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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #150 on: January 19, 2019, 11:32:12 PM »

^ For certain sections.  But the entirety of I-90 in Mass is toll-supported.

Except the issue in question is charging tolls, not supporting with toll dollars.

Tell that to the trucks on the Mass Pike...
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #151 on: January 20, 2019, 04:16:05 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #152 on: January 20, 2019, 04:43:09 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
And whoever considers avoiding toll should be prosecuted for thoughtcrime.
But fortunately, this is not how things work.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #153 on: January 20, 2019, 04:44:12 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
Slippery slope much?
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #154 on: January 20, 2019, 04:48:33 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
Slippery slope much?

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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #155 on: January 20, 2019, 04:57:10 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
Damn, way to strip the free use of the public ramps and roadways. Should we make every surrounding road private, put gates at the exit, and check and make sure everybody exiting is local traffic?
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2019, 05:01:17 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #157 on: January 20, 2019, 05:06:55 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
I sense obvious sarcasm.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #158 on: January 20, 2019, 05:18:08 PM »

I sense obvious sarcasm.
Problem is that these days one person sarcasm is another guy campaign promise.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #159 on: January 20, 2019, 05:24:23 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
50 years in prison, you're a criminal. You chose not to pay the $10 toll and instead use other, free, public roads.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #160 on: January 20, 2019, 05:36:19 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.
Slippery slope much?

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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #161 on: January 20, 2019, 05:50:43 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
I sense obvious sarcasm.

I was hoping that there was simply just a forgetfulness to use the sarcasm font. I hope.  :-|
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #162 on: January 20, 2019, 06:40:47 PM »

Second offense, you have the Ghaack Noose applied to your neck.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #163 on: January 20, 2019, 08:35:14 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #164 on: January 20, 2019, 08:53:24 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

I propose that all replies after (but not including) #150 be deleted, and that this thread remain open.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #165 on: January 20, 2019, 09:05:16 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
I sense obvious sarcasm.

I was hoping that there was simply just a forgetfulness to use the sarcasm font. I hope.  :-|
I think that's obvious enough to not have the font needed.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #166 on: January 20, 2019, 10:36:06 PM »


I've never heard of anything like this.  Why in the world would I not have the right to exit the highway and re-enter wherever I want, regardless of whether it's to avoid a toll or not?  Are there places that such monitoring is in place?  If so, is there some kind of fine applied?

If one is willfully avoiding a toll, one should be prosecuted.  If there is a passenger in the vehicle, conspiracy charges should be brought.

I've never once heard you say that when it comes to all the people that talk about avoiding the $4 toll on Delaware.

If I'm using 295 instead of the NJ Turnpike, am I willfully avoiding a toll and should be sentence to prison?
I sense obvious sarcasm.

I was hoping that there was simply just a forgetfulness to use the sarcasm font. I hope.  :-|
I think that's obvious enough to not have the font needed.

Its hard enough to type on a phone (and with constant autocorrecting stuff that's not wrong!). /Sarcasm overlooked!
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #167 on: January 21, 2019, 11:11:21 AM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

To keep it road-related, maybe VDOT should toll Gallows Road in Fairfax County to snag people trying to avoid Beltway slowdowns without using the HO/T lanes.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #168 on: January 21, 2019, 12:19:57 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

To keep it road-related, maybe VDOT should toll Gallows Road in Fairfax County to snag people trying to avoid Beltway slowdowns without using the HO/T lanes.
Each and every inch travelled should be tolled. We can apply toll either to total mileage travelled - or it may be easier just to toll via gas purchases. Just add that many cents to price of gas and call it toll.
Oh wait....
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #169 on: January 21, 2019, 12:59:04 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

To keep it road-related, maybe VDOT should toll Gallows Road in Fairfax County to snag people trying to avoid Beltway slowdowns without using the HO/T lanes.
Each and every inch travelled should be tolled. We can apply toll either to total mileage travelled - or it may be easier just to toll via gas purchases. Just add that many cents to price of gas and call it toll.
Oh wait....
Boom, let's put a toll on gas purchases. They don't like tax increases, so let's call it a toll and they'll love it.
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #170 on: January 21, 2019, 01:04:16 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

To keep it road-related, maybe VDOT should toll Gallows Road in Fairfax County to snag people trying to avoid Beltway slowdowns without using the HO/T lanes.
Each and every inch travelled should be tolled. We can apply toll either to total mileage travelled - or it may be easier just to toll via gas purchases. Just add that many cents to price of gas and call it toll.
Oh wait....

I used to work with a black guy (his color is relevant for reasons I will explain) who initially thought a tax based on the miles you drive would be a good idea. Then I pointed out how that would require GPS monitoring or similar in order to determine what jurisdiction(s) you need to compensate, and I then suggested this could have a sinister downside: “Mr. Stewart, you’re black. Why were you driving through that all-white neighborhood at two in the morning?” His eyes got very wide and he decided maybe a mileage tax isn’t a great idea!
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #171 on: January 21, 2019, 01:15:46 PM »

This whole thread is headed to the gallows...

To keep it road-related, maybe VDOT should toll Gallows Road in Fairfax County to snag people trying to avoid Beltway slowdowns without using the HO/T lanes.
Each and every inch travelled should be tolled. We can apply toll either to total mileage travelled - or it may be easier just to toll via gas purchases. Just add that many cents to price of gas and call it toll.
Oh wait....

I used to work with a black guy (his color is relevant for reasons I will explain) who initially thought a tax based on the miles you drive would be a good idea. Then I pointed out how that would require GPS monitoring or similar in order to determine what jurisdiction(s) you need to compensate, and I then suggested this could have a sinister downside: “Mr. Stewart, you’re black. Why were you driving through that all-white neighborhood at two in the morning?” His eyes got very wide and he decided maybe a mileage tax isn’t a great idea!
eah, mileage tax would be a great idea if it could be reasonably implemented...
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #172 on: January 21, 2019, 07:53:31 PM »

But is it even POSSIBLE to reasonably implement a mileage tax?  Either everything goes to your home jurisdiction no matter what, or some centralized tracking method is needed.
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« Reply #173 on: January 21, 2019, 10:52:25 PM »

But is it even POSSIBLE to reasonably implement a mileage tax?  Either everything goes to your home jurisdiction no matter what, or some centralized tracking method is needed.
Virginia requires annual safety inspections, so I don't see why they couldn't simply log the odometer each year and calculate the tax from that...
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Re: Virginia plans to toll I-81
« Reply #174 on: January 21, 2019, 10:56:40 PM »

But is it even POSSIBLE to reasonably implement a mileage tax?  Either everything goes to your home jurisdiction no matter what, or some centralized tracking method is needed.
Virginia requires annual safety inspections, so I don't see why they couldn't simply log the odometer each year and calculate the tax from that...

But what if I was In Idaho with my car for 11 months during that year? VA gets the money even though I drove in another state the entire time.
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