ABC, CBS, FOX & NBC Have Lost More Than 77% Of Their Market Share

[Max Rockatansky]

Sometimes it's nice to know that we don't all focus on roads entirely.

My main jams are (1) the intricacies of traffic laws and (2) roads in Mexico.  Those topics don't come up too terribly often on the forum...

Total shame regarding the latter because there is much to attempt to make sense of with roads in Mexico. 

Oklahoma wishes it were as nonsensical as Mexico.

Chaos doesn't seem to intrigue much in the hobby mainstream.  If you constant chaotic variance with road standards then Mexico is the place.  Me personally I find it to be a blast to drive on and research dissect.

Tell that to future I-343.

Federal Highways often disappear and reappear without much rationale explanation. 

Tell that to US 422. 

Thing with US 422 is that it has been like that with the gap since the 1920s and is a known quantity.  Much of Mexico has been untouched by the wider road hobby.  We get a lot traffic headed to our page because two of us cover the country fairly seriously. 

[kphoger]

In Mexico figuring out which highway number is you are on sometimes is a surprising challenge.  Federal Highways often disappear and reappear without much rationale explanation.  They also often just disappear at large cities completely and functionally have gaps.

From looking at more detailed maps, what I'm gathering is that most every highway technically becomes a local street once it hits the city limit.  This, then, helps to explain why navigation through a town can be such a challenge in some places.

[NE2]

In Mexico figuring out which highway number is you are on sometimes is a surprising challenge.  Federal Highways often disappear and reappear without much rationale explanation.  They also often just disappear at large cities completely and functionally have gaps.

From looking at more detailed maps, what I'm gathering is that most every highway technically becomes a local street once it hits the city limit.  This, then, helps to explain why navigation through a town can be such a challenge in some places.

That sounds accurate. Based on some old maps I've seen, this may have been the case in some U.S. cities in the 1930s, such as Washington D.C. Many maps show multiple routes for US 1 and US 50.

[SEWIGuy]

For about a year, someone who lived seven hours away. We had a weekly Zoom meeting. We met in person once (she came here). She was entirely controlled by her parents. After my mom sent her parents a letter saying it should be between us two, her parents ended it.

Why did your mom get involved?

To avoid confusion, I'll call the person I was dating (if you could actually call it that, since it was long-distance) Chelsea, even though that's not her name. There's too much ambiguity using "her" for all of Chelsea, Chelsea's parents, and my mom.

My mom sent a letter to Chelsea's parents saying that they were controlling the relationship instead of Chelsea (which was absolutely true), and Chelsea's parents took it very poorly, sending something back that my mom doesn't realize that Chelsea has autism (we knew since the beginning; we met on a website for people with autism although it wasn't a dating website) and that they know how to handle Chelsea better than my mom does. Chelsea's parents then ended the relationship without Chelsea's input.

I had no contact with Chelsea's parents (except for the one time we met in person), but they would text my mom regularly during the relationship.

No, I mean why did your mom feel the need to insert herself into the dating life of her adult son?

[LilianaUwU]

In Mexico figuring out which highway number is you are on sometimes is a surprising challenge.  Federal Highways often disappear and reappear without much rationale explanation.  They also often just disappear at large cities completely and functionally have gaps.

From looking at more detailed maps, what I'm gathering is that most every highway technically becomes a local street once it hits the city limit.  This, then, helps to explain why navigation through a town can be such a challenge in some places.

That sounds accurate. Based on some old maps I've seen, this may have been the case in some U.S. cities in the 1930s, such as Washington D.C. Many maps show multiple routes for US 1 and US 50.

Québec also does the local streets thing, and yeah, it's a struggle to follow some routes in some cities. And while MTQ doesn't list them on their map, I'm pretty sure they exist legislatively still.

[kphoger]

May I just take a moment to congratulate everyone who has helped to take this bonfire of an off-topic drift within an off-topic thread and turn it into something roadgeeky.

[NE2]

Québec also does the local streets thing, and yeah, it's a struggle to follow some routes in some cities. And while MTQ doesn't list them on their map, I'm pretty sure they exist legislatively still.

Not the same thing, unless the province doesn't define a single path for each route.

[LilianaUwU]

Québec also does the local streets thing, and yeah, it's a struggle to follow some routes in some cities. And while MTQ doesn't list them on their map, I'm pretty sure they exist legislatively still.

Not the same thing, unless the province doesn't define a single path for each route.

I'm almost certain they do, but sometimes there's cases where the signed routing diverges from what's in the books.

[wxfree]

For older stuff, look on the free services.  I'm most familiar with Pluto and Tubi.  Tubi has a lot of weird stuff, like those freaky horror movies from the 80s.

Our streaming is via Roku.  I can simply search for a movie title in the Roku itself, and it looks through all the various streaming services.  No need to search within each one separately.

I worded my post that way because of something I recently told a cousin of mine about automotives.  Quality is not expensive.  Being stylish and being popular costs money, but to buy a car that starts every day and doesn't overheat or break down, and doesn't use a lot of fuel, for all the decades of my life, the cheapest option is often the best.  In modern television the same thing is true, that the free services often have more value than the ones you pay for.

[ZLoth]

This has gone so far off topic that this original poster is leaving the room.

[Max Rockatansky]

This has gone so far off topic that this original poster is leaving the room.

You haven't been in the room over the last dozen or so pages.  What's the point in commenting on the obvious 20 page divergence now and not a network TV thing?  A 77% increase in your participation in threads you start might help keeping them stay on track. 

[kphoger]

In Mexico figuring out which highway number is you are on sometimes is a surprising challenge.  Federal Highways often disappear and reappear without much rationale explanation.  They also often just disappear at large cities completely and functionally have gaps.

From looking at more detailed maps, what I'm gathering is that most every highway technically becomes a local street once it hits the city limit.  This, then, helps to explain why navigation through a town can be such a challenge in some places.

That sounds accurate. Based on some old maps I've seen, this may have been the case in some U.S. cities in the 1930s, such as Washington D.C. Many maps show multiple routes for US 1 and US 50.

Québec also does the local streets thing, and yeah, it's a struggle to follow some routes in some cities. And while MTQ doesn't list them on their map, I'm pretty sure they exist legislatively still.

Not the same thing, unless the province doesn't define a single path for each route.

LilianaUwU, here is what I'm talking about:

Below is a road map from the Mexican government, showing the city of Durango.

Imagine you're coming in from the southwest on the red road.  That's federal highway 40, which ostensibly runs from Villa Unión near the Pacific Ocean to Reynosa on the US border.  You're heading through Durango on highway 40 to the northeast, continuing northeast from there.

As you enter the city, what route does highway 40 take through town?  As you can see on the map, the federal highway designation ends at the city limit.  I placed a pin on the yellow road.  Note that the map pin info panel only displays a local street name (Blvd. del Guadiana), with administration and jurisdiction labeled "N/A".

Eventually, far beyond the top-right corner of the map, the highway 40 designation picks up again way out on the outskirts of town along Blvd. Francisco Villa.  Now, there may be overhead signs with federal route shields on them along the way between those two points, to guide you through town, but that doesn't mean those streets are actually federal highway 40.


[full size here:  https://i.imgur.com/fkJxD7L.png]

[Max Rockatansky]

In those gaps pretty much all you have rely upon is overhead gantry signage to navigate through the city.  Some areas are better at actually posting those gantries than others.  In Mexico there really things like on the ground reassurance Highway shields.  My understanding is that they once did exist prior to Mexico adopting wider Vienna Convention style signage.

[Rothman]

This has gone so far off topic that this original poster is leaving the room.

A most beautiful, epic flounce.

[kphoger]

... ground reassurance Highway shields.  My understanding is that they once did exist prior to Mexico adopting wider Vienna Convention style signage.

They're in the SCT design manuals, and they do exist in real life.  They're just pretty rare to find.

Speaking of federal highway 40, here's a pretty random one:  https://maps.app.goo.gl/bNquwXx8CZtwW7mS7

[kphoger]

ground reassurance Highway shields

They're in the SCT design manuals

Actually, now that I'm looking again, I don't see anything in the SCT design manual for a ground-mounted route shield that doesn't also have either a kilometer marker or a directional arrow.  So the couple I've seen along the road must have been one-offs.

[Max Rockatansky]

ground reassurance Highway shields

They're in the SCT design manuals

Actually, now that I'm looking again, I don't see anything in the SCT design manual for a ground-mounted route shield that doesn't also have either a kilometer marker or a directional arrow.  So the couple I've seen along the road must have been one-offs.

Jalisco has gotten big on the Kilometer marker.  Those pretty much have gotten posted on everything that is a numbered highway aside from Autopistas.

[NE2]

Chihuahua is probably a better example than Durango, just because IIRC Durango does have decent signage for one route. Chihuahua has several parallel routes signed, and they can be discontinuous.

[on_wisconsin]

No idea what this thread is even about anymore. (Media ratings -> relationship advice/venting -> Mexican highways)

[Rothman]

No idea what this thread is even about anymore. (Media ratings -> relationship advice/venting -> Mexican highways)

Just go with the flow.

[kphoger]

Chihuahua is probably a better example than Durango, just because IIRC Durango does have decent signage for one route. Chihuahua has several parallel routes signed, and they can be discontinuous.

Looks like, north of downtown Chihuahua, southbound signage for Fed. 45 follows Av. Tecnológico, whereas northbound signage for Fed. 45 follows Av. de las Industrias and Av. G. Prieto L.—which are 3½ km apart at the widest.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zNGGJJJBAv5NoE4p6

[Max Rockatansky]

No idea what this thread is even about anymore. (Media ratings -> relationship advice/venting -> Mexican highways)

Just go with the flow.

I'm just happy to see a 77% increase in Mexican Highway talk. 

This has gone so far off topic that this original poster is leaving the room.

A most beautiful, epic flounce.

A 77% increase in epic flounces.

[vdeane]

Chihuahua is probably a better example than Durango, just because IIRC Durango does have decent signage for one route. Chihuahua has several parallel routes signed, and they can be discontinuous.

Looks like, north of downtown Chihuahua, southbound signage for Fed. 45 follows Av. Tecnológico, whereas northbound signage for Fed. 45 follows Av. de las Industrias and Av. G. Prieto L.—which are 3½ km apart at the widest.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zNGGJJJBAv5NoE4p6

And both of those look weird compared to the where 45 comes in on either side and compared to the route Google marks as 45.  And those routes both appear to be two-way, so I don't know why they made them different for each direction.

[kphoger]

Chihuahua is probably a better example ...

And both of those look weird compared to ... and compared to ... And those routes both appear to be two-way, so I don't know why they made them different for each direction.

Which is why Dan is correct in calling it a good example of the craziness.

[kphoger]

large major tattoos

No idea what this thread is even about anymore.

It's about large major tattoos.