Roads that none of us will live to see built

[pctech]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-07/gas-tax-not-enough-to-fund-roads/53228510/1

[KEVIN_224]

A complete beltway of Hartford would be nice. The only portions ever built were:

1 - I-291 between Windsor and Manchester (opened in 1994).
2 - CT Route 9 from I-91 in Cromwell west to the Berlin Turnpike (US 5/CT 15) in Berlin, then north from downtown New Britain through Newington and Farmington (completed in stages between 1989-90 and then in 1991-92).

There's been talk about extending CT Route 9 northward through West Hartford to maybe Bloomfield. Too bad there's a few nasty reservoirs in the way.

[NE2]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-07/gas-tax-not-enough-to-fund-roads/53228510/1

There's a picture of Obama so it must be a lie.

[ftballfan]

A complete beltway of Hartford would be nice. The only portions ever built were:

1 - I-291 between Windsor and Manchester
2 - CT Route 9 in portions of Cromwell, Berlin, New Britain and Farmington.

There's been talk about extending CT Route 9 northward through West Hartford to maybe Bloomfield. Too bad there's a few nasty reservoirs in the way.

CT-218 in north Hartford looks like it was built where I-291 would have gone.

[kphoger]

* The IL 3 - IL 149 four lane corridor from the southern IL 3/IL 146 junction to Murphysboro

Is this one really necessary anyway??  Doesn't the climbing lane suffice just fine?

[Alps]

A complete beltway of Hartford would be nice. The only portions ever built were:

1 - I-291 between Windsor and Manchester
2 - CT Route 9 in portions of Cromwell, Berlin, New Britain and Farmington.

There's been talk about extending CT Route 9 northward through West Hartford to maybe Bloomfield. Too bad there's a few nasty reservoirs in the way.

CT-218 in north Hartford looks like it was built where I-291 would have gone.

Other way around, I-291 would have roughly followed 218.

[hbelkins]

Please tell us what percentage of operating costs to run and (partially) maintain roads in the United States is collected from toll-paying patrons. 

Then please tell us what percentage of capital costs to build and maintain roads in the United States is collected from toll-paying patrons.

Umm, 100%.  The gas tax is a toll. 

That's BS and you know it.

What makes you say that? In Kentucky, at least, 100 percent of gas tax revenues go into the Road Fund. No General Fund dollars go into KYTC's operations.

[NE2]

And we all know that KYTC maintains every road in the state.

^^^ SMH

[SP Cook]

What makes you say that? In Kentucky, at least, 100 percent of gas tax revenues go into the Road Fund. No General Fund dollars go into KYTC's operations.

What makes the individual say that, in this thread and 100s of other, here and on MTR, is a desire to be argumenative.  You and I know, and could easily post academic level links to, the well accepted fact that the state and federal fuel taxes fund highways (and, BTW, transit) in the USA.  In my state, as yours, and virtually all, 100% of highway opperations are funded by fuel taxes, and that is standard throughout the country. 

However, we are dealing with a person who wants to engage in a reasonable and thoughtful discussion of issues.  We are dealing with a person who (on 100s of websites and newsgroups on all manner of subjects) wants to do the internet equilivant of yelling "NOT" really loudly, and actually thinks that is a comeback.  A person who wants to spew conspiricy theory level irrationality and call it thought.

[NE2]

^^^ SMH

[Roadsguy]

Anyway...

-The rest of I-99: north of 80 and south of the Turnpike
-The Goat Path Expressway in Lancaster
-Maybe the rest of Woodhaven Road in northeast Philly. Maybe.

[mgk920]

^^^ SMH

SMH?

That's a new acronym on me.  Do you have any reasoned thought to go with whatever you are saying?



Mike

[NE2]

^^^

SMH 

[PHLBOS]

-The rest of I-99: north of 80 and south of the Turnpike

I don't believe there are any plans to extend I-99 south of the Turnpike (I-70/76).  Are there?  Is so, I'm assuming that it would essentially upgrade the existing US 220 corridor down to I-68 in MD.

-The Goat Path Expressway in Lancaster

If you mean Lancaster County, as opposed to just the city; are you referring to the proposed PA 23 Expressway that would extend beyond (northeast of) US 30?  Near Leola, along PA 772, one can see ghost ramps and underpasses for the unbuilt expressway.

-Maybe the rest of Woodhaven Road in northeast Philly. Maybe.

I already mentioned that one in an earlier post.

[Scott5114]

Could we get an explanation of what SMH means, please?

[nwi_navigator_1181]

SMH = Shaking My Head. Not that I use it myself.

I second the mention of Tennessee (Interstate?) 840's northern half. It looks like the terrain is too rough for it to be built, nor do I see any real justification for it.

Not only that, but the southern arc of TN 840 is just now set to be complete this year, more than a good decade from the first construction.

[Alex]

The Goat Path Expressway, as many of the other road projects cited in this thread, falls into the category of dead/cancelled projects. I thought the intent of this thread was for roads that remain planned but with outrageous time tables.

[kphoger]

^^^ SMH

SMH?

That's a new acronym on me.  Do you have any reasoned thought to go with whatever you are saying?



Mike

It's an initialism.

[pctech]

Another link about revenue woes for road building.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-03/states-motorist-taxes/55367022/1

[NYYPhil777]

SMH = Shaking My Head. Not that I use it myself.

I second the mention of Tennessee (Interstate?) 840's northern half. It looks like the terrain is too rough for it to be built, nor do I see any real justification for it.

Not only that, but the southern arc of TN 840 is just now set to be complete this year, more than a good decade from the first construction.

The northern half's projcted corridor area is full of beautiful terrain, and is a place that would be ruined should Tenn-840 North ever get built. I would not want to see a significant part of Middle Tennessee be destroyed by a highway project that locals around Nashville claim will make them look like another Atlanta.
As much as I love new freeways and ideas for them, I can't say I advocate Tenn-840 North. So it's probably a good thing TennDOT has the northern arc on hold.

[hbelkins]

And we all know that KYTC maintains every road in the state.

Counties and cities get gas tax revenue for their roads through KYTC. There's a rural and municipal roads program that allocates funding to local governments  based on population and road mileage.

^^^ SMH

SMH?

That's a new acronym on me.  Do you have any reasoned thought to go with whatever you are saying?



Mike

As others have stated, it means "Shaking My Head." That particular poster uses it because he/she/it is a (insults originally typed but deleted by author), and in response to me using it on the thread where someone else suggested that cities should annex suburbs because suburb dwellers leach leech off cities and derive all the benefits without paying for them. If you'll notice, lately his sig is always in response to something I've posted.

[PHLBOS]

The Goat Path Expressway, as many of the other road projects cited in this thread, falls into the category of dead/cancelled projects.

Thanks for the info. regarding the Goat Path Expressway.

I thought the intent of this thread was for roads that remain planned but with outrageous time tables.

The OP did not specify such. 

If that indeed was his intent (remember, not all of us are mind-readers here nor personally know the OP); he should have stated such.

[vdeane]

Anyway...

-The rest of I-99: north of 80 and south of the Turnpike

Actually, it's almost done north of Williamsport (just waiting on a segment under construction in NY).  Too bad PennDOT won't sign both segments while waiting on the US 220 upgrades between I-80 and Williamsport (what's really shameful is that not many upgrades are needed; PennDOT just so happens to be taking this project less seriously than the PTC takes the I-95 interchange).

-The rest of I-99: north of 80 and south of the Turnpike

I don't believe there are any plans to extend I-99 south of the Turnpike (I-70/76).  Are there?  Is so, I'm assuming that it would essentially upgrade the existing US 220 corridor down to I-68 in MD.

At one time it was indeed proposed to go to I-68, though it never left the "this might be something to look into" stage.

[codyg1985]

I second the I-85 western extension from Montgomery to Cuba, AL at I-20/59.

I also don't think the Tuscaloosa Eastern Bypass will be finished either, at least not in its current form.

The Birmingham Northern Beltline would be another one that I doubt I will ever see completely built.

The Memphis-Huntsville-Atlanta highway isn't gonna happen, either. The city of Huntsville is still planning for it, but I just don't think Mississippi will play ball and Georgia has enough to worry about in Atlanta.

[Grzrd]

The Memphis-Huntsville-Atlanta highway isn't gonna happen, either ... Georgia has enough to worry about in Atlanta.

Agreed, plus the Alabama state line to I-75 section of the M-H-A highway has been viewed by the anti-Northern Arc activists as a back-door "first step" for the Northern Arc and any serious attempt to build it would be vigorously contested.