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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1250 on: February 18, 2020, 02:12:25 PM »

"not being purple means they have front plates there"?

White ... states ... have to have a front plate.

Those are not opposites.  They mean the same thing.

I'm sure NY does.

Right.  Which is why it's both "not being purple" and also "white".
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« Reply #1251 on: February 18, 2020, 02:45:06 PM »

Those are not opposites.  They mean the same thing.
I'm sure NY does.
Right.  Which is why it's both "not being purple" and also "white".

OK, OK, so I agree with that, but I guess I was not aware that you had reversed your position since your original statement:

Whereas it not being purple* means they don't have front plates there.
*that is, being white



So, please accept my apologies for making something that shouldn't have been confusing in the first place even more confusing.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1252 on: February 18, 2020, 03:04:47 PM »

Actually, looking back more closely, it's my bad.  I didn't realize that jakeroot was actually correcting me, not merely clarifying.  Your bolding my "don't" in that quote highlights what I typed wrong.  I should have eliminated that word.

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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1253 on: February 18, 2020, 03:36:57 PM »

Phew. I thought I was losing my mind.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1254 on: February 18, 2020, 03:41:09 PM »

Phew. I thought I was losing my mind.

Well, you weren't not losing your mind.*


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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1255 on: February 18, 2020, 04:30:25 PM »

I didn't realize that jakeroot was actually correcting me, not merely clarifying. 

Me either... at least at first.
But, no worries, all isn't not well that ends well.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1256 on: February 29, 2020, 01:51:48 PM »

So the new blue Ontario plates have had so many issues with readability that the provincial government is temporarily discontinuing them and returning to the old plates while they wait for a new, enhanced batch to arrive. They're also going to replace the 71,000 blue plates that have already been issued free of charge: https://www.cp24.com/news/province-to-start-replacing-71-000-faulty-license-plates-next-month-1.4832054

Bet the first run blue plates will become quite a collector's item!
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1257 on: March 01, 2020, 06:24:22 PM »

Embarrassed as I am for errors in what I did before, I began from scratch with a new design approach that should increase salience and increase comprehension. Its not done obviously, but I took feedback from the previous responses. I hope this is more effective. (The duplicate legend on the middle right will go away. It's only for copy-paste)...and it will be bigger and more readable than this.


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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1258 on: March 02, 2020, 11:14:09 AM »

Is this still supposed to include inspection stickers? Because if so you're missing the windshield sticker for MA.

You're also showing 2 windshield stickers for NH, but NH only requires the 1 inspection sticker on the windshield.

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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1259 on: March 02, 2020, 02:56:40 PM »

So the new blue Ontario plates have had so many issues with readability that the provincial government is temporarily discontinuing them and returning to the old plates while they wait for a new, enhanced batch to arrive. They're also going to replace the 71,000 blue plates that have already been issued free of charge: https://www.cp24.com/news/province-to-start-replacing-71-000-faulty-license-plates-next-month-1.4832054

Bet the first run blue plates will become quite a collector's item!

It amazes me that they don't field test this stuff better.   Several states have had readability issues in the last few years that have required re-designing plates.   However, to my knowledge, this is the first time the design was so bad that they are actually recalling and reissuing plates.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1260 on: March 02, 2020, 03:11:58 PM »

So the new blue Ontario plates have had so many issues with readability that the provincial government is temporarily discontinuing them and returning to the old plates while they wait for a new, enhanced batch to arrive. They're also going to replace the 71,000 blue plates that have already been issued free of charge: https://www.cp24.com/news/province-to-start-replacing-71-000-faulty-license-plates-next-month-1.4832054

Bet the first run blue plates will become quite a collector's item!

It amazes me that they don't field test this stuff better.   Several states have had readability issues in the last few years that have required re-designing plates.   However, to my knowledge, this is the first time the design was so bad that they are actually recalling and reissuing plates.
It is called agile development methodology
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1261 on: March 02, 2020, 03:19:22 PM »

What are the x1 x2 columns supposed to indicate? Wisconsin has no inspection sticker. Any regions of the state with emissions checks has the process tied to the registration sticker, of which there is only one on the rear plate.
I thought those are years; sticker valid for 1 or 2 years respectively

Then it's that much more incorrect for WI. Are there any states with 2-year validations for regular vehicles?
Louisiana does https://www.dmv.org/la-louisiana/registration-renewal.php
Louisiana registration stickers are 2 years for passenger cars and 4 years for non-commercial pickup trucks.

Inspection stickers (known as "brake tags" in the New Orleans area) can be for 1 year or 2 years on non-commercial vehicles.  It is the option of the purchaser -- except in the five-parish area around Baton Rouge, where annual emission checks are required so all inspection stickers there are one year only.  It can get confusing, especially for LSU students from outside the Baton Rouge area.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1262 on: March 02, 2020, 04:13:48 PM »

good info - makes it less clear-cut. And this, again, is for nobody but myself. So....its difficult.

My goal, ultimately, in a perfect world. would be to demonstrate to other states why moving to a single sticker for everything is cost-effective. NC's month sticker was a one-and-done, but the eliminated it altogether to save money. If you still see it, its because they never removed it, but the stopped issuing them. Other states could follow suit.

So it was, best case scenario, to show other states how they can save time and money by streamlining the stickers. But NY gets weird bc they're 2 yr for reg and 1 for inspection.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1263 on: March 02, 2020, 04:41:52 PM »

good info - makes it less clear-cut. And this, again, is for nobody but myself. So....its difficult.

My goal, ultimately, in a perfect world. would be to demonstrate to other states why moving to a single sticker for everything is cost-effective. NC's month sticker was a one-and-done, but the eliminated it altogether to save money. If you still see it, its because they never removed it, but the stopped issuing them. Other states could follow suit.

So it was, best case scenario, to show other states how they can save time and money by streamlining the stickers. But NY gets weird bc they're 2 yr for reg and 1 for inspection.
Single sticker for everything - as in combining state licensing powers with mechanical inspection outsourced to private mechanics?  I don't quite see that as those are significantly different processes from the bureaucratic perspective.
As for stickers themselves - NY, for one, has paper stickers attached from inside, so cost of sticker itself is pretty low. It is either licensing or inspection procedure or charge which cost probably 1000x of sticker value.

As for the map - overlaying inspection requirements may be another thing you want to do. Mechanical inspection is not required in all states; and that removes a layer of stickers and procedures.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1264 on: March 02, 2020, 06:59:19 PM »

That's what I'm trying to capture. What I could use is a delineation for what is what, but NY is shown to have 2 because of inspection and registration. NC has the one sticker now.

I guess what I'm after is sticker count. It seems that many states are out to simplify the process and/or reduce the number of vinyl reflective stickers. I know Texas went to one.

I really know less about the process or methods and rationale behind the process than I should. But it's probably a nerdy-OCD-Aspergsey thing in me to just like consistency and simplification. I'm all about innovation, but equally into standardization and I know for a fact NC's change came as a result of reducing costs. I was (perhaps erroneously) applying that same thought-process to other states to see if they can reduce costs within their own system using the same methods.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1265 on: March 03, 2020, 10:11:08 AM »

I haven't tried to follow the whole thread. What is the map intended to show? The number of state-mandated decals you must have on your car? In Virginia, the way it is supposed to work is that you have two plates (front and rear) and each of them has a "month" sticker on the left and a "year" sticker on the right (whether top left/right or bottom left/right may vary depending on the specific plate design). I say that's how it's "supposed to work" because a lot of people seem unable to grasp this simple concept and come up with all sorts of weird incorrect ways to apply the decals. Meanwhile, there is also a state safety inspection decal that is not tied to the registration process; it goes at the lower driver's-side corner of the windshield (used to go in the bottom center until two years ago).

Some Virginia counties and cities still mandate a local registration decal, but that's not a state requirement and is not universal.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1266 on: March 03, 2020, 10:27:43 AM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.
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« Reply #1267 on: March 03, 2020, 10:41:20 AM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post? On my screen, we are currently on page 26 of this thread. I have it set to load the maximum number of posts per page that it permits simply to reduce the number of pages I have to click through to view a thread.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1268 on: March 03, 2020, 10:57:33 AM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post?
Reply #1221.
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« Reply #1269 on: March 03, 2020, 12:41:10 PM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post? On my screen, we are currently on page 26 of this thread. I have it set to load the maximum number of posts per page that it permits simply to reduce the number of pages I have to click through to view a thread.
Default is 25 posts per page, max is 50, so divide by 2 and round up would seem to be a good conversion factor.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1270 on: March 03, 2020, 01:04:23 PM »

That's what I'm trying to capture. What I could use is a delineation for what is what, but NY is shown to have 2 because of inspection and registration. NC has the one sticker now.

I guess what I'm after is sticker count. It seems that many states are out to simplify the process and/or reduce the number of vinyl reflective stickers. I know Texas went to one.

I really know less about the process or methods and rationale behind the process than I should. But it's probably a nerdy-OCD-Aspergsey thing in me to just like consistency and simplification. I'm all about innovation, but equally into standardization and I know for a fact NC's change came as a result of reducing costs. I was (perhaps erroneously) applying that same thought-process to other states to see if they can reduce costs within their own system using the same methods.
These are good enough reasons for this forum!

As for stickers.. Let me compare NY (first hand) and TX (from what I read). I would say it is similar.
in both cases you need to do an annual inspection first, that instantly goes into DMV database, and a printed report (optional in NY) is handed to car owner. NY also issues a sticker  at that point.
When registration is up for renewal, DMV looks up valid inspection and (dis)allows registration based on that.

Role of sticker in NY, then, is to allow law enforcement - and driver - to look at inspection due date without database access, as two may not be synchronized (my inspection is due in April, while registration is in October), and there are 2 inspection cycles per registration period.  Although I, as an owner, get a flurry of e-mailed reminders whenever my inspection is due - so sticker is only that useful. Not everyone is registered for DMV e-mails, though.
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Re: License Plate News
« Reply #1271 on: March 03, 2020, 01:13:24 PM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post? On my screen, we are currently on page 26 of this thread. I have it set to load the maximum number of posts per page that it permits simply to reduce the number of pages I have to click through to view a thread.
Default is 25 posts per page, max is 50, so divide by 2 and round up would seem to be a good conversion factor.

That would have required too much thought, plus I didn't remember what the default was anyway.

Regarding the stickers in DC, the registration appears on a windshield sticker, and that sticker also contains additional information like which residential parking zone, if any, the car has a permit for. When DC first went to the windshield sticker, the city's parking enforcement started ticketing their own residents for having expired license plates. Shortly thereafter, the DMV issued supplemental stickers saying "See Window Sticker" to put on the plates.
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« Reply #1272 on: March 03, 2020, 01:21:47 PM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post? On my screen, we are currently on page 26 of this thread. I have it set to load the maximum number of posts per page that it permits simply to reduce the number of pages I have to click through to view a thread.
Default is 25 posts per page, max is 50, so divide by 2 and round up would seem to be a good conversion factor.

That would have required too much thought, plus I didn't remember what the default was anyway.
Forgive me but did you not see Reply #1268 for the posted answer?  Which is Reply #1221.
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« Reply #1273 on: March 03, 2020, 06:47:16 PM »

Yes, the idea (in the original post, pg 49) was that it was to show how many inspection and registration stickers go on the vehicle. Texas and NC went to a single sticker, so I wanted to show what each state was doing.

It's surprisingly hard to figure out, but this is an esoteric interest.

Thanks for the clarification.

What reply number is the original post? On my screen, we are currently on page 26 of this thread. I have it set to load the maximum number of posts per page that it permits simply to reduce the number of pages I have to click through to view a thread.
Default is 25 posts per page, max is 50, so divide by 2 and round up would seem to be a good conversion factor.

That would have required too much thought, plus I didn't remember what the default was anyway.
Forgive me but did you not see Reply #1268 for the posted answer?  Which is Reply #1221.

Yeah, I saw it. Does that mean I should have ignored vdeane's comment?
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« Reply #1274 on: March 03, 2020, 08:22:02 PM »

That would have required too much thought, plus I didn't remember what the default was anyway.
Yeah, I just happened to see that my page count (having never changed that setting) was close to double your's, and took a look at the setting to verify before posting.
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