July 29, 2019, 11:04:16 AM »

All river crossings between NJ and NY, PA & DE are maintained by bi-state or independent agencies.  The only exception may be the NJ/PA Turnpike Bridge, in which case each agency does routine maintenance on their side of the bridge, and the NJ Turnpike Authority executes control over large-scale projects, with the PTC kicking in 50% of the cost.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #612 on: September 07, 2019, 12:14:23 AM »

I drove on the 301 & I noticed a sign on the shoulder saying “soft shoulder” what does that mean? & why would that be allowed.



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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #613 on: September 07, 2019, 12:38:10 AM »

I drove on the 301 & I noticed a sign on the shoulder saying “soft shoulder” what does that mean? & why would that be allowed.
I think it has something to do with the pavement depth on the shoulder, I'm not really sure.

A "soft shoulder" sign also exists down here in my neck of the woods along the VA-168 Chesapeake Expressway - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6808145,-76.2289041,3a,63y,197.84h,82.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQbTpuBiyGgrWHJGUKzeGwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Similarly, a fully paved 10 ft shoulder is still provided albeit the signage.

Not aware of any others anywhere else really.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #614 on: September 07, 2019, 12:52:39 AM »

I think it has something to do with the pavement depth on the shoulder, I'm not really sure.
A "soft shoulder" sign also exists down here in my neck of the woods along the VA-168 Chesapeake Expressway - https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6808145,-76.2289041,3a,63y,197.84h,82.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQbTpuBiyGgrWHJGUKzeGwg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1  Similarly, a fully paved 10 ft shoulder is still provided albeit the signage.
The grassed area outside of the paved shoulder is considered part of the highway shoulder, up to where the fill slope drops off, at least with that particular typical section.

The "soft shoulder" sign is planted in the grassed area, and I believe this means (at least from what I can see there) that drivers are being warned that the grassed area is too soft to stop on without risking sinking into the earth and getting stuck.  You could try stopping there and test it for yourself!
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #615 on: September 09, 2019, 09:09:35 AM »

I drove on the 301 & I noticed a sign on the shoulder saying “soft shoulder” what does that mean? & why would that be allowed.
I thought it had something to do with the road being relatively new and the pavement not hardening yet or something like that (but I'm not an engineer).

But now looking at the video I took when it first opened, I can see that the shoulder is still relatively narrow (note, I am linking to a YouTube video, you would need to pause it immediately).
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #616 on: September 09, 2019, 02:25:47 PM »

Is there any US 301 signage remain on the roadways that were part of US 301 prior to the opening of the toll road?
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #617 on: September 09, 2019, 02:34:28 PM »

I guess that is a good explanation. The shoulder is narrow so that is most likely the reason. I just never saw a sign like that before.


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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #618 on: September 09, 2019, 08:38:08 PM »

Is there any US 301 signage remain on the roadways that were part of US 301 prior to the opening of the toll road?

I'm too lazy to check back and verify, but I am sure it was all gone by my roadtrip down there back on February 2nd.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #619 on: September 10, 2019, 08:43:43 AM »

Is there any US 301 signage remain on the roadways that were part of US 301 prior to the opening of the toll road?
None that I'm aware of, but I haven't been paying too much attention.  I feel like the signs on US-40 and DE-896 at their intersection have had references to 301 removed or at least modified.  I know this erroneous sign on US-13 that has always mentioned US-301 South at DE-896 is still there.  I know the Exit 142 advances on DE-1 have had references to 301 removed (now they just reference DE-896 only).

Also, I'm pretty sure that DE-896 south of the Summit Bridge no longer has a reference to US-301.
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« Reply #620 on: September 10, 2019, 06:46:47 PM »

Is there any US 301 signage remain on the roadways that were part of US 301 prior to the opening of the toll road?
None that I'm aware of, but I haven't been paying too much attention.  I feel like the signs on US-40 and DE-896 at their intersection have had references to 301 removed or at least modified.  I know this erroneous sign on US-13 that has always mentioned US-301 South at DE-896 is still there.  I know the Exit 142 advances on DE-1 have had references to 301 removed (now they just reference DE-896 only).

Also, I'm pretty sure that DE-896 south of the Summit Bridge no longer has a reference to US-301.

I remember seeing the US 301 references covered on the overheads at the US 40/DE 896 intersection.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #622 on: October 15, 2019, 11:39:58 PM »

I know this erroneous sign on US-13 that has always mentioned US-301 South at DE-896 is still there.

That is a carbon copy of a sign (if not a second carbon copy) of a sign that was added in the early 1990s when U.S. 301 made that turn.

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« Reply #623 on: October 15, 2019, 11:45:35 PM »

I know this erroneous sign on US-13 that has always mentioned US-301 South at DE-896 is still there.

That is a carbon copy of a sign (if not a second carbon copy) of a sign that was added in the early 1990s when U.S. 301 made that turn.
IIRC that sign has been replaced with a big one.


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« Reply #624 on: October 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM »

I took a trip up to Brandywine Creek State Park today and saw that DelDOT has installed new advance signs for the US-301 interchange on DE-1 SB.

Just before the Roth Bridge is a sign for Exit 148 (US-13 South St Georges, 1 1/4 miles) and Exit 147 (US-301 Toll South, 2 miles).  Just after the Roth Bridge is an "exit now" sign for Exit 148 (presumably, it's covered with the "old" sign still up) and 3/4 mile for Exit 147.  On at least one of the gantries was a sign warning that the far left lane was going to be E-ZPass only when the toll plaza was coming.

DelDOT still has yet to remove the existing DE-1 toll sign that exists at the approach to the Roth Bridge (the one that says either $1 or $3) that blocks the newer "DE-1 TOLL" sign (which is white and has a cutout for the toll amounts).
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