I-276 in New Jersey?

[PHLBOS]

I guess US-130 doesn't get any love on the new Exit 6 signs

There is a supplemental EXIT 6 BGS for US 130 erected along southbound NJTP w/Florence listed as a control city.

Wilmington is the next major city, and the only one in Delaware big enough to be signed. The NJTA only wants to sign one city - if they did two, then you could add Baltimore. Also, THRU TRAFFIC is now dead for any new signs.

Are you sure? I swear I've seen THRU TRAFFIC used in conjunction with a NJTP shield on a new pull-through.

When I was last on the NJ Turnpike, nearly, 2 weeks ago, I did see a new gantry laying on its side (for Exit 7A off the southbound Turnpike) that clearly had "NJTP shield SOUTH THRU TRAFFIC" on its pull-through BGS.  Since I was driving, and the sign was could only be viewed if one looked sideways, I couldn't tell if there was any 'temporary' green covers (for I-95 shields) on the sign.

[Alps]

I guess US-130 doesn't get any love on the new Exit 6 signs, and shouldn't that be a "TO I-276"?

As stated upthread, there IS a "TO" in front of the 276 shield, it was just covered up with the 95 shield.

I still think Baltimore should be the southbound control city for NJ-700. Thats the direction most of the traffic is going anyway. NJDOT just sticks to plain old "Delaware" or "Del Mem Br" on all their signs.

I have never seen Delaware appear as a control city, and all the new signs feature Camden and then Wilmington if they have a control city at all (some of the new pull throughs retained THRU TRAFFIC). I agree that Baltimore would be a better fit since that is where the vast majority of traffic is going, but the NJTA (not NJDOT, btw) is always one to be different.

Wilmington is the next major city, and the only one in Delaware big enough to be signed. The NJTA only wants to sign one city - if they did two, then you could add Baltimore. Also, THRU TRAFFIC is now dead for any new signs.

Are you sure? I swear I've seen THRU TRAFFIC used in conjunction with a NJTP shield on a new pull-through.

New as in, anything designed from this point forward.

[roadman65]

Considering that the old and ugly green gantry that was in that area previously? It was probably there since the Turnpike opened in the 1950s! 

Actually I thought that gantry was classic and it is a shame that NJTA is removing it permanently just as the original slant roof toll plazas are being modernized or ramps relocated as in the case of Exit 8

I did not like the sign panels that were on that gantry (they were uninformative and sooo-1950's), but I loved the gantry itself, and in a perfect world, the Turnpike Authority would have either retained that old gantry, or built a new one using the same campy style and installed new, MUTCD-compliant sign panels on it.

NJDOT did so in Jersey City on WB I-78 on the viaduct leading to the Turnpike.  They copied the 1950's style gantry used at Exit 6 (and on some CA Freeways) and just erected modern sign panels.

You're 100% wrong. The gantries on I-78 dateD to the same time as the Exit 6 ones. Only two of them are left - Exits 14A and 14B ramps. All of the mainline ones are gone, and don't even pretend to tell me that they look like the originals.

Not the ones on the Hudson Bay Extension itself.  The ones that NJDOT installed after the NJ 139 viaduct rehabilitation project a few years ago on the bridge leading up from Boyle Plaza up the hill.  Look at street view, you will see new signs that even feature I-280 shields for lower level NJ 139 pull through signs with the new combined 1-9 shields.

[Alps]

Considering that the old and ugly green gantry that was in that area previously? It was probably there since the Turnpike opened in the 1950s! 

Actually I thought that gantry was classic and it is a shame that NJTA is removing it permanently just as the original slant roof toll plazas are being modernized or ramps relocated as in the case of Exit 8

I did not like the sign panels that were on that gantry (they were uninformative and sooo-1950's), but I loved the gantry itself, and in a perfect world, the Turnpike Authority would have either retained that old gantry, or built a new one using the same campy style and installed new, MUTCD-compliant sign panels on it.

NJDOT did so in Jersey City on WB I-78 on the viaduct leading to the Turnpike.  They copied the 1950's style gantry used at Exit 6 (and on some CA Freeways) and just erected modern sign panels.

You're 100% wrong. The gantries on I-78 dateD to the same time as the Exit 6 ones. Only two of them are left - Exits 14A and 14B ramps. All of the mainline ones are gone, and don't even pretend to tell me that they look like the originals.

Not the ones on the Hudson Bay Extension itself.  The ones that NJDOT installed after the NJ 139 viaduct rehabilitation project a few years ago on the bridge leading up from Boyle Plaza up the hill.  Look at street view, you will see new signs that even feature I-280 shields for lower level NJ 139 pull through signs with the new combined 1-9 shields.

You're talking about the huge gantries westbound on 139? Pretty sure those are Port Authority.

[NJRoadfan]

You're talking about the huge gantries westbound on 139? Pretty sure those are Port Authority.

NJDOT maintains the roadway after the NBE split. The viaduct reconstruction was their project.

[Alps]

You're talking about the huge gantries westbound on 139? Pretty sure those are Port Authority.

NJDOT maintains the roadway after the NBE split. The viaduct reconstruction was their project.

The gantries I'm referring to are before the split.

[Alex]

I have never seen Delaware appear as a control city, and all the new signs feature Camden and then Wilmington if they have a control city at all (some of the new pull throughs retained THRU TRAFFIC). I agree that Baltimore would be a better fit since that is where the vast majority of traffic is going, but the NJTA (not NJDOT, btw) is always one to be different.

Delaware used to be used for one of the control points for the GSP exit onto the NJ Tpk southbound, though it was not replicated elsewhere on the Tpk mainline in North Jersey.

[YankeesFan]

when did google maps start designating the NJTP extension and the TP north to exit 7 as I-95? i just noticed it today, i know NJDOT had it unsigned as those routes for the future interchange...surprised they labeled it this early

[PHLBOS]

Delaware used to be used for one of the control points for the GSP exit onto the NJ Tpk southbound, though it was not replicated elsewhere on the Tpk mainline in North Jersey.

Actually, the control destination for NJTP southbound listed on the GSP southbound exit sign is Del. Mem. Bridge

A Del. Mem. Bridge placard was posted a few months after this ramp sign was erected:


From the mainline GSP southbound (with the terrible I-95 & 287 shields):

when did google maps start designating the NJTP extension and the TP north to exit 7 as I-95? i just noticed it today, i know NJDOT had it unsigned as those routes for the future interchange...surprised they labeled it this early

Both AAA and the NJDOT have shown I-95 shields along the NJTP between Exits 7A and 11 on their road maps for some time now.

[YankeesFan]

i meant exit 6 to 7a including the NJTP extension into PA, i should have worded it better...

[roadman65]

You're talking about the huge gantries westbound on 139? Pretty sure those are Port Authority.

NJDOT maintains the roadway after the NBE split. The viaduct reconstruction was their project.

The gantries I'm referring to are before the split.

The Port Authority has signs that are on the new signal mast arms, and I think they still have that large gantry at Jersey Avenue with the large US 1-9 Text and "TURNPIKE" panels on it still.  The PANYNJ uses I-78 shields, but NJDOT has "TO I-78" shields on their part of NJ 139.

[roadman65]

Delaware was used at the NJ 73 ramp onto the NJT.   Doug Kerr on gribblenation has a photo of the gantry after the Exit 4 Plaza in his New Jersey sign submission gallery..http://www.gribblenation.net/njpics/subs/njt4.jpg

[Alex]

Delaware used to be used for one of the control points for the GSP exit onto the NJ Tpk southbound, though it was not replicated elsewhere on the Tpk mainline in North Jersey.

Actually, the control destination for NJTP southbound listed on the GSP southbound exit sign is Del. Mem. Bridge

Which is why I typed used to. Definitely was the case in 1993.

[PHLBOS]

Delaware used to be used for one of the control points for the GSP exit onto the NJ Tpk southbound, though it was not replicated elsewhere on the Tpk mainline in North Jersey.

Actually, the control destination for NJTP southbound listed on the GSP southbound exit sign is Del. Mem. Bridge

Which is why I typed used to. Definitely was the case in 1993.

I've used that particular exit ramp during holiday weekends for nearly 22 years.  IIRC, the older porcelain, button-copy signs that the current BGS' replaced had Del. Mem. Bridge as a southbound Turnpike destination.  The old NJTP signage after the toll plaza (long since replaced) had Trenton listed as a southbound destination.

[Alex]

I'll dig out my 1993 video from the GSP and see where those Delaware signs were. Memories tend to get fuzzy over long periods of time, so perhaps it was further north where I recall them.

[roadman65]

I'll dig out my 1993 video from the GSP and see where those Delaware signs were. Memories tend to get fuzzy over long periods of time, so perhaps it was further north where I recall them.

I remember when I lived up there, back in 89 there was a sign replacement that took place that eliminated the control cities after the toll plaza and had both I-95 and the text "TURNPIKE" with the redundant directional banners as both signs had one for each road.  The Exit 8A plaza ramp had the same thing.  At that time I was unaware of the change of I-95 so I thought it was erroneous at the time to see I-95 signed south of Exit 10. The 8A signs had to be changed when the NJT was widened from Exit 9 south to there in the late 80s.  I do not know why the giant Exit 11 signs were replaced when generally the NJTA only replaces signs when they have to not at random.

[vdeane]

i meant exit 6 to 7a including the NJTP extension into PA, i should have worded it better...

Well, they're officially I-95 already, even though they aren't signed due to the interchange in PA not being done started yet.  Google tends to go by what officially is defined regardless of signage.

[NE2]

Google tends to go by whatever someone manages to sneak in there.

[PHLBOS]

I remember when I lived up there, back in 89 there was a sign replacement that took place that eliminated the control cities after the toll plaza and had both I-95 and the text "TURNPIKE" with the redundant directional banners as both signs had one for each road.  The Exit 8A plaza ramp had the same thing.  At that time I was unaware of the change of I-95 so I thought it was erroneous at the time to see I-95 signed south of Exit 10. The 8A signs had to be changed when the NJT was widened from Exit 9 south to there in the late 80s.  I do not know why the giant Exit 11 signs were replaced when generally the NJTA only replaces signs when they have to not at random.

The NJTP signs at Exit 11 (following the toll plaza) were replaced sometime during the late 90s/early 2000s.

[hbelkins]

Google tends to go by whatever someone manages to sneak in there.

Looks like most of US 78 in MS and AL is labeled as I-22 and I don't think it's signed yet.

[Alps]

i meant exit 6 to 7a including the NJTP extension into PA, i should have worded it better...

Well, they're officially I-95 already, even though they aren't signed due to the interchange in PA not being done started yet.  Google tends to go by what officially is defined regardless of signage.

The 6-7A section was added to 95 as part of the deal to officially kill off the Somerset Freeway.

[swbrotha100]

Is prematurely signing any of I-95 on the southern portion of the NJ Turnpike a way for the state to make up for not building the planned Somerset stretch?

As far as Google Maps jumping the gun, they have done that on portions of future I-69 and future I-22. I-95 isn't so bad because most non-roadgeeks probably think all or most of the Turnpike is officially I-95 anyway.

[Roadsguy]

And I-86. And I-478 in NY, but not 878. (Probably because there's already NY 878.)

[vdeane]

Is prematurely signing any of I-95 on the southern portion of the NJ Turnpike a way for the state to make up for not building the planned Somerset stretch?

It's not prematurely signed.  South of exit 7A, it's a hidden interstate to avoid motorist confusion, but it was designated by the FHWA because there's no upgrades needed on that section pertaining to the I-95 designation.

[YankeesFan]

i'm surprised google doesn't sign I-595 in Maryland.