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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #875 on: December 06, 2018, 09:37:19 PM »

Obvious question: is there a time line when construction will start? Hopefully they're not going to put off this "shovel ready" project for a few years.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #876 on: December 06, 2018, 10:02:24 PM »

Obvious question: is there a time line when construction will start? Hopefully they're not going to put off this "shovel ready" project for a few years.

This is what I found earlier:
https://www.joplinglobe.com/news/interstate-project-gets-million-boost-from-federal-grant/article_0d426cc4-f9a5-11e8-be48-57955c14520d.html
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Transportation departments from Missouri and Arkansas have been working on completing this project for about 25 years. according to the press release. An engineer with MoDOT's Southwest District said in June that if the full $25 million was awarded, then state officials could propose to begin working on the project in 2021 or 2022.

From the latest MODOT STIP, it looks they still have some engineering left to do. Hopefully there won't be any more delays. Personally, I'd like it if they can somehow start the construction sometime in 2020.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #877 on: December 06, 2018, 10:46:10 PM »

 A while back MODOT said there engineering drawings were in an old format and would need to update the software to todays format. I assume the plans they had to let the let the Demolition job this is already some have been updated. Also there is money showing for the construction over view of the project. So they have said they can still do this Quickly.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #878 on: December 06, 2018, 11:58:35 PM »

A three or four year wait to start construction could end up being costly. The cost of building and repairing highways continues to rise. If they wait too long to get started they'll need a lot more than a $25 million grant to finish the job.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #879 on: December 07, 2018, 09:18:35 AM »

A three or four year wait to start construction could end up being costly. The cost of building and repairing highways continues to rise. If they wait to long to get started they'll need a lot more than a $25 million grant to finish the job.

It's supposed to be finished 4-5 years from now based on what I have heard.  Probably depends on the terrain.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #880 on: December 07, 2018, 09:46:57 AM »

It's about time!
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #881 on: December 07, 2018, 10:22:51 AM »

This may also help take some of the traffic off I-44/US 69 route in Oklahoma that is heading towards DFW and points South and West. I would welcome not having to go through some of those towns in the Northern Part of Oklahoma and then using I-40 to cut over South of there to catch it a bit further South. It certainly doesn't remove all towns, stoplights and speed traps by any means, but I feel the ones in the North of that route are the worst (looking at you, Big Cabin, Pryor Creek, Chouteau, Wagoner, and of course, Muskogee!), and this adds some nice non-stop to that route (plus more scenic). Now if they would make firm plans to complete I-49 through Arkansas, then that would really help with a route to DFW (and avoid Oklahoma's speed traps and unnecessary amount of stoplights altogether). It's a logical connection that needs to be completed!
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #882 on: December 07, 2018, 10:29:30 AM »

It's about time!

More like 20 years late.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #883 on: December 08, 2018, 01:27:54 AM »

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It's supposed to be finished 4-5 years from now based on what I have heard.  Probably depends on the terrain.

That's still way more than enough time for that $25 million grant to be inflated down into insufficient funds to get the job done. I thought they said the project was "shovel ready." To me that term "shovel ready" means the project is ready to start construction right immediately now. Not 4-5 years from now. It's ridiculous. These guys should have construction crews poised almost like runners at the starting gate ready to go NOW. Cost inflation stops for no one. Time is money.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #884 on: December 08, 2018, 09:51:31 AM »

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It's supposed to be finished 4-5 years from now based on what I have heard.  Probably depends on the terrain.

That's still way more than enough time for that $25 million grant to be inflated down into insufficient funds to get the job done. I thought they said the project was "shovel ready." To me that term "shovel ready" means the project is ready to start construction right immediately now. Not 4-5 years from now. It's ridiculous. These guys should have construction crews poised almost like runners at the starting gate ready to go NOW. Cost inflation stops for no one. Time is money.

Lead times to complete bids, pricing and vendor selection for public projects don't happen overnight.

"shovel ready" really means ready to go to bid.

A contractor or sub can't keep work crews on the bench waiting forever.

The only time I have seen it go faster is when the winning bidder already had another project going nearby. They simply transitioned crews over.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #885 on: December 08, 2018, 10:20:21 PM »

I would definitely think that having to re-do an EIS would disqualify it from being "shovel ready".
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #886 on: December 08, 2018, 11:30:24 PM »

I would definitely think that having to re-do an EIS would disqualify it from being "shovel ready".

I didn't see or hear anything to the effect that MoDOT would have to redo their EIS for their portion of the Bella Vista Bypass. Given that MoDOT just awarded a contract to start clearing the I-49 right-of-way leads me to believe that they're a lot closer to construction. Start of construction in 2021 or 2022 would make some sense, as it would take some time to get the ROW cleared of any pre-existing structures, and utilities relocated in advance of construction, so crews can just get in there and get the road built when the construction contract is awarded.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #887 on: December 09, 2018, 07:41:48 PM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.
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« Reply #888 on: December 09, 2018, 08:51:09 PM »

I would definitely think that having to re-do an EIS would disqualify it from being "shovel ready".

I didn't see or hear anything to the effect that MoDOT would have to redo their EIS for their portion of the Bella Vista Bypass. Given that MoDOT just awarded a contract to start clearing the I-49 right-of-way leads me to believe that they're a lot closer to construction. Start of construction in 2021 or 2022 would make some sense, as it would take some time to get the ROW cleared of any pre-existing structures, and utilities relocated in advance of construction, so crews can just get in there and get the road built when the construction contract is awarded.
There was a mention of an environmental update posted in the Arkansas I-49 thread.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #889 on: December 10, 2018, 09:00:29 AM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.

Is there some other project going on or is this for the structures demolition project awarded last week?
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« Reply #890 on: December 10, 2018, 09:48:59 AM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.

Is there some other project going on or is this for the structures demolition project awarded last week?

Well, the DID get approved last week for $25 Million to start working on the road south of Pineville.
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Re: I-49 Coming to Missouri
« Reply #891 on: December 10, 2018, 09:54:51 AM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.

Is there some other project going on or is this for the structures demolition project awarded last week?

Well, the DID get approved last week for $25 Million to start working on the road south of Pineville.

I don't think they're that fast lol.
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« Reply #892 on: December 10, 2018, 10:27:55 AM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.

Is there some other project going on or is this for the structures demolition project awarded last week?

Well, the DID get approved last week for $25 Million to start working on the road south of Pineville.

I don't think they're that fast lol.

May simply be getting ready, unless there was a problem with the cliff north of there.
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« Reply #893 on: December 10, 2018, 10:58:14 AM »

I noticed this weekend MODOT has already started putting out construction barrels at the 49/71 split.

Is there some other project going on or is this for the structures demolition project awarded last week?

Well, the DID get approved last week for $25 Million to start working on the road south of Pineville.

I don't think they're that fast lol.

May simply be getting ready, unless there was a problem with the cliff north of there.

Fair enough. I wouldn't mind if it was for the bypass work though.
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