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I-276 in New Jersey?

Started by Michael in Philly, June 19, 2012, 12:20:57 PM

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SteveG1988

I was on it the other day, the NB exit 6 arrow is way off, i did not have my phonecamera ready, but it is a bit too angular looking.
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swbrotha100

Quote from: deanej on June 30, 2012, 11:07:10 AM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 29, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
Is prematurely signing any of I-95 on the southern portion of the NJ Turnpike a way for the state to make up for not building the planned Somerset stretch?
It's not prematurely signed.  South of exit 7A, it's a hidden interstate to avoid motorist confusion, but it was designated by the FHWA because there's no upgrades needed on that section pertaining to the I-95 designation.

You're correct. The NJDOT website confirms it. The current I-95 around Trenton that's signed is secretly labeled "95M" and the Western Spur of the Turnpike is secretly labeled "95W".

Roadsguy

Quote from: swbrotha100 on July 04, 2012, 05:27:45 AM
the Western Spur of the Turnpike

Do you mean the connector to the PA Turnpike, or the western half where it splits up from I-280 to south of US 46?
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vdeane

I believe he means the western half of the spit; south of exit 6, the Turnpike is just the Turnpike.
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roadman65

In traffic reports and non road geek slang, it means the Exits 15W-16W-18W split to the west of Secaucus which is NJ 95W according to diagrams.
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Beltway

Quote from: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
In traffic reports and non road geek slang, it means the Exits 15W-16W-18W split to the west of Secaucus which is NJ 95W according to diagrams.

How do traffic reporters and NJDOT and NJTPA refer to it?

I have seen in print "easterly alignment" and "westerly alignment".

Technically both are part of mainline I-95.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: Beltway on July 04, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
In traffic reports and non road geek slang, it means the Exits 15W-16W-18W split to the west of Secaucus which is NJ 95W according to diagrams.

How do traffic reporters and NJDOT and NJTPA refer to it?

I have seen in print "easterly alignment" and "westerly alignment".

Technically both are part of mainline I-95.

WCBS-AM (880) says "eastern spur" and "western spur" on its traffic reports.
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swbrotha100

Traffic reporters usually use the terms "western spur" and "eastern spur" of the NJ Turnpike. On the NJDOT straight line diagrams, the PA Turnpike extenstion is officially I-95 already.

It will be interesting to see if any new signage will reflect I-95 when the widening project is finished on the Turnpike (Exits 6 to 8A).

roadman65

Well I always remember it as being Eastern Spur and Western Spur when I was living in the area.  It might of changed since then.

As far as both being part of I-95 you are correct!  However, if you travel the I-95 lanes from the GWB SB, or the Turnpike mainline NB both at the split of the two alignments; you will see I-95 shields for the West roadway.  The East roadway is signed for US 46 and I-80 NB and for Exit 17 SB.  If you enter the NJT from either I-80, US 46, or the Vince Lombardi Plaza you will see the signs for SB I-95(Turnpike Mainline) leading you to the eastern road.  Then "Exit 16W- Rutherford" is signed for the western way.
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Beltway

Interesting that they call it a "spur" when in fact it is not.  They are parallel alignments of the same highway (NJTP and I-95).
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akotchi

Quote from: swbrotha100 on July 04, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Traffic reporters usually use the terms "western spur" and "eastern spur" of the NJ Turnpike. On the NJDOT straight line diagrams, the PA Turnpike extenstion is officially I-95 already.

It will be interesting to see if any new signage will reflect I-95 when the widening project is finished on the Turnpike (Exits 6 to 8A).
There will be no I-95 signage, at least not immediately.  Some panels have spaces reserved for I-95 shields, but they will not be placed until the direct ramp connectors at the Pa Turnpike interchange are complete, and that is about three (or so) years after the NJ widening is complete.
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YankeesFan

so signs like this will remain with no I-95 shields like a normal interstate?




Hot Rod Hootenanny

Quote from: YankeesFan on July 04, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
so signs like this will remain with no I-95 shields like a normal interstate?





What are you talking about? They can squeeze a I-95 shield inbetween the Turnpike marker and the green arrow. :-)
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vdeane

Why not just put the I-95 signs on and cover them?  That way, the sign is designed for them in the first place rather than have to cram in an ugly patch.
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Roadsguy

Or just leave the space. (Enough space, anyway.)
Mileage-based exit numbering implies the existence of mileage-cringe exit numbering.

vdeane

You'd still have an ugly patch though.
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NE2

It's an ugly 50-lane highway. What do you expect?
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Alps

Quote from: Beltway on July 04, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
In traffic reports and non road geek slang, it means the Exits 15W-16W-18W split to the west of Secaucus which is NJ 95W according to diagrams.

How do traffic reporters and NJDOT and NJTPA refer to it?

I have seen in print "easterly alignment" and "westerly alignment".

Technically both are part of mainline I-95.
What you've seen in print are the official designations, but "spur" is the common parlance. Also, not only does the FHWA consider I-95 to officially follow "95W", but the NJTA would most likely sign that as I-95 should the FHWA force them to choose one or the other. In the meantime, the Eastern Spur remains NJ SR 95.

Alps

Quote from: YankeesFan on July 04, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
so signs like this will remain with no I-95 shields like a normal interstate?




Actually, they will use regular entrance signs. So photograph these while you can, they're disappearing.

NJRoadfan

For those wondering, the new pullthrough signs are up at Exit 7A northbound. No I-95 markers, just the Turnpike shield and the silly "THRU TRAFFIC" instead of a control city. The southbound overhead is sitting alongside the roadway and will likely be up shortly.

I don't see why they wouldn't sign I-95 on signs at least in the northbound direction on the mainline. You are north of the "gap" already, and even NJDOT has put up I-95 shields on their exit signs for the Turnpike on I-195. Those stupid I-95 shields with the Series D font and no direction banner are still randomly posted in the median too, so its not like the designation is a secret or anything,

Michael in Philly

Drove north again today.  The signs definitely read "West [I-]276 [next line] Penn Turnpike," but the 276 shields are way off center to the right, with plenty of room for another shield to the left; I unaccountably failed to notice that last time.  But there's definitely no "To," which suggests to me they'll read, in the future, "South [I-]95 West [I-]276 Penn Turnpike," which I'd interpret as a multiplex.
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deathtopumpkins

Well for all intents and purposes to the average motorist it is a multiplex. That ramp takes you to 276 and 95. The average driver doesn't care whether it gets you to 95 which then transitions into 276 or not, just that it gets him there.
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qguy

Quote from: YankeesFan on July 04, 2012, 06:52:16 PM


Something I've wondered about for some time but have never come across the answer: Is there a name for that older-type "squiggle" arrow, seen here, that some DOTs used to use on exit signage?

Do any DOTs still use it?

Compulov

Quote from: qguy on July 12, 2012, 09:12:37 AM
Something I've wondered about for some time but have never come across the answer: Is there a name for that older-type "squiggle" arrow, seen here, that some DOTs used to use on exit signage?

I thought it was officially called "The NJ Turnpike Arrow"...

qguy

Quote from: Compulov on July 12, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: qguy on July 12, 2012, 09:12:37 AM
Something I've wondered about for some time but have never come across the answer: Is there a name for that older-type "squiggle" arrow, seen here, that some DOTs used to use on exit signage?

I thought it was officially called "The NJ Turnpike Arrow"...


PennDOT used to use them as well. And I remember seeing them in some states along I-95 during a trip from Pennsylvania to Florida in 1978. Don't remember which states, though. (I was barely a proto-roadgeek back then.)

I like them. I think the driver instinctively knows what they mean. It's not a turn arrow; it succinctly conveys the concept of exiting and slowing instead of splitting and maintaining speed or slowing and turning.

Of course, on exit signage they're usually seen at an angle instead of horizontal. I'm not sure they make as much sense when used as an entry arrow.




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