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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #150 on: August 28, 2013, 02:37:33 PM »

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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #152 on: August 29, 2013, 08:04:01 AM »

DC adding cameras to enforce stop signs, box-blocking, and yielding to pedestrians.

I wonder if they'll ticket you even if the pedestrian is in the wrong. Last night I was in Alexandria and a woman with a small child waited until I had a green light and then waddled out into the crosswalk right as I started to drive (and managed to pause for her mobile phone conversation long enough to scream "fuck you" at me). If the pedestrian is ignoring a "don't walk" sign, the driver going straight through a green light should not be ticketed, but I wouldn't put it past DC to start issuing such tickets using cameras.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #153 on: August 29, 2013, 10:27:48 PM »

Given how anti-car DC is, they would probably expressly engineer the cameras to give a ticket even if the pedestrian darted into the freeway at the last possible second just 2 feet in front of a car.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #154 on: August 30, 2013, 10:24:38 AM »

DC adding cameras to enforce stop signs, box-blocking, and yielding to pedestrians.

I wonder if they'll ticket you even if the pedestrian is in the wrong. Last night I was in Alexandria and a woman with a small child waited until I had a green light and then waddled out into the crosswalk right as I started to drive (and managed to pause for her mobile phone conversation long enough to scream "fuck you" at me). If the pedestrian is ignoring a "don't walk" sign, the driver going straight through a green light should not be ticketed, but I wouldn't put it past DC to start issuing such tickets using cameras.

Unfortunately cameras are absolute and will make no exceptions, even if an idiot on a mobile phone jaywalks. Ugh, too much reliance on devices to do a job that requires an actual person...

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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #155 on: August 30, 2013, 10:38:36 AM »

DC adding cameras to enforce stop signs, box-blocking, and yielding to pedestrians.

I wonder if they'll ticket you even if the pedestrian is in the wrong. Last night I was in Alexandria and a woman with a small child waited until I had a green light and then waddled out into the crosswalk right as I started to drive (and managed to pause for her mobile phone conversation long enough to scream "fuck you" at me). If the pedestrian is ignoring a "don't walk" sign, the driver going straight through a green light should not be ticketed, but I wouldn't put it past DC to start issuing such tickets using cameras.

Unfortunately cameras are absolute and will make no exceptions, even if an idiot on a mobile phone jaywalks. Ugh, too much reliance on devices to do a job that requires an actual person...

Well, you know, I wonder about it and here's why: Surely a camera can be tied into the light cycle, right? If you have a green light, for example, the red-light camera isn't supposed to ticket you for going through (I know I've never received any such ticket). Surely the pedestrian camera can likewise be tied to the light cycle so that if a driver proceeds straight through the light (I emphasize straight through), the camera will not fire, even if a pedestrian illegally crosses against a "DON'T WALK" sign. However, I have zero confidence in DC that this will happen. As "vdeane" says, DC's anti-car mentality is consistently getting worse, but taking the Metro to Capitals or Nationals games is not something I consider a serious option except in special circumstances (e.g., on the day of the Christmas tree lighting on the Ellipse, I'll take the Metro to Verizon Center because of all the street closures). It's faster, cheaper, more pleasant, and more reliable to drive. I suppose if it comes down to it I might just have to reconsider whether to continue going to games, which is a shame.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #156 on: August 30, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »

DC adding cameras to enforce stop signs, box-blocking, and yielding to pedestrians.

I wonder if they'll ticket you even if the pedestrian is in the wrong. Last night I was in Alexandria and a woman with a small child waited until I had a green light and then waddled out into the crosswalk right as I started to drive (and managed to pause for her mobile phone conversation long enough to scream "fuck you" at me). If the pedestrian is ignoring a "don't walk" sign, the driver going straight through a green light should not be ticketed, but I wouldn't put it past DC to start issuing such tickets using cameras.

Unfortunately cameras are absolute and will make no exceptions, even if an idiot on a mobile phone jaywalks. Ugh, too much reliance on devices to do a job that requires an actual person...

District of Columbia municipal police officers, with rare exceptions, are not interested in writing traffic tickets.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #157 on: August 30, 2013, 10:51:17 AM »

Given how anti-car DC is, they would probably expressly engineer the cameras to give a ticket even if the pedestrian darted into the freeway at the last possible second just 2 feet in front of a car.

I agree.  However, D.C. is curiously not anti-car when it comes to collecting taxes and fees and fines from drivers to subsidize mass transit (including the excellent Circulator bus system).

The automated enforcement is about collecting more fines from drivers that do not live in the District of Columbia.  Since the  District is prohibited by its charter from levying a so-called commuter tax (the holy grail of more than a few D.C. politicians), this is the alternative.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #158 on: August 30, 2013, 11:25:04 AM »

District of Columbia municipal police officers, with rare exceptions, are not interested in writing traffic tickets.

indeed.  I once ran a red fair and square, and got off with a warning.

(it was one of those L'Enfant anachronisms where an intersection is followed within ~20 feet by another one that is completely independent of it.  one turned green and I zoomed through both.)
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #159 on: August 30, 2013, 11:59:46 AM »

Washington Post:   Dirt bike dreams face reality of D.C. police enforcement

Barry tweets concerns about D.C. dirt bike enforcement

The above are especially amusing, given that former D.C. Mayor-for-Life Marion Shepilov Barry, Jr. used to preach that transit was the solution for all transportation problems as a founding member of the anti-highway/anti-auto Emergency Committee on the Transportation Crisis (but, of course, never for himself - and apparently not for his current Ward 8 constituents either).
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #160 on: August 30, 2013, 12:01:24 PM »

District of Columbia municipal police officers, with rare exceptions, are not interested in writing traffic tickets.

indeed.  I once ran a red fair and square, and got off with a warning.

I am surprised that you were even stopped!

(it was one of those L'Enfant anachronisms where an intersection is followed within ~20 feet by another one that is completely independent of it.  one turned green and I zoomed through both.)

Those are pretty common in some parts of D.C.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #161 on: August 30, 2013, 12:04:50 PM »

I am surprised that you were even stopped!

she was right behind me, in a marked police vehicle!  I think at that point she figured "gosh, I guess I have to".

it was also a Saturday at ~2am so I was probably given a quick once-over to verify my sobriety.
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« Reply #162 on: August 30, 2013, 12:13:14 PM »

I am surprised that you were even stopped!

she was right behind me, in a marked police vehicle!  I think at that point she figured "gosh, I guess I have to".

it was also a Saturday at ~2am so I was probably given a quick once-over to verify my sobriety.

That makes sense. 

Most D.C. cops could care less about traffic infractions - even those involving alcohol.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #163 on: August 30, 2013, 01:38:49 PM »

WTOP has a story about the stop sign cameras in which they set up a video camera near a stop sign to see how many people came to a complete stop. They say in five minutes, six out of 21 vehicles stopped fully. But the part of the video that made me ponder the idea of cameras is watching how few people stop behind the stop bar (hardly unique to this intersection, of course). If DC really wanted to make a killing, they'd set the cameras to ticket anyone who fails to come to a complete stop completely behind the line. I wouldn't put it past them, either.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #164 on: August 30, 2013, 02:12:45 PM »

DC drivers, as far as I am concerned, have earned their place as some of the worst in the nation.  It is, to date, the only place where we had a vehicle behind us make a Pittsburgh Left as we were waiting for opposing traffic to clear.  We were in the intersection waiting to make our left turn when a cab behind us suddenly did so cutting off opposing traffic.  I've never had that happen in Chicago, and Chicago drivers are not known for patience nor etiquette on the road.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #165 on: August 30, 2013, 02:15:57 PM »

DC drivers, as far as I am concerned, have earned their place as some of the worst in the nation.  It is, to date, the only place where we had a vehicle behind us make a Pittsburgh Left as we were waiting for opposing traffic to clear.  We were in the intersection waiting to make our left turn when a cab behind us suddenly did so cutting off opposing traffic.  I've never had that happen in Chicago, and Chicago drivers are not known for patience nor etiquette on the road.

I'd expect that to happen in Miami.  I'd expect the offending vehicle to come out of the right lane.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2013, 02:31:00 PM »

DC drivers, as far as I am concerned, have earned their place as some of the worst in the nation.  It is, to date, the only place where we had a vehicle behind us make a Pittsburgh Left as we were waiting for opposing traffic to clear.  We were in the intersection waiting to make our left turn when a cab behind us suddenly did so cutting off opposing traffic.  I've never had that happen in Chicago, and Chicago drivers are not known for patience nor etiquette on the road.

Pittsburgh lefts are very common in the District of Columbia.  Maybe we should call them D.C. lefts? Many D.C. drivers will also drive in the opposing traffic lane to make a left at the next intersection if the "coast is clear."  Another favorite is driving on the shoulder (of the relatively few roads with  shoulders in D.C.) in congested conditions.

Then there's (what I call) the D.C. queue jump.  Many streets in D.C. (even busy ones) are two lane, but just open one lane in each direction, with parked cars in the right lane (sometimes there is no parking during peak demand periods, but not always).  But those busy two-lane streets often have bus stops (no parking anytime at the bus stop), usually located just before a signalized intersection.  So if there is not a bus servicing  the stop, aggressive D.C. drivers will use the (vacant) right lane where the bus stop is to jump around other traffic waiting at a signal, cutting in front of other drivers (and sometimes putting pedestrians at great risk). 

I am usually  aware of this, and if I am first at a signalized light in the left lane when a prospective queue jumper pulls up next to me (usually  very easy to predict them), I will (if no pedestrians are jaywalking or vehicles present in the intersection on the cross street) make a point of taking off immediately when the light changes to green (hard acceleration is not required), which is usually enough to strand them behind parked cars on the other side of the intersection, since the platoon of vehicles behind me will usually not let them in.

D.C. has a lot of drivers (like those above) that would be much happier if they had an adequate system of urban freeways and expressways to drive on, but the politicians that they vote for don't want that.
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #167 on: August 30, 2013, 02:41:54 PM »

WTOP has a story about the stop sign cameras in which they set up a video camera near a stop sign to see how many people came to a complete stop. They say in five minutes, six out of 21 vehicles stopped fully. But the part of the video that made me ponder the idea of cameras is watching how few people stop behind the stop bar (hardly unique to this intersection, of course). If DC really wanted to make a killing, they'd set the cameras to ticket anyone who fails to come to a complete stop completely behind the line. I wouldn't put it past them, either.

I always stop at STOP signs (even in D.C., where there are thousands of STOP signs that have been installed even if they were not warranted, most as a form of "traffic calming" (even though that practice is frowned upon in the MUTCD ["YIELD or STOP signs should not be used for speed control"] and according to a research paper I found on the ITE Web site does not reduce speeds (here, Adobe Acrobat .pdf)).  Usually I engage first gear to reduce clutch wear, which can only be done at a complete stop. 
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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #168 on: August 30, 2013, 02:49:12 PM »

I am usually  aware of this, and if I am first at a signalized light in the left lane when a prospective queue jumper pulls up next to me (usually  very easy to predict them), I will (if no pedestrians are jaywalking or vehicles present in the intersection on the cross street) make a point of taking off immediately when the light changes to green (hard acceleration is not required), which is usually enough to strand them behind parked cars on the other side of the intersection, since the platoon of vehicles behind me will usually not let them in.

I'd get in just behind you, then, and still very likely ahead of those who are moseying off the green.

I don't think this "queue jumping" is all that dangerous a habit... at least, not out here, as the roads on which I do this tend to have a lot fewer pedestrians.  so I may just not be imagining it correctly; but wouldn't the pedestrians at the light be going parallel to the flow of vehicular traffic once the light turns green? 
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« Reply #169 on: August 30, 2013, 02:54:01 PM »

I am usually  aware of this, and if I am first at a signalized light in the left lane when a prospective queue jumper pulls up next to me (usually  very easy to predict them), I will (if no pedestrians are jaywalking or vehicles present in the intersection on the cross street) make a point of taking off immediately when the light changes to green (hard acceleration is not required), which is usually enough to strand them behind parked cars on the other side of the intersection, since the platoon of vehicles behind me will usually not let them in.

I'd get in just behind you, then, and still very likely ahead of those who are moseying off the green.

I don't think this "queue jumping" is all that dangerous a habit... at least, not out here, as the roads on which I do this tend to have a lot fewer pedestrians.  so I may just not be imagining it correctly; but wouldn't the pedestrians at the light be going parallel to the flow of vehicular traffic once the light turns green?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

In the District of Columbia, the prevailing attitude among many pedestrians seems to be, "If I want to walk, I get to walk whenever and wherever I want." It's often very hard to gun it off the line in the District because there are so many jaywalkers who continue to walk after the light changes. A lot of them don't hop to it, either. I'd say more, but I think I'd offend some people if I engaged in various stereotyping.

Heck, on Wednesday night my wife and I were heading to dinner in Old Town Alexandria in Virginia (just across the river from DC). A pedestrian waited on the curb and then, as soon as I got a green light, walked into the street in front of me against the light. Worse, she had a small child holding her hand. I'm positive she deliberately waited just to be obnoxious.
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« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2013, 02:56:25 PM »

I am usually  aware of this, and if I am first at a signalized light in the left lane when a prospective queue jumper pulls up next to me (usually  very easy to predict them), I will (if no pedestrians are jaywalking or vehicles present in the intersection on the cross street) make a point of taking off immediately when the light changes to green (hard acceleration is not required), which is usually enough to strand them behind parked cars on the other side of the intersection, since the platoon of vehicles behind me will usually not let them in.

I'd get in just behind you, then, and still very likely ahead of those who are moseying off the green.

That sometimes happens, but since I don't speed (obeying the nearly citywide 25 MPH limit), that still angers the failed queue jumper who probably wants to be zipping along at between 40MPH and 50 MPH (until arriving at the next red light - D.C. signals are often very  poorly timed).

I don't think this "queue jumping" is all that dangerous a habit... at least, not out here, as the roads on which I do this tend to have a lot fewer pedestrians.  so I may just not be imagining it correctly; but wouldn't the pedestrians at the light be going parallel to the flow of vehicular traffic once the light turns green?

In theory, yes, pedestrians would be walking parallel to the flow of traffic with the green signal. 

But jaywalking in the District of Columbia is common (and pervasive) at many intersections - often drunks or young people (or young drunks).  I don't want to mow-down a D.C. jaywalker, even for jaywalking. 
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« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2013, 02:57:10 PM »

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But jaywalking in the District of Columbia is common (and pervasive) at many intersections - often drunks or young people (or young drunks).  I don't want to mow-down a D.C. jaywalker, even for jaywalking. 

I often want to mow them down, but I refrain from doing so because I don't want to go to jail.
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« Reply #172 on: August 30, 2013, 03:03:47 PM »

....

But jaywalking in the District of Columbia is common (and pervasive) at many intersections - often drunks or young people (or young drunks).  I don't want to mow-down a D.C. jaywalker, even for jaywalking. 

I often want to mow them down, but I refrain from doing so because I don't want to go to jail.

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Re: District of Columbia
« Reply #173 on: August 30, 2013, 03:18:15 PM »

But jaywalking in the District of Columbia is common (and pervasive) at many intersections - often drunks or young people (or young drunks).  I don't want to mow-down a D.C. jaywalker, even for jaywalking.

got it.  I'm used to Boston and New York jaywalkers, who seem to have their brains about them.  they time it as to not impede someone with a green light.

in California, nearly no one jaywalks... if they do, they time it like someone from the aforementioned categories.  the only pedestrian conflicts we have out here are with right or left turning traffic.

for some reason, I don't remember driving in DC to be particularly stressful.  I remember it being comparable to various other cities in the northeast.  not quite as good as New York, but hardly anywhere is.  Boston comes close.  but DC, Baltimore, Philly, etc all seem similar to me.
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« Reply #174 on: August 30, 2013, 09:40:24 PM »

But jaywalking in the District of Columbia is common (and pervasive) at many intersections - often drunks or young people (or young drunks).  I don't want to mow-down a D.C. jaywalker, even for jaywalking.

got it.  I'm used to Boston and New York jaywalkers, who seem to have their brains about them.  they time it as to not impede someone with a green light.

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To me, this is the key. I wouldn't give a rat's arse about jaywalking if people did it intelligently so as not to hold up traffic. NE2's standard rant notwithstanding, I'm not about to run over anyone, even if I'd like to do so.....but it shouldn't be a question either way!
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"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

 


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