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National Boards => General Highway Talk => Traffic Control => Topic started by: mass_citizen on December 04, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
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So since the "Worst of" thread seems to be getting filled with signs that are not "Worst of" I decided to create this. This is for all those interesting, odd, unique, bad (but not worst) and good (but not best) signs. I personally like looking at signs of all types and I think this is a good spot for those that are worth looking at, but not necessarily one of the extremes.
I'll submit one here:
http://goo.gl/maps/9RqdD
The arrow on this just looks way too long to me. Its almost as if they were trying to justify it with the legend. Thank god they didn't use the full spelling of Marlborough
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(http://i.imgur.com/pjObipl.jpg)
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http://goo.gl/maps/9RqdD
The arrow on this just looks way too long to me. Its almost as if they were trying to justify it with the legend. Thank god they didn't use the full spelling of Marlborough
Marlboro. ugh. :spin:
Isn't the arrow on that sign supposed to be the one pointing to the upper-right? Like the ones on overhead exit signs?
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(http://i.imgur.com/pjObipl.jpg)
Now that's the idea!!
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http://goo.gl/maps/9RqdD
The arrow on this just looks way too long to me. Its almost as if they were trying to justify it with the legend. Thank god they didn't use the full spelling of Marlborough
Marlboro. ugh. :spin:
Isn't the arrow on that sign supposed to be the one pointing to the upper-right? Like the ones on overhead exit signs?
The WB entrance a few hundred feet prior has the long arrow on one side for left turners and the diagonal arrow you are referring to on the other side
http://goo.gl/maps/gq0zY
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Going south on I-495 in Massachusetts, between exits 31 and 30, the shields for 2A and 110 on the exit sign are different fonts.
My picture is a bit strange because Google Maps censored I-495 going south.
http://goo.gl/maps/jpjB4
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looks like maybe the 2A fell off or deteriorated and was replaced with that larger bolder font.
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(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/714/21071890684_a6d571c73b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y73WY5)
Condo association was told they couldn't have an impaled head-on-a-stick, so they improvised.
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Going south on I-495 in Massachusetts, between exits 31 and 30, the shields for 2A and 110 on the exit sign are different fonts.
My picture is a bit strange because Google Maps censored I-495 going south.
http://goo.gl/maps/jpjB4
More likely, it was just that the GSV guy hasn't yet driven both sides of the road. I run into that problem quite often when using GSV.
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Condo association was hold they couldn't have an impaled head-on-a-stick, so they improvised.
LOL. love improvisation.
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Going south on I-495 in Massachusetts, between exits 31 and 30, the shields for 2A and 110 on the exit sign are different fonts.
My picture is a bit strange because Google Maps censored I-495 going south.
http://goo.gl/maps/jpjB4
More likely, it was just that the GSV guy hasn't yet driven both sides of the road. I run into that problem quite often when using GSV.
At first I thought you meant the numbers "495" were censored somewhere, which the software sometimes does automatically, thinking it's a license plate.
That is weird... the blackout goes from the south end of Exit 32 to just north of Exit 27. Usually if it hasn't been driven, it won't let you place the marker there at all. And all the southbound on-/off-ramps in that stretch have been driven and are fine. Technical difficulties?
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http://goo.gl/maps/9RqdD
The arrow on this just looks way too long to me. Its almost as if they were trying to justify it with the legend. Thank god they didn't use the full spelling of Marlborough
Marlboro. ugh. :spin:
Isn't the arrow on that sign supposed to be the one pointing to the upper-right? Like the ones on overhead exit signs?
One of the peculiarities of MassDPW/MassHighway guide sign standards. As the sign in question is inside the gore of an entrance ramp to a freeway, it's treated like an oversized "paddle" sign - hence the horizontal arrow as opposed to a slanted one.
As for Marlboro vs. Marlborough, the shorter spelling is still understood by drivers, and MassHighway was probably able to knock a foot or two off the panel width. Not a big deal with only one sign, but when you consider the typical Massachusetts signing project has between 200 and 300 major guide signs alone, that difference can add up quickly.
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That is weird... the blackout goes from the south end of Exit 32 to just north of Exit 27. Usually if it hasn't been driven, it won't let you place the marker there at all. And all the southbound on-/off-ramps in that stretch have been driven and are fine. Technical difficulties?
Seems to go as far north as exit 40.
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(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/3ef25b53.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/d282dc50.jpg)
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Best Goog censoring:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.751856,-92.3304&spn=0.007149,0.014173&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=34.751522,-92.330442&panoid=EJw5sv7O7imwVPd7zudcbQ&cbp=12,168.89,,2,2.07
Good god y'all.
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^ The Aggression and Extreme Prejudice Towards Others, Possibly Involving a Cardinal Direction; I tells 'ya.
Or, Armstrong Flower Fields in Carlsbad, California (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=33.122133,-117.316067&spn=0.01125,0.01929&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.122128,-117.315928&panoid=neK1pvJqMMXBrRZA8F7YIA&cbp=12,271.22,,0,1.5). The only time I've seen artwork to complement a couple of BGSs:
(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Fuoho5AhCj0Zn54vtPCLth6JL5e6Que2IT6Dz00ICO_47i4OZ4taar-sgFloPyZyHdYzpE9pVkjCXe1l7iiXdM7MoEd0MY3MAoIlv7lCCR5hoiDTw0d9aHevKGUMX3f6dotG1-hOJoLZ3Mlljj4Sqev_F8PicRXNlQ2BIElwl1c0OaRkGKtINhcC9JaJvtsOliHp2jg54LG-Ew7RVRd8zKBcdTM2pjDvndvlAjaiKRLS1ZQFNUdBF0oRBlAfdfdhGy5SN3yTMtlUpUfu9hYWPQq1KS4xKAH1txXo3IS5NP91Vj0olHs2jbU647Cm3IGGHC7_09Y9E73Vp14vSkYyVUMiuAoIzxXwGjkNnrkvoX4Dd2KNSPJQ8XXCTZOK5ODk9bqoyKmfzS3mGLl-ovkBtvT-jME6C6K8QFIdXIkvgfpAKktH_8s0DKIekV_QbE_Iug9ZDfA6YLAYWBHIi6LI4Tl2LE7DWRxlQFAsSsUKa2p_y8Dg8eEaKfz-MPJs3CVHh8GWF9kiB59Cv0dnti3TTYMWpV6TclRW5H-kllknQ9SSz8etqqtLr54XkTg8cL9RXOOOApz2CmxqQiFklArTvHkgRbFWSDAJVtofjdlT_R8jMYc2DG3J3RfW=w800-h533-no)
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My meager contribution... an odd ONE WAY and LTYOG combo sign:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2820/11198344835_478bd62c8d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94611454@N02/11198344835/)
8" 5-section Chapel Hill signal, 12"; DW-W Chapel Hill ped, Odd Combo Sign (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94611454@N02/11198344835/) by Signals Unlimited (http://www.flickr.com/people/94611454@N02/), on Flickr
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(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/d282dc50.jpg)
This sign is the 'Welcome to Nimbyia' sign!
Bunny ears (https://maps.google.com/?ll=52.331143,-1.736956&spn=0.031838,0.084543&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.331332,-1.75334&panoid=1xxxYfmojM9yshuaqJgKUg&cbp=12,263.81,,0,0.92) showing that you need to move left to turn right...
(http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/8/8d/M42_Motorway_Splits%2C_Crazy_Road_Sign_-_%22It_Could_Be_You%3F%22_-_Geograph_-_1283020.jpg)
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6602560053_4c0e7a2b58_z_d.jpg)
Ugly fonts in Oklahoma
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looks like everyone gets the idea! keep em coming!
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Whoever put those football jersey type numbers on the US 64 sign must have been either an OU Sooners fan or an OSU Cowboys fan.
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Bunny ears (https://maps.google.com/?ll=52.331143,-1.736956&spn=0.031838,0.084543&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.331332,-1.75334&panoid=1xxxYfmojM9yshuaqJgKUg&cbp=12,263.81,,0,0.92) showing that you need to move left to turn right...
(http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/8/8d/M42_Motorway_Splits%2C_Crazy_Road_Sign_-_%22It_Could_Be_You%3F%22_-_Geograph_-_1283020.jpg)
So, basically, a British jughandle.
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No, it's on a motorway. There's an overpass where they cross.
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/8993727962_57db782802_c.jpg)
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Going south on I-495 in Massachusetts, between exits 31 and 30, the shields for 2A and 110 on the exit sign are different fonts.
My picture is a bit strange because Google Maps censored I-495 going south.
http://goo.gl/maps/jpjB4
More likely, it was just that the GSV guy hasn't yet driven both sides of the road. I run into that problem quite often when using GSV.
At first I thought you meant the numbers "495" were censored somewhere, which the software sometimes does automatically, thinking it's a license plate.
That is weird... the blackout goes from the south end of Exit 32 to just north of Exit 27. Usually if it hasn't been driven, it won't let you place the marker there at all. And all the southbound on-/off-ramps in that stretch have been driven and are fine. Technical difficulties?
Maybe they should have gone to Walgreens to have their photos developed instead of CVS?? :D
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Best Goog censoring:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.751856,-92.3304&spn=0.007149,0.014173&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=34.751522,-92.330442&panoid=EJw5sv7O7imwVPd7zudcbQ&cbp=12,168.89,,2,2.07
Good god y'all.
That "sculpture" above it looks like something I'd do on paper if my pen was trying to run out of ink... :-/
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Some kind of warning sign in "nowhere, Mississippi"
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2417/2364137464_3b0c6a4c5a_z_d.jpg)
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/8993727962_57db782802_c.jpg)
That's awesome... where is it?
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/8993727962_57db782802_c.jpg)
We certainly could use something like that here in southeast Michigan. It seems like they are slapping up sensor-activated traffic signals anyplace they want, and most of them do not work.
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No, it's on a motorway. There's an overpass where they cross.
Yes and it appears on the sign as very thin gaps in the line.
It's a semi-directional T
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That's awesome... where is it?
Worthington, Ohio.
They have a couple variations around the city:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2880/8992542221_1bcd7eae76_c.jpg)
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That would be VERY helpful on a bike.
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Bunny ears (https://maps.google.com/?ll=52.331143,-1.736956&spn=0.031838,0.084543&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.331332,-1.75334&panoid=1xxxYfmojM9yshuaqJgKUg&cbp=12,263.81,,0,0.92) showing that you need to move left to turn right...
(http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/images/8/8d/M42_Motorway_Splits%2C_Crazy_Road_Sign_-_%22It_Could_Be_You%3F%22_-_Geograph_-_1283020.jpg)
I think it's amusing that the corner of the sign appears to be buried in the embankment…
Also, what's with the thick boxes? Are those parts changeable or something?
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Also, what's with the thick boxes? Are those parts changeable or something?
Yes, the M6 route can be either way around Birmingham - slightly shorter via the east and north sides but slightly quieter via the south and west sides. I believe the M42 West direction says '(M6 North)' though I've not seen it. I doubt it now changes, due to the M6 Toll and the attempt to get you to travel around Birmingham on that road.
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3407/3203182016_9c5844f698_z_d.jpg?zz=1)
Anorexic 380 in Roswell, NM
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Looks like someone designed a decent 70 spec wide shield, then realized they didn't have a wide piece of sheet metal to put it on…
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Near Winchester, VA:
(http://www.ezimba.com/work/131209C/ezimba12455842165800.jpg)
Good: Cutout shields.
Bad: 81 is off-center (almost as if a state-named shield had the state name covered up), and the 'To' is missing.
Ugly: The insanely squished (and almost unreadable) directional banners.
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3043/2889158303_95dbb237f5_z_d.jpg)
US 56 near Kansas City, MO
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Wah! Uber-shit-stain-ugly! I mean, if you thought the "US 200" sign at the Wye in Missoula was a pile of fail, heh! This tops the cake!
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3043/2889158303_95dbb237f5_z_d.jpg)
US 56 near Kansas City, MO
Ewwwwwwwwwwww. How exactly does this end up happening? I mean, don't you think whoever is putting the assembly up would look at it and go, "Wait a minute, something isn't right here..."?
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3043/2889158303_95dbb237f5_z_d.jpg)
US 56 near Kansas City, MO
While we're all running for our stomach meds, *please* say this is just short-sightedness on a local city's part, and not utter-mega-holy-crap-stupidity from a DOT (MO or KS).....
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I think Kansas City maintains US 56 in Missouri.
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http://goo.gl/maps/Mn4sI
How the I-4 shield on the WB sign got to be 50% larger than the EB shield is a complete mystery, and so is the arrow on the EB sign that looks to be much smaller than the pullthrough arrows.
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http://goo.gl/maps/TnKVV
It's fundamental!
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^^ Creeping sharia law?
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The only truly fundamental speed law is c.
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I think Kansas City maintains US 56 in Missouri.
The U.S. 56 shields where it intersects (and ends at) U.S. 71 are normal, MoDOT issue. The ugly ones are all along the remainder of the route in KCMO, and I believe NE2 is correct that it's city signage.
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This is just plain ugly...
http://goo.gl/maps/qwM6B
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Will I find a sign like this in the States? (EDIT: Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronrag/11047421175/))
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q77/s720x720/1526524_564999760248146_330572673_n.jpg)
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Will I find a sign like this in the States?
(https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/west_virginia064/i-064_wb_exit_121_06.jpg)
(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/maine050/i-095_sb_exit_103_02.jpg)
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Looks like someone designed a decent 70 spec wide shield, then realized they didn't have a wide piece of sheet metal to put it on…
they did. they just had it rotated 90 degrees.
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Will I find a sign like this in the States? (EDIT: Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronrag/11047421175/))
any overhead gantries with "welcome to X road" in the US? I seem to recall the PA turnpike had one many years ago.
it is a staple in Mexico.
(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/blog/photos/152911.jpg)
I thought I had a photo of one readily available that said "bienvenidos"* but this is the closest I've got offhand. the ones I am thinking about are generally green; the Circuito Exterior Mexiquense seems to be an anomaly with red.
* or sometimes "welcome", in English. the English ones are very popular in Baja California, hoping to attract US tourists. I've heard the Yucatan area also has English ones, but cannot confirm. metro Mexico City was all Spanish.
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Will I find a sign like this in the States? (EDIT: Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronrag/11047421175/))
any overhead gantries with "welcome to X road" in the US? I seem to recall the PA turnpike had one many years ago.
it is a staple in Mexico.
(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/blog/photos/152911.jpg)
I thought I had a photo of one readily available that said "bienvenidos"* but this is the closest I've got offhand. the ones I am thinking about are generally green; the Circuito Exterior Mexiquense seems to be an anomaly with red.
* or sometimes "welcome", in English. the English ones are very popular in Baja California, hoping to attract US tourists. I've heard the Yucatan area also has English ones, but cannot confirm. metro Mexico City was all Spanish.
At one time wasn't there an overhead "Welcome to the Thomas E Dewey Thruway" overhead sign at Thruway mile 0? I don't remember if it's still there or not.
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Will I find a sign like this in the States? (EDIT: Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronrag/11047421175/))
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q77/s720x720/1526524_564999760248146_330572673_n.jpg)
New Jersey does... kinda.
(http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users15/missxdelirium/default/welcome-new-jersey-turnpike-waaa--large-msg-117581713498.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4vUssCSEWQc/TLpPjGRaVII/AAAAAAAACyA/EPzmfVFzDcI/s1600/IMG8862_1.jpg)
If you're wondering, a normal New Jersey welcome sign (not on the GSP / NJTP) looks like this:
(http://ontheculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/usa-welcome-signs-new-jersey_zps1cb2a6cf.jpg)
I know both the Turnpike and the Parkway have 'Thanks for driving <toll road here> ' signs still standing at certain exits on those roads.
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(http://www.millenniumhwy.net/2009_Milford_PA_Day_3/Images/160.jpg)
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(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/maine050/i-095_sb_exit_103_02.jpg)
That sign makes it look like E-ZPass is a corporate sponsor: "Welcome to the E-ZPass Maine Turnpike." You know, sort of like college bowl games: the "Discover Orange Bowl" or the "Rose Bowl Game Presented by VIZIO."
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Until about a year after the MassDOT "merger" in 2009, the "Welcome to Massachusetts" sign on I-90 east in West Stockbridge included a MassPike shield, the legend "Massachusetts Turnpike Authority" and the names and titles of the then Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Turnpike Chairman.
The "Turnpike Authority" legend and names on the sign was mostly blued out for some time. Within the past year or so, the original sign has since been replaced with a MassDOT current standard Welcome sign.
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At one time wasn't there an overhead "Welcome to the Thomas E Dewey Thruway" overhead sign at Thruway mile 0? I don't remember if it's still there or not.
http://goo.gl/maps/24sEG
Also of note: those clearview county signs the Thruway installed are now in street view. And the "Thruway Speed Limit 55" sign.
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Also of note: those clearview county signs the Thruway installed are now in street view.
I truly hope you are not referring to the county pentagon shields being in Clearview - because if so I might gouge my eyes out.
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Also of note: those clearview county signs the Thruway installed are now in street view.
I truly hope you are not referring to the county pentagon shields being in Clearview - because if so I might gouge my eyes out.
No, these things: http://goo.gl/maps/D0qQs (Westchester) http://goo.gl/maps/D8zwl (Bronx); the only county pentagon I know of on the Thruway is at exit 38 for old NY 57.
Also: another overhead welcome sign: http://goo.gl/maps/uopa7
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No, these things: http://goo.gl/maps/D0qQs (Westchester) http://goo.gl/maps/D8zwl (Bronx); the only county pentagon I know of on the Thruway is at exit 38 for old NY 57.
Oh, well those are fine since they use mixed case Clearview legend on a positive contrast background.
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Not an overhead, but...
ISTHA posts welcome and thank you signage. Here's an older one from the former south end of I-355:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/i355southend.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/i355southend.jpg.html)
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40 is awfully slow for an expressway, don't you think?
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/11471507384_c2a2a5326f_b.jpg)
Does anyone know the Vienna way of signing ramp speed?
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40 is awfully slow for an expressway, don't you think?
Does anyone know the Vienna way of signing ramp speed?
I might see another speed limit circle past the exit, but I'm not sure.
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40 is awfully slow for an expressway, don't you think?
Does anyone know the Vienna way of signing ramp speed?
I might see another speed limit circle past the exit, but I'm not sure.
Actually, I think that's a "no passing".
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40 is awfully slow for an expressway, don't you think?
Does anyone know the Vienna way of signing ramp speed?
I might see another speed limit circle past the exit, but I'm not sure.
Actually, I think that's a "no passing".
It looks to me like there may be another speed limit sign beyond the "no passing" (or at least no something) up on top of that rise.
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Does anyone know the Vienna way of signing ramp speed?
There really is none. The UK has a version signed as:
Max
Speed
40
The US and Canada use a similar sign, black on yellow.
Germany uses a white on blue sign.
And Mexico uses the red circle in a white square with the speed in the middle and the word "SALIDA" above or below it.
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The Chicago area has a special number for reporting accidents and traffic problems.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3706_zpsc138b183.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3706_zpsc138b183.jpg.html)
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"Car phone" isn't a phrase you see much these days...
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Hello, *999? I'm reporting a road on the road. What's that? Oh, then; I'd like to report a bad case of line spacing on a big blue sign.
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Hello, *999? I'm reporting a road on the road. What's that? Oh, then; I'd like to report a bad case of line spacing on a big blue sign.
I'd like to report the use of Clearview in all caps on a blue service sign...
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Beware of another Veterans Memorial Bridge:
(http://i.imgur.com/XqAbMhQ.jpg)
(AZ-CA state line; Street View image)
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A sign I've seen from time-to-time in Illinois, but not anywhere much else (Archer Av, Justice, IL):
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3694_zps0a1fbe4b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3694_zps0a1fbe4b.jpg.html)
Sometimes a dash is used between "water" and "ice".
And this one is just interesting (Cortland, IL):
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3242_zps9370ab6a.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3242_zps9370ab6a.jpg.html)
A bit wordy for a diamond sign.
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I think custom warning signs are some of my favorite signs :bigass:
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A sign I've seen from time-to-time in Illinois, but not anywhere much else (Archer Av, Justice, IL):
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3694_zps0a1fbe4b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3694_zps0a1fbe4b.jpg.html)
Sometimes a dash is used between "water" and "ice".
And this one is just interesting (Cortland, IL):
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3242_zps9370ab6a.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3242_zps9370ab6a.jpg.html)
A bit wordy for a diamond sign.
1: "WATER / ICE ON ROAD"
2: "MAXIMUM 11' WIDTH AHEAD"
Bam.
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This sort of counts, I think. There's a bunch of random arrow signs posted around the Byrd Park area of Richmond, Virginia. They're not goofs since there's no context, and there's no evidence anything else was posted along with the arrows.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8376/8585162490_0c384cc2a3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coredesatchikai/8585162490/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8101/8584063991_012007900b_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coredesatchikai/8584063991/)
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Finderne Ave, Bridgewater / Manville, New Jersey, I present the 'ENTRANCE' variant of the 'ONE WAY' sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.576564!3d40.568042!2m2!1f102.26!2f86.69!4f75!2m9!1e1!2m4!1smrs8x-kH7rWlWMBcwnKxfw!2e0!9m1!6sFinderne+Avenue!5m2!1smrs8x-kH7rWlWMBcwnKxfw!2e0&fid=5
Since the picture quality is so shitty, I made a mockup of what the sign says:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/OW-ent_zps7826da94.png)
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This sort of counts, I think. There's a bunch of random arrow signs posted around the Byrd Park area of Richmond, Virginia. They're not goofs since there's no context, and there's no evidence anything else was posted along with the arrows.
Hmmm, too new for the Goog. Maybe they're planning on installing shields at a later date. Perhaps USBR 1 is getting realigned to follow R3 across the Boulevard Bridge (but it's dumb to not put the USBR 1 and R3 shields together)? Maps of current alignments here: http://www.richmond.com/recreation/article_bf1d480d-7b17-5651-8c6f-9a5a33aad617.html?mode=image&photo= Are the other arrows also along R3?
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Finderne Ave, Bridgewater / Manville, New Jersey, I present the 'ENTRANCE' variant of the 'ONE WAY' sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.576564!3d40.568042!2m2!1f102.26!2f86.69!4f75!2m9!1e1!2m4!1smrs8x-kH7rWlWMBcwnKxfw!2e0!9m1!6sFinderne+Avenue!5m2!1smrs8x-kH7rWlWMBcwnKxfw!2e0&fid=5
Since the picture quality is so shitty, I made a mockup of what the sign says:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/OW-ent_zps7826da94.png)
Reminds me of a couple similar signs that were located in Verdi, NV, which said "FREEWAY" instead. These were on the two-way I-80 frontage road that ends in an off ramp, so one should only travel one direction to get back to the Interstate.
Google Street View (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Verdi,+Verdi-Mogul,+NV&hl=en&ll=39.502004,-119.998523&spn=0.006499,0.013078&sll=36.125,-115.175&sspn=0.870758,1.674042&oq=verdi&hnear=Verdi-Mogul,+Washoe+County,+Nevada&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.501947,-119.998512&panoid=EWS_WNFKicN0WksfYHNZNQ&cbp=12,197.1,,0,9.16) of location, which now shows the old signs removed in favor of proper trailblazers back to I-80.
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This sort of counts, I think. There's a bunch of random arrow signs posted around the Byrd Park area of Richmond, Virginia. They're not goofs since there's no context, and there's no evidence anything else was posted along with the arrows.
Hmmm, too new for the Goog. Maybe they're planning on installing shields at a later date. Perhaps USBR 1 is getting realigned to follow R3 across the Boulevard Bridge (but it's dumb to not put the USBR 1 and R3 shields together)? Maps of current alignments here: http://www.richmond.com/recreation/article_bf1d480d-7b17-5651-8c6f-9a5a33aad617.html?mode=image&photo= Are the other arrows also along R3?
I think they are. I'll have to go back and check, though. (USBR 1 is actually the reason there isn't a R1, too.)
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Saw this on Friday outside the Wharf seafood restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia, where I was having lunch. I just found the sign interesting and kind of amusing. If there were flooding as far up as this sign I think I'd have retrieved my car and gotten out of there well before the water ever got that far!
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/6e544164471de1466eee9804cf85641b_zps302aceb1.jpg)
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lol. what a hack border.
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Found this (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Shoppes+Boulevard%2C+North+Brunswick%2C+NJ&data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.456382!3d40.459878!2m2!1f117.94!2f98.6!4f19.22!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sPg-9DCOYMYSDuRqaSXH9nA!2e0!9m1!6sShoppes+Boulevard!5m2!1sPg-9DCOYMYSDuRqaSXH9nA!2e0!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x89c3c42be8df62bd%3A0xe2442f186db89d4a!3m8!1m3!1d9960!2d-74.4523058!3d40.4643319!3m2!1i1301!2i630!4f13.1!4m2!3d40.4605466!4d-74.4575162&fid=5) while in North Brunswick today... not much to be said except that at least it was in a green background to signify it was guiding you... kinda...
Then in that same complex, this (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=Shoppes+Boulevard%2C+North+Brunswick%2C+NJ&data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.458721!3d40.46128!2m2!1f334.28!2f83.32!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1scPeN2cjCjIkAfLvP91CAXQ!2e0!9m1!6sShoppes+Boulevard!5m2!1scPeN2cjCjIkAfLvP91CAXQ!2e0!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x89c3c42be8df62bd%3A0xe2442f186db89d4a!3m8!1m3!1d9960!2d-74.4523058!3d40.4643319!3m2!1i1301!2i630!4f13.1!4m2!3d40.4605466!4d-74.4575162&fid=5) sign looks to be a guide sign, yet is posted with regulatory sign colors. And wouldn't a US 1 shield have sufficed here?
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I've noticed that shopping malls love creating their own sign standards.
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I was downloading videos from my dashcam and culling through them and I found I finally got a decent picture of the funky turn arrows at this intersection in Alexandria. I've passed them hundreds of times but never got a good picture until this one.
Location is just outside the Holiday Inn shown on this map: http://goo.gl/maps/JFTPj The arrows reflect the hotel's driveway adding an extra access point to and from this intersection.
I just find the arrows unique.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/FunkyarrowsEisenhower_zps8cfca8a9.png)
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Interesting VMS in Newark, New Jersey...
(http://imgick.nj.com/home/njo-media/pgmain/img/star-ledger/photo/2013/12/-4613d20e01b38583.jpg)
To quote from the article in which I found it,
Essex County Prosecutors office display signs asking for information on the homicides of Zainee Hailey, 13, and Kasson Mormon, 15, who were shot and killed on Christmas night at 102 Schley Street in Newark. The scene on Friday, December, 27, 2013. Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
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crap, I totally forgot to commit a homicide that day. maybe it's good for 2113?
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DelDOT puts those signs up here and there to say a lane or a ramp will be closed in the near future. What bugs me is that they don't give the day of the week.
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Interesting VMS in Newark, New Jersey...
(http://imgick.nj.com/home/njo-media/pgmain/img/star-ledger/photo/2013/12/-4613d20e01b38583.jpg)
To quote from the article in which I found it,
Essex County Prosecutors office display signs asking for information on the homicides of Zainee Hailey, 13, and Kasson Mormon, 15, who were shot and killed on Christmas night at 102 Schley Street in Newark. The scene on Friday, December, 27, 2013. Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
Would make me want to get a big plush Santa and place it face down at the base of the VMS with a toy knife in it;s back just to traumatize some kids.
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Uhhhh.... (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.841809!3d40.252906!2m2!1f296.92!2f84.04!4f19.92!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0!9m1!6sRiver+Road!5m2!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0&fid=5)
I don't have the faintest clue in why there is an I-95 shield with an arrow pointing... to the opposite side of the road. There's not even a ramp there!
And then there's this sign, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.817065!3d40.24086!2m2!1f144.11!2f82.62!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0!9m1!6sNew+Jersey+29!5m2!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0&fid=5) and out of the states I've visited, New Jersey's the only one who posts a sign like this.
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We need one of those lonely arrows signs to go with this.
http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ (http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ)
The library is actually half a mile straight ahead, but no one would ever know it from this sign.
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Uhhhh.... (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.841809!3d40.252906!2m2!1f296.92!2f84.04!4f19.92!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0!9m1!6sRiver+Road!5m2!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0&fid=5)
I don't have the faintest clue in why there is an I-95 shield with an arrow pointing... to the opposite side of the road. There's not even a ramp there!
Errrr, okay, I guess there's not a ramp right there, but there is one just around the curve there....
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Uhhhh.... (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.841809!3d40.252906!2m2!1f296.92!2f84.04!4f19.92!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0!9m1!6sRiver+Road!5m2!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0&fid=5)
I don't have the faintest clue in why there is an I-95 shield with an arrow pointing... to the opposite side of the road. There's not even a ramp there!
Errrr, okay, I guess there's not a ramp right there, but there is one just around the curve there....
While redundant with respect to the overhead BGS in the background; that trailblazer shield assembly can come in handy for one that's following a tall truck (which would block the BGS' from the lower vehicle's view).
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Uhhhh.... (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.841809!3d40.252906!2m2!1f296.92!2f84.04!4f19.92!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0!9m1!6sRiver+Road!5m2!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0&fid=5)
I don't have the faintest clue in why there is an I-95 shield with an arrow pointing... to the opposite side of the road. There's not even a ramp there!
And then there's this sign, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.817065!3d40.24086!2m2!1f144.11!2f82.62!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0!9m1!6sNew+Jersey+29!5m2!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0&fid=5) and out of the states I've visited, New Jersey's the only one who posts a sign like this.
Could that be on the border entering Trenton? Maybe they're being discreet about it!
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Uhhhh.... (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.841809!3d40.252906!2m2!1f296.92!2f84.04!4f19.92!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0!9m1!6sRiver+Road!5m2!1sbbSjLpAYA5Wv6YbtLOYL2g!2e0&fid=5)
I don't have the faintest clue in why there is an I-95 shield with an arrow pointing... to the opposite side of the road. There's not even a ramp there!
And then there's this sign, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.817065!3d40.24086!2m2!1f144.11!2f82.62!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0!9m1!6sNew+Jersey+29!5m2!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0&fid=5) and out of the states I've visited, New Jersey's the only one who posts a sign like this.
Could that be on the border entering Trenton? Maybe they're being discreet about it!
It is exactly at the border.
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Could that be on the border entering Trenton? Maybe they're being discreet about it!
So that's a sign saying you entered Trenton's city limits? Because there is a 'WELCOME TO TRENTON' sign not too far up this road.
As for the I-95 shield, I understand the ramp is not too far from the sign, but it would make a lot more sense to place it when NJ 29 splits from the I-95 ramps.
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So it should be an M5-2 (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2d_05_longdesc.htm) rather than an M6-2. Woo.
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/10770185674_8f4c059d4f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssoworld/10770185674/)
US-101 NB (Mission St) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssoworld/10770185674/) by ssoworld (http://www.flickr.com/people/ssoworld/), on Flickr
Note the number of left turn options...
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We need one of those lonely arrows signs to go with this.
http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ (http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ)
The library is actually half a mile straight ahead, but no one would ever know it from this sign.
love library signs.
whats with this LGS/street sign further up at the intersection? it looks like a list of street names but doenst give any directional information.
http://goo.gl/maps/UaWsH
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We need one of those lonely arrows signs to go with this.
http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ (http://goo.gl/maps/468YJ)
The library is actually half a mile straight ahead, but no one would ever know it from this sign.
love library signs.
whats with this LGS/street sign further up at the intersection? it looks like a list of street names but doenst give any directional information.
http://goo.gl/maps/UaWsH
It's a list of all of the streets in the no-outlet subdivision. All but Schmid Dr. should properly have arrows next to the street names: http://goo.gl/maps/TTFzE (http://goo.gl/maps/TTFzE)
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And then there's this sign, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.817065!3d40.24086!2m2!1f144.11!2f82.62!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0!9m1!6sNew+Jersey+29!5m2!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0&fid=5) and out of the states I've visited, New Jersey's the only one who posts a sign like this.
It is somewhat analogous to how the Topeka city limits (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Topeka,+KS&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Topeka,+Shawnee,+Kansas&ll=39.053351,-95.785568&spn=0.001135,0.002411&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=39.053355,-95.785353&panoid=SHDP7FUk6dgVceL9PChfgQ&cbp=12,82.29,,0,0) are treated on I-70 eastbound ("CAPITAL CITY" replaces the usual "CITY LIMIT").
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Here's another one:
http://goo.gl/maps/rGx5A (http://goo.gl/maps/rGx5A)
It's a white rectangular regulatory sign, so does it mean that the presence of a blind person in the area is mandatory? :hmmm:
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So it should be an M5-2 (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/fig2d_05_longdesc.htm) rather than an M6-2. Woo.
Actually, M5-4 would be more appropriate; especially further down NJ 29 makes more of a sharp right whereas the ramp to I-95 stays more straight.
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Interesting VMS in Newark, New Jersey...
(http://imgick.nj.com/home/njo-media/pgmain/img/star-ledger/photo/2013/12/-4613d20e01b38583.jpg)
To quote from the article in which I found it,
Essex County Prosecutors office display signs asking for information on the homicides of Zainee Hailey, 13, and Kasson Mormon, 15, who were shot and killed on Christmas night at 102 Schley Street in Newark. The scene on Friday, December, 27, 2013. Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
I don't remember the intersection, but I remember seeing one in Winston-Salem asking for information about a hit-and-run that happened.
Here's a sign I've never seen anywhere else - http://goo.gl/maps/3I6XD
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^^ Cobb Co GA goes bezerk with those (5 flashers in one spot): http://goo.gl/maps/obMiD
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^^ Cobb Co GA goes bezerk with those (5 flashers in one spot): http://goo.gl/maps/obMiD
That's overkill. 2 flashers would've sufficed, if not one.
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Keep this thread going! MA 62, going west, just west of MA 28
(http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/streetview?size=200x200&location=42.583704,-71.11553&heading=348.01&fov=60&sensor=false&pitch=-9)
(http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/streetview?size=200x200&location=42.583704,-71.11553&heading=348.01&fov=10&sensor=false&pitch=-9)
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And then there's this sign, (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-74.817065!3d40.24086!2m2!1f144.11!2f82.62!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0!9m1!6sNew+Jersey+29!5m2!1slGDWtMHI74TdQVxRWYExxw!2e0&fid=5) and out of the states I've visited, New Jersey's the only one who posts a sign like this.
It is somewhat analogous to how the Topeka city limits (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Topeka,+KS&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Topeka,+Shawnee,+Kansas&ll=39.053351,-95.785568&spn=0.001135,0.002411&t=m&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=39.053355,-95.785353&panoid=SHDP7FUk6dgVceL9PChfgQ&cbp=12,82.29,,0,0) are treated on I-70 eastbound ("CAPITAL CITY" replaces the usual "CITY LIMIT").
Is that actually the city limit, though? If you continue east on I-70, there's a typical "Topeka / CITY LIMIT" sign near the bridge upstream of the I-470 ramp diverge.
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Is that actually the city limit, though? If you continue east on I-70, there's a typical "Topeka / CITY LIMIT" sign near the bridge upstream of the I-470 ramp diverge.
This is not an easy question to answer. Using Google Maps' shading distinction between incorporated and unincorporated land, the first sign (which references Topeka as "CAPITAL CITY") is located at the point where the Topeka municipal boundary first touches I-70. (It does not appear to cross the I-70 right-of-way line, but I don't consider Google Maps reliable for such a determination.) The boundary runs parallel to I-70 for several hundred feet before it jogs first south and then north, crossing I-70 just downstream of the Urish Road bridge. The "CITY LIMIT" sign is in fact located just upstream of the crossing point, a siting which is probably necessitated by the bridge.
If memory serves, KDOT considers an official city limit sign to be properly located at the point where the city limit actually crosses the highway, even if the limit line has been parallel to and adjacent to the highway for a considerable distance to that point. The "CITY LIMIT" sign in this case appears to meet this criterion.
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This is not an easy question to answer. Using Google Maps' shading distinction between incorporated and unincorporated land, the first sign (which references Topeka as "CAPITAL CITY") is located at the point where the Topeka municipal boundary first touches I-70.
No need to use the Goog. http://maps.topeka.org/website/NewZoning/viewer.htm (the Goog is essentially correct; the city limits are the south ROW of I-70 and the east ROW of Urish)
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I found this just off of US 165 in Monroe, LA near the ULM campus. However, it belonged to a tree cutting company by the same name repairing tornado damage at a nearby house. I thought LA DOTD had a sense of humor.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/12178840513_afb1929c83.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
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I found this just off of US 165 in Monroe, LA near the ULM campus. However, it belonged to a tree cutting company by the same name repairing tornado damage at a nearby house. I thought LA DOTD had a sense of humor.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/12178840513_afb1929c83.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
Most people would think it was a typo for "caution".
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Went down to Dallas last Tuesday for work (just for the day), and found this near my site:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3745_zps5b3d55f8.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3745_zps5b3d55f8.jpg.html)
Thought it was interesting due to the use of "IH" instead of "I-" or "Interstate" (yes, I know it's Texas-standard).
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I assume the 'I H' stands for 'Interstate Highway', correct?
Also, I get a strange feeling that 'Avenue H' should be 'H Avenue', but then again, I don't know Dallas (or Texas for that matter) that well.
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I assume the 'I H' stands for 'Interstate Highway', correct?
Also, I get a strange feeling that 'Avenue H' should be 'H Avenue', but then again, I don't know Dallas (or Texas for that matter) that well.
Interstates are IH- in Texas.
And I think Avenue H is also called Avenue H in New York.
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I found this just off of US 165 in Monroe, LA near the ULM campus. However, it belonged to a tree cutting company by the same name repairing tornado damage at a nearby house. I thought LA DOTD had a sense of humor.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/12178840513_afb1929c83.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/geojosh/12178840513/)
Most people would think it was a typo for "caution".
No one in Louisiana would think Cajun was a typo for caution. ;-)
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I think it's in poor taste to advertise one's business name on a sign that's supposed to warn motorists of a hazard on the road.
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I think it's in poor taste to advertise one's business name on a sign that's supposed to warn motorists of a hazard on the road.
Could be ethnic, as in they are tree cutters who are Cajuns.
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I think it's in poor taste to advertise one's business name on a sign that's supposed to warn motorists of a hazard on the road.
Could be ethnic, as in they are tree cutters who are Cajuns.
I'm pretty sure it was both. The truck in the yard had the same name as the sign. Didn't catch a glance of the people working, but there's a good chance they were part Cajun.
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this confusing as well as ugly specific service sign is courtesy of MassDOT.
http://goo.gl/maps/WE6AO
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this confusing as well as ugly specific service sign is courtesy of MassDOT.
http://goo.gl/maps/WE6AO
Note not only the white arrow next to Dunkin Donuts, but the very long black arrow that you can barely tell is an arrow on the actual DD plate as well.
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this confusing as well as ugly specific service sign is courtesy of MassDOT.
http://goo.gl/maps/WE6AO
Note not only the white arrow next to Dunkin Donuts, but the very long black arrow that you can barely tell is an arrow on the actual DD plate as well.
wow. just noticed that. this just got even uglier.
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At the end of the entry road to the Ohio Reformatory for Women,
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/11/yzu8ypa7.jpg)
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Speeding ticket menu on Martin County Road 714 in Florida:
(http://c8.staticflickr.com/1/657/21594303455_1cea3b1484_c.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/yUds5P)
It's about the only time I've seen a permanent sign for this kind of thing; probably not helped by getting a spot on Car & Driver's "Ten Best Places to Speed" back in the 1990s. On the contrary, I like to slow down on this section...50 mph is the posted limit, by the way.
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^^ I have seen such signs in Pennsylvania.
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that's not all that unreasonable. here in California, we've got $860 for a right turn on red camera.
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^^ I have seen such signs in Pennsylvania.
Such as this (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9533.msg272661#msg272661)?
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Note not only the white arrow next to Dunkin Donuts, but the very long black arrow that you can barely tell is an arrow on the actual DD plate as well.
When that sign was first put up, the DD was to the right. The whole thing should be done over.
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that's not all that unreasonable. here in California, we've got $860 for a right turn on red camera.
I'm not always the biggest champion of uniformity, but the haphazard fine choices - HOV, Red Light, et al - from varying jurisdictions in California seems a bit clumsy. The numbers just seem to be randomly pulled from a hat.
The example I've posted seems to display that they'll err by 5 mph, interestingly. Under normal conditions (not a school or work zone), there's no fine range for 1-5 over the posted limit in Florida.
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...and the faster you go, the more you save!
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...and the faster you go, the more you save!
Yeah, everybody knows that.
But did you know that the Devil actually invented Clearview, and that's why North Dakota, home of Devil's Lake, uses it?
Sorry, I hate Clearview.
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https://maps.google.com/maps?q=arcata+ca&ll=40.875162,-124.083294&spn=0.00066,0.001206&hnear=Arcata,+Humboldt+County,+California&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=40.875165,-124.083358&panoid=jrZo2xzwkVYO-8ngELuf-Q&cbp=12,9.5,,3,-11.98
The opposite corner arrows anyone?
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https://maps.google.com/maps?q=arcata+ca&ll=40.875162,-124.083294&spn=0.00066,0.001206&hnear=Arcata,+Humboldt+County,+California&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=40.875165,-124.083358&panoid=jrZo2xzwkVYO-8ngELuf-Q&cbp=12,9.5,,3,-11.98
The opposite corner arrows anyone?
:banghead:
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3407/3203182016_9c5844f698_z_d.jpg?zz=1)
Anorexic 380 in Roswell, NM
Lol. Eastconomy Motors. :-D
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(http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videologsource1/12238003/A38070000S/I_02344.jpg)
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Hmm, that's funny, I don't see any water for a boat to be crossing the road... :bigass:
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Hmm, that's funny, I don't see any water for a boat to be crossing the road... :bigass:
Maybe it's for times like these:
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That sign... No words to describe it...
:-o
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Interprinceton 6k:
(http://i.imgur.com/3ge9Alh.jpg)
Please note, per forum policy: Image height is restricted to 600px. ~S
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Interprinceton 6k:
(http://i.imgur.com/3ge9Alh.jpg)
Where is this? In another country?
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Interprinceton 6k:
Where is this? In another country?
UCLA.
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A double roundabout diagram. Never seen one before.
BC Highway 97 at Campbell Road (http://goo.gl/JRKExq)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxqo2TK.png)
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South of Rock Falls, IL:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3781_zps62aa4ea0.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3781_zps62aa4ea0.jpg.html)
I-88 eastbound, Rock Falls, IL:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3784_zpsff153ce2.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3784_zpsff153ce2.jpg.html)
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what if your truck is 10ft 1in?
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A double roundabout diagram. Never seen one before.
BC Highway 97 at Campbell Road (http://goo.gl/JRKExq)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxqo2TK.png)
These are quite common in Europe. The UK sign design manual has a section devoted to the design of this type of sign.
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Fezzes are cool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWYw0CnuSI)
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and FUNNY!
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Fezzes are cool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWYw0CnuSI)
As were bow ties. Alas, like tennis shoes with a suit, they pass on. Now we have a long coat.
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Any time I see a pictorial Yield Ahead sign where the yield symbol is really huge, I think of the early-episodes of Family Guy where the character's mouths really show their teeth:
(http://i.imgur.com/jzM7lNT.jpg) (https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.301982,-74.768486&spn=0.028147,0.055747&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=40.301897,-74.768578&panoid=MJjWeANQxI9WDZy1FMSU5Q&cbp=12,247,,2,4.92)
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090722171326/familyguy/images/e/e4/Jennifer.jpg)
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Any time I see a pictorial Yield Ahead sign where the yield symbol is really huge, I think of the early-episodes of Family Guy where the character's mouths really show their teeth:
Once it's seen, it cannot be unseen!
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This seems like the right thread for this:
(http://i.imgur.com/sCAt7SB.jpg?1)
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^ Pick-a-state, Anystate? But probably...Massachusetts?
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^ Pick-a-state, Anystate? But probably...Massachusetts?
I know it's not Illinois. No route 27 of any type, state, US, or Interstate.
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^ Pick-a-state, Anystate? But probably...Massachusetts?
Given what looks like a paddle sign across the road, I'd say you're right.
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Yes, these type of signs are mounted both approaching and departing the intersection of Routes 27 and 109 in Medfield, MA.
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^ Pick-a-state, Anystate? But probably...Massachusetts?
Given what looks like a paddle sign across the road, I'd say you're right.
I always thought the paddle signs were duplicated on both sides? (Then again, I haven't spent any serious time in MA since 1991.)
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I always thought the paddle signs were duplicated on both sides? (Then again, I haven't spent any serious time in MA since 1991.)
They can be, but usually aren't.
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New signs outside Nationals Park on Friday. Never seen either before anywhere else. The second one strikes me as really odd. If the taxi driver stops to pick up someone hailing him, how exactly do they plan to tow his cab? A ticket, sure, but do they really intend to remove the cabbie from his vehicle (by force if needed) so as to tow the cab?
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/BDE6DC81-8DE9-497F-B362-1164522F6FFE_zpslvjuwcyi.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/2D052CCE-4AEB-4885-8F6D-C6BBB384E359_zps8cuz1qak.jpg)
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:banghead: What in the world is this? (Forgive me for being a bit of a font n00b, but this is something I have never seen)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3759/13836866795_c4a4c552d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT)
Shields at Grovenor Metro Station Exit (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/13837244474_8fe2ff8dc2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n5KuGA)
Odd Shields (https://flic.kr/p/n5KuGA) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
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New signs outside Nationals Park on Friday. Never seen either before anywhere else. The second one strikes me as really odd. If the taxi driver stops to pick up someone hailing him, how exactly do they plan to tow his cab? A ticket, sure, but do they really intend to remove the cabbie from his vehicle (by force if needed) so as to tow the cab?
Ugh, taxis... Taxi's interpret NO STOPPING as TAXI STAND. I prefer the second one though and the first is too wordy. A cabbie pictogram would be nice.
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Great sign near Puyallup, Washington. The font haters will like this because it uses the loved-by-all Comic Sans and of course, to top everything off, Clearview on brown. Really lovely isn't it?
(http://i.imgur.com/uNcBCAj.jpg) (http://imgur.com/uNcBCAj)
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You know, I understand sign designing companies will allow custom signs, and I'm all for that, but can they start to reduce the number of custom fonts? This is just ugly.
As for the Clearview park sign, well, it surprisingly didn't turn out as bad as I could imagine it to be, but this shouldn't become a trend.
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^ Pick-a-state, Anystate? But probably...Massachusetts?
correct.
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:banghead: What in the world is this? (Forgive me for being a bit of a font n00b, but this is something I have never seen)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3759/13836866795_c4a4c552d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT)
Shields at Grovenor Metro Station Exit (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
The font looks like Franklin Gothic, but its been compressed on the shield, and stretched on the banners.
...could be wrong, though.
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I always thought the paddle signs were duplicated on both sides? (Then again, I haven't spent any serious time in MA since 1991.)
They can be, but usually aren't.
The majority of Massachusetts "paddle" signs (except for those at the ends of freeway off-ramps) were normally double-sided for several decades. The transition away from PBS (painted both sides) signs began in the mid-1990s (at the same time as MassHighway started including actual route shields on all signs instead of numbers) and was encouraged by MUTCD and local FHWA guidance to place most directional signs on the right side of the road.
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:banghead: What in the world is this? (Forgive me for being a bit of a font n00b, but this is something I have never seen)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3759/13836866795_c4a4c552d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT)
Shields at Grovenor Metro Station Exit (https://flic.kr/p/n5HyqT) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
The font looks like Franklin Gothic, but its been compressed on the shield, and stretched on the banners.
...could be wrong, though.
Stretched Franklin Gothic is exactly right for the banners, but the shields are Helvetica Black.
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You know, I understand sign designing companies will allow custom signs, and I'm all for that, but can they start to reduce the number of custom fonts? This is just ugly.
As for the Clearview park sign, well, it surprisingly didn't turn out as bad as I could imagine it to be, but this shouldn't become a trend.
There are some brown signs using Clearview (either all-Clearview or partial) on the George Washington Memorial Parkway near Arlington Memorial Bridge. The Clearview is in all-caps, too. I've never been able to get a good picture due to traffic in the area, though.
It looks weird when it's on the same sign as the National Park Service's standard serif font!
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The transition away from PBS (painted both sides) signs began in the mid-1990s (at the same time as MassHighway started including actual route shields on all signs instead of numbers)
Actually, one of the first non-painted on both sides paddle LGS' date back to 1977 when Bell Circle (MA 1A/16/60) was reconstructed w/its cut-through (for MA 60 West/MA 1A South transition movements). Those LGS panels were also one of if not the first metal LGS'. Those particular LGS' have all since been replaced. Scroll down for photos of the original metal Bell Circle BGS' (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_1a/2.html)
Wooden paddle LGS' were made up until the early-to-mid 90s.
Painted wooden LGS panels containing messages only on one side had the backs painted in a flat green finish rather than a reflective/glossy finish.
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5191/13860659405_4691ded97b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i)
VMS on a Pole (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
PA's got a ton of those; some are even located in the median (example: I-476 along the Blue Route).
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NJ installed a lot of theirs low to the ground. I wished they would do what PA does, just so they're easier to see from the furthest lane away.
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5191/13860659405_4691ded97b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i)
VMS on a Pole (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
That was a common mounting option for early "fiber optic/flip disc" VMS panels installed in many states in the 1990s. One of the reasons for this was that the "FO/FD" design necessitated the use of walk-in cabinets for component maintenance and replacement.
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
MoDOT does that rather often.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_3832_zps89b970fc.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_3832_zps89b970fc.jpg.html)
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How about this one? An attempt to save on the cost of a 1/4" bolt? Also this is just odd for many reasons. Too low, mounted on a rock, colors mixed, doesn't make sense.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/13860691163_8e1695bc69.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7PEzR)
Saving Bolts (https://flic.kr/p/n7PEzR) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
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How about this one? An attempt to save on the cost of a 1/4" bolt? Also this is just odd for many reasons. Too low, mounted on a rock, colors mixed, doesn't make sense.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/13860691163_8e1695bc69.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7PEzR)
Saving Bolts (https://flic.kr/p/n7PEzR) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
Sadly, the "let's save a bolt or two" practice is all too common in many muncipalities in Massachusetts.
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How about this one? An attempt to save on the cost of a 1/4" bolt? Also this is just odd for many reasons. Too low, mounted on a rock, colors mixed, doesn't make sense.
given the loading docks in the background, I would bet that it was actually the company who owns the warehouse who put up those two signs on the public right of way. I think they probably asked the relevant municipal authority to furnish signage... but when one more of their trucks got dinged by a careless driver while the request was slowly worming through the bureaucracy, they just went ahead and procured for themselves.
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
[no texting/no hand-held phone]
well, that's better than the "if you see something, say something" that was prevalent circa 2006, but it's still pretty fucking nanny.
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"if you see something, say something" that was prevalent circa 2006
I have seen something similar to that in 2014.
(It's on an advertising sign that switches between advertisements and public service announcements).
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5191/13860659405_4691ded97b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i)
VMS on a Pole (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
O(hio)DOT sometimes does that when there's a curve in the road, so the sign is directly ahead of the traffic a couple hundred feet upstream.
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This is probably fake, but it made me smile anyway:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/252029_10151176439306765_385468626_n_zps778a3e64.jpg)
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This is probably fake, but it made me smile anyway:
(http://projectroadrush.freeforums.net/attachment/download/14)
I don't see anything - but it might be because the link is pointing to an attachment on a forum, which is usually unable to be linked to without registration.
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I don't see anything - but it might be because the link is pointing to an attachment on a forum, which is usually unable to be linked to without registration.
It's showing up fine for me on multiple devices, but thanks for telling me. I'll edit the original post.
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It's showing up fine for me on multiple devices, but thanks for telling me. I'll edit the original post.
If that sign is fake - then I will give whoever did that a gold medal in Photoshopping, because it's fooling me.
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It's showing up fine for me on multiple devices, but thanks for telling me. I'll edit the original post.
If that sign is fake - then I will give whoever did that a gold medal in Photoshopping, because it's fooling me.
This image has been featured here before. I believe it was determined to be fake. But it is indeed a very good fake.
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5191/13860659405_4691ded97b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i)
VMS on a Pole (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
Vermont's only permanent VMS is mounted on two poles on the side and is about 1/4 the size of the above linked image. It's located on I-89 North after Exit 4 and the former rest area on the climb up to Brookfield Heights, the highest point on I-89.
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.042676,-72.609744,3a,75y,29.68h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdK_yBBBL3dmXbfzs-Tbi8A!2e0
Also in recent years, MassDOT has installed some slightly larger ones than the VT one on I-91 in the Greenfield area. Given MassDOT's desire to move all BGSs to overheads (even in extremely rural areas), I wonder if the VMSs too will go overhead.
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7134/13939688336_bf411dba3a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/neNxG5)
48732 (https://flic.kr/p/neNxG5) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people/39506502@N04/), on Flickr
135th just west of Nall. Given the actual design of the sign and the orange sticker in back, this is at best a refurbished KDOT installation that probably is a leftover from the K-150 days.
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The red and white No Right Turn on Red sign in Mountain City, TN is the only one of its kind I've seen. I had to use a weird angle to get a good StreetView image of it - http://goo.gl/maps/LHQPV
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I thought this was odd because VMS are usually mounted overhead. I don't think I've ever seen one mounted on a pole like this. Looks like a billboard. I-495 in Maryland.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5191/13860659405_4691ded97b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i)
VMS on a Pole (https://flic.kr/p/n7Pv9i) by Elliott P (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
NCDOT has put up VMS with this style in advance of the Business 40 project in Winston-Salem.
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"Right Lane Must Turn Right" on a freeway (http://goo.gl/7JIxnZ). WSDOT...wat
(http://i.imgur.com/cwSJI6a.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/EQWSV4Q.jpg)
Across from the county courthouse, in Guthrie. Particularly unique, odd, and interesting because as far as I know, Logan County (and Oklahoma in general!) has never used county pentagons...
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That white on blue County Route shield reminds me of how Somerset County signs their county roads... well, I think they stopped and switched to yellow on blue now.
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The stick-on letters look as if they were purchased from either Hobby Lobby or Dollar General.
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I think that might be mailbox font series "C"
:-D
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A couple of interesting spots today in Seattle:
A symbol-only "no right turn on red":
(http://i.imgur.com/vw2kEvn.png)
And a new theme in Seattle (it would seem). Overhead "turn only" signs that are white arrows on a black background. I think they look nicer with the black signal arm.
(http://i.imgur.com/5uqfXk0.jpg)
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^^ So Seattle adopted the Canadian "no turn on red" symbol sign I see.
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The first time I saw that style of No Turn on Red sign was on the Island of Montreal. Turning on red is now legal in the province of Quebec except on the Island of Montreal (similar to New York State versus New York City, though I don't know of Montreal having an exception where a sign permits it like NYC has).
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^^ So Seattle adopted the Canadian "no turn on red" symbol sign I see.
Yes, they are going the way of the Canucks! Fine by me, I prefer their MUTCD anyways.
The first time I saw that style of No Turn on Red sign was on the Island of Montreal. Turning on red is now legal in the province of Quebec except on the Island of Montreal (similar to New York State versus New York City, though I don't know of Montreal having an exception where a sign permits it like NYC has).
I only started paying attention to signs about a year ago, but I too have only seen this sign in Canada. There is a sort of half-symbol-half-text no turn on red sign a number of blocks south at the off-ramp from I-5 North (http://goo.gl/HN1lM3) but this is the only American symbol-only no turn on red that I have ever seen.
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Ryder University had these signs posted near the south exit/entrance to the University - my guess is they were trying to help people get back home (today was the Class of 2014 Commencement Ceremony, which my family attended). Yeah, it's pretty ugly, but at least the fonts didn't turn out to be Arial. Or something worse.
Sorry for the amount of water on the window - it was raining. Very hard. I got rained on quite hard while walking to my parent's car... but I didn't care. Worst case scenario my hair was really wet, which didn't really bother me. (And for those wondering - yeah, it got pretty wet... as did the rest of my body)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/IMG_1504_zps26527ad1.jpg)
Also, there was this sign, which I had to do a rendition of, because I couldn't get my phone unlocked fast enough to snap it... (somehow they got the Turnpike shield right here, because I remember thinking to myself "wow, they used the correct fonts" and then smacking my head when I saw the non-cutout shields ahead. And yes, the sign had just the white background behind it, no border, and used Arial.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/RyderGuideSign_zpsb495893b.png)
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Sorry for the amount of water on the window - it was raining. Very hard.
Quit with the excuses. Get out there and dry the window next time! :-)
Otherwise, for a temporary setup, looks like they executed it well, with guiding traffic both directions to prevent overloading of any one particular route.
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Otherwise, for a temporary setup, looks like they executed it well, with guiding traffic both directions to prevent overloading of any one particular route.
True, except the junction with I-95 is probably less than a mile north of the University, and the sorry saps who went south on 206 got to see the worst of Trenton (and probably added about 5-10 more minutes) getting to I-195. Coming to the University, Exit 7A was packed coming from I-95 North. Coming out was easy since there wasn't much traffic at all.
Quit with the excuses. Get out there and dry the window next time! :-)
Well that would've worked if it weren't POURING rain when I took the picture. :D
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Well that would've worked if it weren't POURING rain when I took the picture. :D
Get a tent to cover the car and the shields. And dry the shields first too. And the scenery.
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Well that would've worked if it weren't POURING rain when I took the picture. :D
Get a tent to cover the car and the shields. And dry the shields first too. And the scenery.
If we are gonna get a tent why not just stay the night there? Get a number of shots at different light levels, just see which one turns out best! Easy.
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Well that would've worked if it weren't POURING rain when I took the picture. :D
Get a tent to cover the car and the shields. And dry the shields first too. And the scenery.
If we are gonna get a tent why not just stay the night there? Get a number of shots at different light levels, just see which one turns out best! Easy.
While you're at it, why don't you just make it stop raining. Can't be too hard.
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So for next time, it looks like I need to use my WeatherChanger Machine™ that I have secretly built, bring an oversized hair dryer, and set up for the night with a tent.
How genius.
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Well that would've worked if it weren't POURING rain when I took the picture. :D
Get a tent to cover the car and the shields. And dry the shields first too. And the scenery.
If we are gonna get a tent why not just stay the night there? Get a number of shots at different light levels, just see which one turns out best! Easy.
While you're at it, why don't you just make it stop raining. Can't be too hard.
Too easy.
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Interesting groups of signs I found on a fire station in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.894972,-87.748502,3a,19.6y,313.52h,87.57t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPq5a7UaRGrLWyP-n0cCU5g!2e0
From what I can see in the picture, the shields say 'UNIT(s)' at the top, and the unit number at the bottom. It looks to be in full FHWA font as well.
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Interesting groups of signs I found on a fire station in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.894972,-87.748502,3a,19.6y,313.52h,87.57t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPq5a7UaRGrLWyP-n0cCU5g!2e0
From what I can see in the picture, the shields say 'UNIT(s)' at the top, and the unit number at the bottom. It looks to be in full FHWA font as well.
They probably asked a local DOT sign shop to makee those for them. They're probably retroreflective and everything. The US route marker seems appropriate because of the shape similarity to police/fire badges.
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They probably asked a local DOT sign shop to makee those for them. They're probably retroreflective and everything. The US route marker seems appropriate because of the shape similarity to police/fire badges.
A couple stations here have something along those lines, although slightly less serious.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/24/yhy8a5eb.jpg)
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http://goo.gl/maps/eWLV1
Texas has Alternate US 90 and Alternate US 77. We have Alternate LA 2 and Alternate Myth and Legends Trail.
http://goo.gl/maps/eWLV1
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Interesting groups of signs I found on a fire station in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.894972,-87.748502,3a,19.6y,313.52h,87.57t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPq5a7UaRGrLWyP-n0cCU5g!2e0
From what I can see in the picture, the shields say 'UNIT(s)' at the top, and the unit number at the bottom. It looks to be in full FHWA font as well.
They probably asked a local DOT sign shop to makee those for them. They're probably retroreflective and everything. The US route marker seems appropriate because of the shape similarity to police/fire badges.
Probably CDOT, not IDOT. The Chicago Department of Transportation (CDOT) is responsible for all non-expressway signage in the city, including Lake Shore Drive.
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I still get a kick out the BC dashed borders...it seems that they largely are involved with truck signs, but there are some that aren't directly related to trucks, so not 100% sure. Also, these signs aren't particularly unique (there's hundreds across BC) but they are certainly unique to BC, from my knowledge.
(http://i.imgur.com/eF68QOH.png)(http://i.imgur.com/OkcDoDX.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/eF68QOH.png)
Why is "Detour Via" not in all caps? And is it common practice in BC to have figures to the right of a decimal point in smaller type?
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Why is "Detour Via" not in all caps? And is it common practice in BC to have figures to the right of a decimal point in smaller type?
Not sure why "Detour Via" is not in caps, but in regards to smaller numbers right of a decimal point, that's a standard. Here's a distance sign with the same approach:
(http://i.imgur.com/CV911NA.png)
And here's another dotted border sign. This one definitely relates to trucks:
(http://i.imgur.com/fbpL93E.png)
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Not sure why "Detour Via" is not in caps, but in regards to smaller numbers right of a decimal point, that's a standard. Here's a distance sign with the same approach:
(http://i.imgur.com/CV911NA.png)
Damn, I hate that. Just use a fricking fraction and make it look nicer instead of those ugly small numbers after a point.
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Damn, I hate that. Just use a fricking fraction and make it look nicer instead of those ugly small numbers after a point.
I believe the UK is guilty of this practice on signs such as this one:
(http://www.health-safety-signs.uk.com/productimages/629-2A---height-limit.gif)
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Damn, I hate that. Just use a fricking fraction and make it look nicer instead of those ugly small numbers after a point.
I believe the UK is guilty of this practice on signs such as this one
Canada is made up largely of English people. Clearly some things were pulled from the old world. This practice, and then you have BC's roundabout diagrams (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11045.msg282128#msg282128), which are pulled from the UK, and the fingerposts (http://goo.gl/WUxZtk), which are a UK staple.
Also, never bothered to notice this before, but...
(http://i.imgur.com/CV911NA.png)
"5.0"...so 5? Must be a continuity thing.
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Not sure why "Detour Via" is not in caps, but in regards to smaller numbers right of a decimal point, that's a standard. Here's a distance sign with the same approach:
(http://i.imgur.com/CV911NA.png)
Damn, I hate that. Just use a fricking fraction and make it look nicer instead of those ugly small numbers after a point.
Fractions are non-standard with metric units. That's part of the whole point of the system.
If you don't like the decimal points, you'd REALLY hate the signs in Quebec that use the standard French version of the decimal point—a comma, such as 1,5 km (meaning 1500 m). Not all their signs are like that, though—some use a period instead.
Sample from Autoroute 15 southeast of Montreal linked below. I recall the old non-Clearview signs using a larger, more pronounced comma than the one seen here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.350177,-73.519923,3a,75y,21.43h,107.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssjlMFKiLulmXJzpxOqaokg!2e0
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Sample from Autoroute 15 southeast of Montreal linked below. I recall the old non-Clearview signs using a larger, more pronounced comma than the one seen here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.350177,-73.519923,3a,75y,21.43h,107.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssjlMFKiLulmXJzpxOqaokg!2e0
I find it interesting that they kept the FHWA font inside the exit number box and inside the route shield. Reminds me of our standards.
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Fractions are non-standard with metric units. That's part of the whole point of the system.
If you don't like the decimal points, you'd REALLY hate the signs in Quebec that use the standard French version of the decimal point—a comma, such as 1,5 km (meaning 1500 m). Not all their signs are like that, though—some use a period instead.
Sample from Autoroute 15 southeast of Montreal linked below. I recall the old non-Clearview signs using a larger, more pronounced comma than the one seen here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.350177,-73.519923,3a,75y,21.43h,107.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssjlMFKiLulmXJzpxOqaokg!2e0
I'm even less fond of the comma being misused in place of a decimal point. The "point" of SI may be a lack of fractions, but fractions actually, IMHO, make it easier to read as one drives.
1 1/2 is a lot easier to see and read at 70 mph than 1.5 or 1,5.
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1 1/2 is a lot easier to see and read at 70 mph than 1.5 or 1,5.
Plus, it's so easy to miss the decimal at a glance. On a resurfacing project on I-93 between Wilmington (MA) and Methuen (MA) a few years back, the contractor installed a sign reading "Road Work Next 13.8 Miles". Problem was, the sign was so small that the decimal became nearly invisible. A quick look at the panel, and you'd swear the sign read "138 Miles".
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1 1/2 is a lot easier to see and read at 70 mph than 1.5 or 1,5.
Plus, it's so easy to miss the decimal at a glance. On a resurfacing project on I-93 between Wilmington (MA) and Methuen (MA) a few years back, the contractor installed a sign reading "Road Work Next 13.8 Miles". Problem was, the sign was so small that the decimal became nearly invisible. A quick look at the panel, and you'd swear the sign read "138 Miles".
It wouldn't necessarily be wrong, but introducing factors into a base ten system (metric) is extraneous at best. It might be easier to read a fraction from a distance, to an American, but in Canada, fractions aren't really as commonplace. It would confuse more people than it would assist.
Also, notice how in these examples, the decimal is smaller than the whole? That's probably their way of preventing people from thinking it's, for example, 15 vs 1.5 (the latter being correct).
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1 1/2 is a lot easier to see and read at 70 mph than 1.5 or 1,5.
Plus, it's so easy to miss the decimal at a glance. On a resurfacing project on I-93 between Wilmington (MA) and Methuen (MA) a few years back, the contractor installed a sign reading "Road Work Next 13.8 Miles". Problem was, the sign was so small that the decimal became nearly invisible. A quick look at the panel, and you'd swear the sign read "138 Miles".
That would be why the Canadians put the decimal portion in a smaller font that the whole number portion.
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Fractions are non-standard with metric units. That's part of the whole point of the system.
If you don't like the decimal points, you'd REALLY hate the signs in Quebec that use the standard French version of the decimal point—a comma, such as 1,5 km (meaning 1500 m). Not all their signs are like that, though—some use a period instead.
Sample from Autoroute 15 southeast of Montreal linked below. I recall the old non-Clearview signs using a larger, more pronounced comma than the one seen here.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.350177,-73.519923,3a,75y,21.43h,107.99t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssjlMFKiLulmXJzpxOqaokg!2e0
I'm even less fond of the comma being misused in place of a decimal point. The "point" of SI may be a lack of fractions, but fractions actually, IMHO, make it easier to read as one drives.
1 1/2 is a lot easier to see and read at 70 mph than 1.5 or 1,5.
It's not "misuse" of the comma. That's the normal way to write the decimal point in French (and some other languages as well).
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I do not understand why those languages adopted the comma for decimals at all. Commas mean "pause between breaths". Decimal points mean "break in idea". A decimal number is the latter, not the former!
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I do not understand why those languages adopted the comma for decimals at all. Commas mean "pause between breaths". Decimal points mean "break in idea". A decimal number is the latter, not the former!
I don't think of it that way. It's more like: our decimal mark looks like a period, theirs looks like a comma.
The only reason we call them decimal points is because we use the variant that looks like a period.
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I do not understand why those languages adopted the comma for decimals at all. Commas mean "pause between breaths". Decimal points mean "break in idea". A decimal number is the latter, not the former!
Not in other languages.
Я уверен, что русские удивляются, почему мы используем наш алфавит.
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I found this assembly at highway-themed ride at a waterpark near me (photo not by me, can be found here (http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25104&view=next)):
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/hh_7_152.jpg)
It's interesting how they combine US-style signage with some semi-European signage. Furthermore, why are the fonts different on each sign? Why does VA-55 point away from ALT-I-66?
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That's surprisingly a lot better than it could have been.
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Considering this is Virgina, I suppose we should be happy that the Interstate shield is a cutout.
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The "TO OLD ALT" plates look like they could have come off of one of the assemblies with cutouts for Alternate US 58 in the Norton area.
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I found this assembly at highway-themed ride at a waterpark near me (photo not by me, can be found here (http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25104&view=next)):
(http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/hh_7_152.jpg)
It's interesting how they combine US-style signage with some semi-European signage. Furthermore, why are the fonts different on each sign? Why does VA-55 point away from ALT-I-66?
This would be very close to an assembly that could have existed if the US HH shield were a VA 17 and the 713 shield were a 731.
From 1962 to the late 70s, this was the western end of I-66 in the Delaplane area:
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=989&lon=-77.92889564664125&lat=38.89860444226724&year=1965
If you were on VA 55 EB and reached the beginning of the I-66 section, a sign there could have been that 55 east goes left, I-66 east goes straight (rightish), that getting to 17 north is to the left, and faster access to SR 731 south is possible by following 66 because what is now Exit 23 is open. A little stretch but not outrageous...
I am curious about the BGS in the background though...
Mapmikey
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Considering this is Virgina, I suppose we should be happy that the Interstate shield is a cutout.
I don't think that it is the right shape though. It seems to be too pointy at the bottom.
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Considering this is Virgina, I suppose we should be happy that the Interstate shield is a cutout.
We have a lot of cutout Interstate shields in Virginia, especially once you get off the Interstate and look for shields pointing you towards an interchange.
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The "TO OLD ALT" plates look like they could have come off of one of the assemblies with cutouts for Alternate US 58 in the Norton area.
all that's missing is a ZU.
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I am curious about the BGS in the background though...
Mapmikey
The BGS (which I don't have a photo of) is actually pretty good, except that the exit tab is misaligned.
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Is there anything glaringly wrong with this setup? Sort of an APL but a bit different because it indicates both an immediate and upcoming exit.
(http://i.imgur.com/7IkoO4N.png)
Also, don't worry, the colors are the normal yellow and green. Sun slightly distorts the color.
-- This was reposted from "The Worst of Road Signs" --
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Here are a few interesting ones in Huntsville:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2914/14197545289_b1785640f5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nCA8zB)
Highway to hell? (https://flic.kr/p/nCA8zB) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/8861130127_385184d65a.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ev2BgD)
White "Stop Ahead" Sign (https://flic.kr/p/ev2BgD) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7344/9324847886_fc0b89ecf7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hpq)
This Lane Must Turn Right (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hpq) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3708/9322063453_f1c9affe10.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fcL1FX)
This Lane Must Turn Right (https://flic.kr/p/fcL1FX) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
One that you don't see every day:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3829/9324849840_bc228aa886.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hZ7)
Left Lane Must Turn Left (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hZ7) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
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One that you don't see every day:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3829/9324849840_bc228aa886.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hZ7)
Left Lane Must Turn Left (https://flic.kr/p/fd1hZ7) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
I've seen quite a few of those in New Jersey, enough to qualify them as common.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2914/14197545289_b1785640f5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nCA8zB)
Highway to hell? (https://flic.kr/p/nCA8zB) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
That's a variant of a US Highway shield that I've never seen... and there's a lot of variants too, we had a thread on it but I cannot seem to find it at all.
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is there something I'm missing on "LEFT LANE MUST TURN LEFT"? I remember once someone photoshopped one to say "LEFT LANE MUST LEFT RIGHT" and posted it on Failblog or something similar... but this one looks to be standard.
the shield shape on the 72 - I've seen it in Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wisconsin. it appears to have originated in Alabama.
(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/AL/AL19600431i1.jpg)
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is there something I'm missing on "LEFT LANE MUST TURN LEFT"? I remember once someone photoshopped one to say "LEFT LANE MUST LEFT RIGHT" and posted it on Failblog or something similar... but this one looks to be standard.
It's the only one I know of in Huntsville. That's why I included it.
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Maryland also has used a shield shape similar to Alabama's.
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Isn't Left Lane Must Turn Left just the textual equivalent of the "[left arrow] ONLY" signs which are common pretty much everywhere?
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Isn't Left Lane Must Turn Left just the textual equivalent of the "[left arrow] ONLY" signs which are common pretty much everywhere?
I see the signs all the time. However, I usually don't see them with another sign on the other side.
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This is the first Clearview stop sign that I've ever seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/1jYqmZg.png)
It's located in Abbotsford (http://goo.gl/qjVX1r), British Columbia.
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I've seen some in Adrian, MI.
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Isn't Left Lane Must Turn Left just the textual equivalent of the "[left arrow] ONLY" signs which are common pretty much everywhere?
You are correct. However, for many years, the MUTCD strongly frowned upon use of the "[left arrow] ONLY" (R3-5L) signs for ground-mounted installations, even if they were installed in medians and/or combined with other arrows on the sign (current R3-8 series). As such, a very common application at an intersection with overhead signals and dedicated turn lanes would have a "Left Lane Must Turn Left" text sign (R3-7L) ground-mounted in advance of the intersection (usually at or just prior to the point of curvature where the turn lane begins), and a R3-5L text sign mounted on the mast arm or span wire above the turn lane at the intersection.
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This one may be an oldie, but it definitely counts as "unique, odd or interesting."
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1238/614303487_0439572f5a_o.jpg)
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An oddity in the United States: Street signs in French. (Lafayette, LA)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/14237230024_99525cfaa5_o.png)
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This is the first Clearview stop sign that I've ever seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/1jYqmZg.png)
It's located in Abbotsford (http://goo.gl/qjVX1r), British Columbia.
Oh gosh, please don't let that spread to the US.
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I only started paying attention to signs about a year ago, but I too have only seen this sign in Canada. There is a sort of half-symbol-half-text no turn on red sign a number of blocks south at the off-ramp from I-5 North (http://goo.gl/HN1lM3) but this is the only American symbol-only no turn on red that I have ever seen.
The half symbol no turn on red sign is fairly common in Missouri. IIRC there's also one somewhere around Kenosha, WI.
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This is the first Clearview stop sign that I've ever seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/1jYqmZg.png)
It's located in Abbotsford (http://goo.gl/qjVX1r), British Columbia.
Oh gosh, please don't let that spread to the US.
They have, I've seen them.
Now, for the best looking stop signs out there, I prefer Michigan's custom font.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.361655,-83.275274&spn=0.002259,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=42.361655,-83.275274&panoid=5HcemoS5yqYNmaa7eD7r2A&cbp=12,325.34,,2,-0.32
The "S" has the same curvature on both the top and bottom parts, unlike FHWA which is smaller on top.
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I liked Ohio's old-style STOPs....you could see THAT message from quite the distance away!
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/ctsignguy/Main%20Sign%20Collection/ODOTstopyellow_zpsf261a7f8.jpg) (http://s166.photobucket.com/user/ctsignguy/media/Main%20Sign%20Collection/ODOTstopyellow_zpsf261a7f8.jpg.html)
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/ctsignguy/Main%20Sign%20Collection/ODOTstopred-a_zps3c34b496.jpg) (http://s166.photobucket.com/user/ctsignguy/media/Main%20Sign%20Collection/ODOTstopred-a_zps3c34b496.jpg.html)
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One for the "wordy signs" category from downtown Davenport, IA:
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6165/6178087998_da638a1ff6.jpg)
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One for the "wordy signs" category from downtown Davenport, IA:
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6165/6178087998_da638a1ff6.jpg)
At least that's supposed to be read while you are not moving. A sign with this much text that is meant to be read at 30+ miles per hour would not work.
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Block Face -- sounds like an insult of one's appearance. :-D
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(http://i.imgur.com/aBReVIN.png)
I walked past this on a college tour today and it caught my eye. It's interesting for a couple reasons: the compact DE 273 shields, and the twice out-of-date DE 2 shields.
I guess Delaware used to use circular shields for 3-digit routes a while ago, based on photos I've seen. This is the only one still in use that I've come across though.
The DE 2 shields are leftover from when the route used to cut through Newark on Main St. and Delaware Ave. DelDOT (or Newark, whoever's in charge of that) did a really poor job at updating the shields when DE 2 was routed around town and Business 2 was assigned through town, then they did an equally poor job at removing the shields when Business 2 was deleted last summer. There's DE 2 shields all through downtown Newark, so I wouldn't have posted anything about it in this thread had it not been for those old DE 273 shields.
(I wasn't sure where to post this sign, it kinda qualifies for a few different threads)
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Here's a sign.... but where's the signpost?
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14269184017_fd07e75e52.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nJVih6)
48963 (https://flic.kr/p/nJVih6) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
From the "You had one (temporary) job" department:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2925/14040924667_2cb66f4a5d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/noKpJ4)
48843 (https://flic.kr/p/noKpJ4) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
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This is the first Clearview stop sign that I've ever seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/1jYqmZg.png)
It's located in Abbotsford (http://goo.gl/qjVX1r), British Columbia.
Oh gosh, please don't let that spread to the US.
They have, I've seen them.
Now, for the best looking stop signs out there, I prefer Michigan's custom font.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.361655,-83.275274&spn=0.002259,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=42.361655,-83.275274&panoid=5HcemoS5yqYNmaa7eD7r2A&cbp=12,325.34,,2,-0.32
The "S" has the same curvature on both the top and bottom parts, unlike FHWA which is smaller on top.
That font on the stop sign used to be seen often in the New England states many years ago.
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Orange, Mass:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14298409270_bfd25521cd.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93617544@N08/14298409270/)
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Found this new-ish one today at the junction of NT 1 and NT 3. Canada's most northerly exit sign? It's so cute when the kids get together and play Make-Believe Freeway. But it's designed so well!
(http://i.imgur.com/Fai0DhU.jpg)
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Orange, Mass:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14298409270_bfd25521cd.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93617544@N08/14298409270/)
That is the first time I have ever seen a city have TWO separate Main Streets which cross each other!
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Found this new-ish one today at the junction of NT 1 and NT 3. Canada's most northerly exit sign? It's so cute when the kids get together and play Make-Believe Freeway. But it's designed so well!
(http://i.imgur.com/Fai0DhU.jpg)
NWT's route marker is far too small to be legible on a BGS (or, in this case, a LBS)
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But in the Arctic, roads are known by names, not number. Yellowknife is going to be more useful as NWT3 is the Yellowknife Highway.
Note that (paper) mapping agencies put these names fairly prominently on the maps.
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Orange, Mass:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14298409270_bfd25521cd.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93617544@N08/14298409270/)
That is the first time I have ever seen a city have TWO separate Main Streets which cross each other!
This was an added bonus. I first went back for the picture for the traffic-light-mounted street sign, only later discovering it was at the intersection of four Main Streets.
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(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af138/jakez1112/ScreenShot2014-06-25at114901AM_zps99e004f5.png)
This is one of the interesting signs in my city. In a way, the Derby/Waterbury sign makes sense because the road it's on eventually leads to CT 121 which provides connections to both cities via CT 34 and CT 8. I'm surprised the city hasn't replaced it because it's been there for awhile I would assume.
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Found this sign while wondering around on Google Street View:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.053075,-95.453918&spn=0.005383,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=29.053072,-95.45597&panoid=B2sVH9G5VdT1dgWZtqefxw&cbp=12,224.8,,1,1.38
It's a little strange, especially the part that says "This Way" with the dinky arrow off to the side.
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lol. nice find. "this way" should at least be in all caps!
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Orange, Mass:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14298409270_bfd25521cd.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93617544@N08/14298409270/)
That is the first time I have ever seen a city have TWO separate Main Streets which cross each other!
This was an added bonus. I first went back for the picture for the traffic-light-mounted street sign, only later discovering it was at the intersection of four Main Streets.
Four Main Streets, it makes Atlanta's Peachtree system seem sensible in comparison.
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Orange, Mass:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2936/14298409270_bfd25521cd.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93617544@N08/14298409270/)
That is the first time I have ever seen a city have TWO separate Main Streets which cross each other!
This was an added bonus. I first went back for the picture for the traffic-light-mounted street sign, only later discovering it was at the intersection of four Main Streets.
Four Main Streets, it makes Atlanta's Peachtree system seem sensible in comparison.
How old is the image? If you look at Google images, the signs are not there... but, it was last updated in 2009.
ICTRds
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Orange, Mass:
That is the first time I have ever seen a city have TWO separate Main Streets which cross each other!
This was an added bonus. I first went back for the picture for the traffic-light-mounted street sign, only later discovering it was at the intersection of four Main Streets.
Four Main Streets, it makes Atlanta's Peachtree system seem sensible in comparison.
How old is the image? If you look at Google images, the signs are not there... but, it was last updated in 2009.
ICTRds
Google Street view circa 2008 does not show it, however, imagery from 2011 does. It's likely a new addition to the signal.
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(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/BJFRacing01/IMG_2347_zps3ab16bd6.jpg)
The remnant of what US 10 was back in the day. The shield is still there in its glory, of which it was painted on this Milwaukee Road underpass bridge. When the Milwaukee Road was decomissioned in 1980, the bridge was removed along with the trackage, however the supporting structure is still there.
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Extremely obvious and poor sign overlaying:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3926/14516068195_9633bd0687.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/o7JDkR)
49046 (https://flic.kr/p/o7JDkR) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3869/14329472409_8fdf270ebd.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nQfhV8)
49047 (https://flic.kr/p/nQfhV8) by richiekennedy56 (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
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Clearview Signage in Washington State:
Washington State is not part of the list of states that use Clearview. Thus, the following photos do not depict WSDOT-installed signage. What they do depict, however, is big-green-sign signage that, while not DOT-installed, is Port of Seattle-installed. The signs are installed along what is basically a freeway connecting WA-518 to the airport. It's interesting to see the way the Port has signed things. The photos are in order from north, south along the freeway, and then back north again to the northern end where it began (in essence, a big U-turn). I consider the signs unique because Washington does not use Clearview. If you are in Washington, from my knowledge, this is the only place where you can be travelling 60 mph and have Clearview directing you.
If the following gallery is better suited for another thread, let me know. I'm well known for placing things in the wrong area.
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(http://i.imgur.com/47Kpznf.png)
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I prefer that over Frutiger or whatever it is airports tend to use on signs.
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I prefer that over Frutiger or whatever it is airports tend to use on signs.
I think Frutiger looks nice actually for airport signing. At least it's better than Arial/Helvetica.
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Unique to CDOT (Chicago) signage:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4112_zps6497a1d4.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4112_zps6497a1d4.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4157_zps272e8a7a.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4157_zps272e8a7a.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4171_zps8ad0a9e0.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4171_zps8ad0a9e0.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4168_zps33d4da12.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4168_zps33d4da12.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4106_zps928d9ac6.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4106_zps928d9ac6.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4115_zpsb00eef27.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4115_zpsb00eef27.jpg.html)
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I don't think I've ever seen block numbers on signs that aren't street blade signs.
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I don't think I've ever seen block numbers on signs that aren't street blade signs.
Chicago even puts block numbers on freeway exit BGS, don't they?
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Chicago even puts block numbers on freeway exit BGS, don't they?
Yes, it does. On I-290 East:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/28tdxs4.png)
Image from Google Street View
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I don't think I've ever seen block numbers on signs that aren't street blade signs.
Chicago even puts block numbers on freeway exit BGS, don't they?
Yes, within Chicago only. Here's a few examples, various expressways:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2145.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2145.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4139_zps6de53f7a.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4139_zps6de53f7a.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4149_zps3e11b26e.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4149_zps3e11b26e.jpg.html)
The city also posts them on signals.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4167_zps19899d81.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4167_zps19899d81.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4169_zps054575be.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4169_zps054575be.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4170_zps51a2919b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4170_zps51a2919b.jpg.html)
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Yes, within Chicago only. Here's a few examples, various expressways:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2145.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2145.jpg.html)
Slightly off topic, but are there exits 51 A-G somewhere before that exit? :)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4169_zps054575be.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4169_zps054575be.jpg.html)
How NOT to do font-stretching, by Chicago Dept. of Transportation...
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If you are in Washington, from my knowledge, this is the only place where you can be travelling 60 mph and have Clearview directing you.
Double check the sixth image, and you'll see that's not quite true. (And I think the speed limit is 40 for most of the rest of it.) But yeah, this is the only place I can think of in Washington that has Clearview on a freeway, though there are a few towns and counties that use it. Everett is probably the most prominent one.
(This might explain why there's Clearview on Elliot Ave W at the Magnolia Bridge in Seattle. I always assumed it was a city project, but I wonder if those signs were Port-erected, since they partially have to do with the cruise terminal.)
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Yes, within Chicago only. Here's a few examples, various expressways:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2145.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2145.jpg.html)
Slightly off topic, but are there exits 51 A-G somewhere before that exit? :)
Yes. IDOT skips for this signage to get people into the correct lane for the Ike/Congress.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4144_zpsc60c8cae.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4144_zpsc60c8cae.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4145_zps61a0c82e.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4145_zps61a0c82e.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4148_zps78dbcefc.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4148_zps78dbcefc.jpg.html)
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(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4170_zps51a2919b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4170_zps51a2919b.jpg.html)
Getting off topic, but this Chicago intersection allows a left turn on green or green arrow, unlike some other Chicago intersections that allow a left only on a green arrow with a 5-section tower in both cases.
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If you are in Washington, from my knowledge, this is the only place where you can be travelling 60 mph and have Clearview directing you.
Double check the sixth image, and you'll see that's not quite true. (And I think the speed limit is 40 for most of the rest of it.) But yeah, this is the only place I can think of in Washington that has Clearview on a freeway, though there are a few towns and counties that use it. Everett is probably the most prominent one.
(This might explain why there's Clearview on Elliot Ave W at the Magnolia Bridge in Seattle. I always assumed it was a city project, but I wonder if those signs were Port-erected, since they partially have to do with the cruise terminal.)
Does anyone actually go 40? So the Port of Seattle built a road to freeway-standards and then implement a 40 mph speed limit? I could easily fight that in court.
Fife has some pretty widespread Clearview, along with Puyallup and some signs in Tacoma (I can get specific if you're interested).
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I'm not sure where exactly the 40 MPH speed limit starts, it might be 60 closer to 518. I'd guess average speed isn't much above 50, definitely nowhere close to 60. Too many curves (and poor visibility around them) especially post-Light Rail construction. Also, I'm guessing unpredictable congestion might be part of the reason for the low speed limit.
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I'm not sure where exactly the 40 MPH speed limit starts, it might be 60 closer to 518. I'd guess average speed isn't much above 50, definitely nowhere close to 60. Too many curves (and poor visibility around them) especially post-Light Rail construction. Also, I'm guessing unpredictable congestion might be part of the reason for the low speed limit.
My suggestion: Speed limit 60 with a 40 mph advisory. The speed limit is a limit. I certainly don't feel a need to travel over 60.
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Clearview Signage in Washington State:
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I passed under some of these signs this past week. Flew into Seattle to catch a cruise to Alaska.
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On the topic of oddly-fonted signs in Washington, there's this one approaching Tacoma on I-5 SB.
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.24586,-122.33444,3a,15y,234.74h,92.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sR5UZ7si4CZfIBBL16VLtsw!2e0
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On the topic of oddly-fonted signs in Washington, there's this one approaching Tacoma on I-5 SB.
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.24586,-122.33444,3a,15y,234.74h,92.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sR5UZ7si4CZfIBBL16VLtsw!2e0
That looks like Calibri, which is the default font for all newer Microsoft Office applications.
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On the topic of oddly-fonted signs in Washington, there's this one approaching Tacoma on I-5 SB.
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.24586,-122.33444,3a,15y,234.74h,92.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sR5UZ7si4CZfIBBL16VLtsw!2e0
That looks like Calibri, which is the default font for all newer Microsoft Office applications.
Kacie, you have no idea how close we were to posting damn near the same sign.
Also, looks more to me like Myriad Pro Condensed.
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It's definitely not Calibri, but I'm not sure what it is. Could also be Frutiger Light. It's hard to tell from the angle the image is at.
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Not sure I've seen a yield sign with "cross traffic does not stop" before, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a few more of them. Here's one south of the IL 117 interchange with I-74 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=morton,+il&hl=en&ll=40.619727,-89.274763&spn=0.007085,0.016512&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.597077,135.263672&hnear=Morton,+Tazewell+County,+Illinois&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.619929,-89.274768&panoid=nPlKZX6YYaOlySnX2yGEyg&cbp=12,216.49,,0,8.83)
Regarding having block numbers on freeway signs, there are three time this happens on the Missouri side of the St. Louis area:
1) NB I-55 at Broadway (Exit 204) (https://www.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.572319,-90.236592&spn=0.007298,0.016512&sll=40.61993,-89.274763&sspn=0.007118,0.016512&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.57251,-90.236356&panoid=7iyGKWuD6E3zSd-MBd995w&cbp=12,52.72,,0,0.88)
2) NB I-55 at 3200 Broadway (Exit 206B) (https://www.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.590686,-90.213998&spn=0.014659,0.033023&sll=40.61993,-89.274763&sspn=0.007118,0.016512&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.590686,-90.213998&panoid=ZoRsyzcJ0m93D3TEdLxGxQ&cbp=12,4.71,,1,-0.26)
3) WB US 40 for 3000 Market Street (https://www.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.626018,-90.210987&spn=0.003663,0.008256&sll=40.61993,-89.274763&sspn=0.007118,0.016512&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.626018,-90.210987&panoid=zC6zoC7muUCFNbaL5CYGtA&cbp=12,304.08,,0,0)
Or how about an interchange sequence sign with exit numbers? WB US 40 in the Chesterfield area (https://www.google.com/maps?q=st.+louis,+mo&hl=en&ll=38.647227,-90.532708&spn=0.014647,0.033023&sll=40.61993,-89.274763&sspn=0.007118,0.016512&hnear=St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.647094,-90.532022&panoid=sGuR07forqaBtxgJ2qZ_0Q&cbp=12,279.71,,0,-1.99)
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Not sure I've seen a yield sign with "cross traffic does not stop" before, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a few more of them. Here's one south of the IL 117 interchange with I-74 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=morton,+il&hl=en&ll=40.619727,-89.274763&spn=0.007085,0.016512&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=59.597077,135.263672&hnear=Morton,+Tazewell+County,+Illinois&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.619929,-89.274768&panoid=nPlKZX6YYaOlySnX2yGEyg&cbp=12,216.49,,0,8.83)
Nothing like a right-angle yield. And that isn't me being sarcastic...I genuinely like them. Especially in this case, where visibility is wide and clear.
Although, in regards to the "cross traffic does not stop" sign, it seems redundant, considering the "Yield" sign basically waves your priority at an intersection anyways. "Cross traffic does not stop" is basically a lengthy way of saying "yield".
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom. These are inside the service station just before exit 11 in Brooklyn.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Also, are there any Belt Parkway shields elsewhere besides this service station?
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom. These are inside the service station just before exit 11 in Brooklyn.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Also, are there any Belt Parkway shields elsewhere besides this service station?
I've seen this design before, so yes, but I believe only on select intersecting streets.
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom. These are inside the service station just before exit 11 in Brooklyn.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Also, are there any Belt Parkway shields elsewhere besides this service station?
If you can read this, you're driving too slow.
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^^ And the sign for the left arrow should be left of the sign for the through arrow.
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^^ And the sign for the left arrow should be left of the sign for the through arrow.
The perfectionist in me saw that as well. There is another one set up similar to this on the other side of the service station.
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Looks like the "B" and "P" are aligned intentionally. That wouldn't happen (or would be quite ugly) if "Parkway" were spelled out.
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Looks like the "B" and "P" are aligned intentionally. That wouldn't happen (or would be quite ugly) if "Parkway" were spelled out.
I'd honestly rather it be spelled out and misaligned than to have to read "Belt Pickwee" in my head, but that's just me.
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There's definitely enough room for "Parkway" to be spelled out at the bottom.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14609090185_0b23a7bcd9_z.jpg)
Looks like the "B" and "P" are aligned intentionally. That wouldn't happen (or would be quite ugly) if "Parkway" were spelled out.
I'd honestly rather it be spelled out and misaligned than to have to read "Belt Pickwee" in my head, but that's just me.
So these would make you say "Expee"?
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2128.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2128.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2778.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2778.jpg.html)
Or how about "Rit"?
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_2235.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_2235.jpg.html)
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^ In my head, yes, but it looks like there isn't a whole lot of room on those signs to spell out the entire word. In the shields (that's another thing, my photo has actual shields) in my photo, there's more than enough room for it to be spelled out.
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This speed limit sign is in a neighborhood right by Lake Guntersville:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2928/14592154456_53bbfb72f4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oesB8W)
Unique Speed Limit Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oesB8W) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
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So these would make you say "Expee"?
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Heh. When my brother, our cousins, and I were kids, we'd ride with our grandfather from Bay Ridge to Breezy Point each day during the summer and our grandfather got us started reading the road signs on the Belt Parkway exactly as they appeared—hence, "Ocean Pickway," "Coney Is Av," "K-napp St," "Shell Rid," etc. We then started doing that Every. Single. Time we were on the Belt Parkway for the next several years (all of us screaming them out in unison). I'm sure our parents wanted to kill us and our grandfather!
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So these would make you say "Expee"?
for the longest time - before I lived there - I had no idea what a very common SoCal abbreviation meant. I pronounced it the same as "sin".
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
(http://i.imgur.com/zab1Foy.png)
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
(http://i.imgur.com/zab1Foy.png)
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
Actually, that sounds like a place where the flashing red arrow would be appropriate.
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
Actually, that sounds like a place where the flashing red arrow would be appropriate.
Such heresy would never be committed in Washington.
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If you can read "Willard Smith Rd" you are a better person than I.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/IMG_2296_zpsf390c99b.jpg)
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If you can read "Willard Smith Rd" you are a better person than I.
(http://i.imgur.com/2od8e0A.jpg)
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for the longest time - before I lived there - I had no idea what a very common SoCal abbreviation meant. I pronounced it the same as "sin".
That would be Cyn, for Canyon. And it took me about six months to realize it wasn't some geographic term that I had just never heard of before. Thought it was something like a glen, to be honest.
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If you can read "Willard Smith Rd" you are a better person than I.
Especially at 65 mph on Southern Boulevard.
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Somervell County (Texas) Road 2012 has a short stretch going down a slope on a submaturely dissected plateau. I'm a flatlander, but I've been up and down a few hills. This incline isn't very long, but I call it "Oh Shit Hill," which isn't in my everyday vocabulary. I don't know how steep it is, but going down is scary. On the way up, there's a sign, W7-1, showing a truck going down an incline, turned 90 degrees to show the truck climbing an extremely steep hill. I don't have a photo, but I rotated an image I found online.
(http://www.patternsandprinciples.com/otherfiles/rs/w7-1n.jpg)
That sign's about right for the way that hill feels.
Edit: Maybe that's why they numbered it 2012, with the end-of-the world beliefs. The way down feels like driving off the end of the earth, especially around the blind curve.
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One last Seatac Airport sign...warning sign with the lane guides??
(http://i.imgur.com/k0ighyr.jpg)
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If you can read "Willard Smith Rd" you are a better person than I.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/IMG_2296_zpsf390c99b.jpg)
Is that road named after the actor Will Smith? (whose full name is Willard)
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As seen at a 5 point intersection:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2896/14721570855_ba5b58eef9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oqTU8a)
Holmes Avenue (https://flic.kr/p/oqTU8a) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
Here's the same sign from the other side:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.738783,-86.576901&spn=0.000002,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.738783,-86.576901&panoid=RmtRTviuKBc3VyEpW-L6PA&cbp=12,193.48,,2,-18.88
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I found this interesting sign in Spring TX. The signals are all horizontal here (which is itself pretty scary for a Marylander), and then I came across this sign:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/wisvishr0/ScreenShot2014-07-22at112026AM.png)
The standard in Texas is (usually) the same in the rest of the country: warning signs for traffic lights are vertical. It seems that this specific person who put up this sign hasn't been out of the state, and decided to change the standard to how he thought it was supposed to be. Growing up in Texas, you'd think all traffic signals were horizontal. I guess there is no reason for it to be vertical there, but according to the Texas MUTCD, that's the only way.
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It really makes more sense for the sign to match the actual signal.
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At the intersection of Manassas Drive and Euclid Avenue in Manassas Park, the turning lane directions are on a mast arm prior to the actual signals, which are actually on a spanwire (Funny, huh?).
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How common is it for BGSs to display "Either Lane"? Perhaps I've just never noticed it before. It seems to me like a lazy replacement for two arrows.
Valley Mall Blvd @ I-82, Yakima, WA (http://goo.gl/SjT19I)
(http://i.imgur.com/9gijvZN.png)
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I've seen "BOTH LANES" in a lot of places
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"Either Lane" seems a lot more casual than "Both Lanes"
It's like "Oh, you can pick either lane, it doesn't bother me. Go ahead and do what you want."
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Unique....for NY. These signs are on the LaGuardia Service Road by the Grand Central Pkwy. NY's BGSs usually have rounded corners, but these are squared corners with curved borderline. Plus non-reflectivity and buttons.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/14742658034_fe86171e76.jpg)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14741845231_144cd2d25f.jpg)
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(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2933/14772555433_082291fc99_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ovpd4B)
Pay careful attention to the washer at the top of the shield...
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While these BGS' were recently replaced; the previous BGS on the right showed a quasi-CalTrans approach to exit-tab signage (http://goo.gl/maps/L4lsj) for most of its life. The BGS predated PennDOT's conversion to mile-marker based exits.
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Just saw this while I was walking down Connecticut Avenue in Van Ness, Washington DC: it's a private sign. The guy who designed it must have either been colorblind or an optimist.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/31/a6a2e7a9.jpg)
Yes it's green, not red.
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Here's an odd one in southern Morgan County, AL:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3906/14611529269_a23ac0d594.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ogaUAr)
Curve Ahead Sign (https://flic.kr/p/ogaUAr) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people//), on Flickr
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This one was actually a bit creepy. It looks photoshopped but I can assure you it's not. It's actually behind the building where I work. It may have been there a day; it may have been there several months. I may have walked right by it many times. It's on a faded 'No Parking Any Time' sign. Whoever did it definitely took their time.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/54C7C405-4F29-4633-ABD1-2B813CEC3BB4.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/54C7C405-4F29-4633-ABD1-2B813CEC3BB4.jpg.html)
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I've often read some joking about that someday a DOT somewhere is going to use Comic Sans on their signs.
Well here you go, courtesy of NYSDOT Region 5.
(http://upstatenyroads.com/aaroads/comic-sans.jpg)
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I've often read some joking about that someday a DOT somewhere is going to use Comic Sans on their signs.
Well here you go, courtesy of NYSDOT Region 5.
(http://upstatenyroads.com/aaroads/comic-sans.jpg)
Leave it to Region 5 to make a sign that induces vomiting. That might be worse than the relatively new signs on NY 198 and NY 400.
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A rather interesting roundabout diagram from Sidney, BC (photo courtesy of wjis21 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wjis21/6098334138/) of Flickr):
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6210/6098334138_b6f97e134e_z.jpg)
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I've often read some joking about that someday a DOT somewhere is going to use Comic Sans on their signs.
Well here you go, courtesy of NYSDOT Region 5.
(http://upstatenyroads.com/aaroads/comic-sans.jpg)
Is there supposed to be some sort of significance to that? If so, it's lost on me.
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joë' hesta' is the current Great Leader of Nimbya. The sign is alerting motorists to beware of his presence.
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Just beyond VA 28 on US 50, there is a sign that reads "Lane End Merge Right". I can't find pictures of it, but I noticed it today.
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Just beyond VA 28 on US 50, there is a sign that reads "Lane Ends Merge Right". I can't find pictures of it, but I noticed it today.
Like this in WI: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.354048,-89.124371,3a,75y,251.02h,94.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sv7Tbl0Q3lKWn9cZeaDLuxw!2e0
Blurry though and a closer shot blurs out the first 2 lines.
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I've often read some joking about that someday a DOT somewhere is going to use Comic Sans on their signs.
Well here you go, courtesy of NYSDOT Region 5.
(http://upstatenyroads.com/aaroads/comic-sans.jpg)
Is there supposed to be some sort of significance to that? If so, it's lost on me.
On the section of NY 17 that runs through the reservation, Region 5 decided to put location names in the native language in addition to English. There's also a sign calling the Allegheny River "Ohiyo".
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I now present this LGS, courtesy of GSV and Lancaster, NY, located at the exit of a small industrial park. Sign attempts to direct people south on Central Avenue to US 20. Instead, we get a NJDOT-style shield and an arrow pointing to US 20 south.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.913067,-78.670091,3a,75y,293.96h,79.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjXg-ckdz42hRBeDo0CQXjA!2e0
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On the section of NY 17 that runs through the reservation, Region 5 decided to put location names in the native language in addition to English. There's also a sign calling the Allegheny River "Ohiyo".
I remember seeing that sign, as well as others, when I drove that section of I-86 a few years ago, but did not know this was one of those signs, as I don't remember the Seneca language signs being in Comic Sans back then. Guess I'll have to go dig through my pictures for a refresher.
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On the section of NY 17 that runs through the reservation, Region 5 decided to put location names in the native language in addition to English. There's also a sign calling the Allegheny River "Ohiyo".
I remember seeing that sign, as well as others, when I drove that section of I-86 a few years ago, but did not know this was one of those signs, as I don't remember the Seneca language signs being in Comic Sans back then. Guess I'll have to go dig through my pictures for a refresher.
Only the signs installed on the recent contract are in Comic Sans, otherwise they're in Helvetica/Arial. I appreciate the fact that they're doing that on the reservation, but I don't know why they can't use the FHWA lettering or Clearview, albeit with some added accents and such.
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
(http://i.imgur.com/zab1Foy.png)
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
Here's a silly one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.656216,-122.317911,3a,15.2y,166.14h,88.97t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sCGcBqJt9RAAZWmTmrC5bog!2e0
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Region 5 decided to put location names in the native language in addition to English.
I refuse to believe that Comic Sans is anything but a white people affectation.
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
(http://i.imgur.com/zab1Foy.png)
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
why use a FYA at all? why make the driver stop? "you may turn left on solid green ball after yielding to oncoming traffic" is probably even in the Vienna Convention; that's how universal it is.
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Just beyond VA 28 on US 50, there is a sign that reads "Lane Ends Merge Right". I can't find pictures of it, but I noticed it today.
Like this in WI: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.354048,-89.124371,3a,75y,251.02h,94.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sv7Tbl0Q3lKWn9cZeaDLuxw!2e0
Blurry though and a closer shot blurs out the first 2 lines.
I'm confused, does the one you posted have some kind of error? This is a fairly common sign in Massachusetts. Assuming its an old standard.
Here is one that reads "Lane Ends Merge Left"
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.226304,-71.031832,3a,15y,11.37h,85.31t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s4baw3RHpHli99LQC5i9Ykg!2e0?hl=en
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
why use a FYA at all? why make the driver stop? "you may turn left on solid green ball after yielding to oncoming traffic" is probably even in the Vienna Convention; that's how universal it is.
The signal has a protected phase, so I'm not sure how you could work in a solid green ball, other than by using a signal like (this (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.249297,-122.437703,3a,15y,155.81h,106.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1savIZKXt32_odVey1cB1Dag!2e0)).
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Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
why use a FYA at all? why make the driver stop? "you may turn left on solid green ball after yielding to oncoming traffic" is probably even in the Vienna Convention; that's how universal it is.
The signal has a protected phase, so I'm not sure how you could work in a solid green ball, other than by using a signal like (this (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.249297,-122.437703,3a,15y,155.81h,106.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1savIZKXt32_odVey1cB1Dag!2e0)).
Or just use a doghouse signal.
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Here's something that isn't a sign but in fact an interesting intersection: a traffic circle . . . in the Pacific Northwest?
It's in downtown Longview, WA, about 2 hours south of Seattle. It is legally referred to as R A Long Square. The circle hasn't always been painted with "modern" roundabout lines, and the second photo illustrates the former design. Honestly, the only thing they changed was the RIRO exit-only design into a yield-point entry with shark teeth. Not as obvious are new crosswalks that are the "hump" type. This angered cyclists who participate in the annual Tour-de-Cowlitz County (or whatever it's called) who said it made their life difficult or something.
(http://i.imgur.com/GD7CcZt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/cORsHji.png)
Saw this yesterday in Seattle. Must be like an early version of an FYA:
Everything you see has since been replaced by a new set of signs and signals, but the "stop on red" concept still continues. Why not just use an FYA like the rest of the country?
why use a FYA at all? why make the driver stop? "you may turn left on solid green ball after yielding to oncoming traffic" is probably even in the Vienna Convention; that's how universal it is.
The signal has a protected phase, so I'm not sure how you could work in a solid green ball, other than by using a signal like (this (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.249297,-122.437703,3a,15y,155.81h,106.18t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1savIZKXt32_odVey1cB1Dag!2e0)).
Or just use a doghouse signal.
Isn't the use of doghouse signal-heads more or less discouraged nowadays?
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Isn't the use of doghouse signal-heads more or less discouraged nowadays?
I sure hope not, IMO they're the best kind of signal because turning traffic gets the protected phase but never has a red when straight traffic has a green.
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I'm confused, does the one you posted have some kind of error? This is a fairly common sign in Massachusetts. Assuming its an old standard.
"Lane Ends Merge Left (Right)" is an MUTCD standard sign (W9-2). Unless there's a spelling error (can't tell due to Google Street View's capitulation to the tinhat brigade privacy algorithims), I don't see a problem here (if you scroll further, you do see that the right lane drops).
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I'm confused, does the one you posted have some kind of error? This is a fairly common sign in Massachusetts. Assuming its an old standard.
"Lane Ends Merge Left (Right)" is an MUTCD standard sign (W9-2). Unless there's a spelling error (can't tell due to Google Street View's capitulation to the tinhat brigade privacy algorithims), I don't see a problem here (if you scroll further, you do see that the right lane drops).
It's certainly standard, but several states do explicitly prohibit it in their state supplements/MUTCDs, New York being one example. Confused me when I was a young roadgeek and moved from the Albany area to central Ohio. Almost as strange as the non-MUTCD compliant slanted arrows they use to show option lanes.
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Isn't the use of doghouse signal-heads more or less discouraged nowadays?
I sure hope not, IMO they're the best kind of signal because turning traffic gets the protected phase but never has a red when straight traffic has a green.
Nothing in the MUTCD to suggest otherwise. Section 4D-20 provides the standard and, a couple pages earlier, the shared signal face (doghouse) is listed first in the list of signal options for a permissive/protected turn movement. States that don't use the FYA or flashing red extensively continue to install them en masse. Everyone knows what the indications on a doghouse mean and it's not that hard for the average driver to tell the difference between protected and permissive movements.
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Isn't the use of doghouse signal-heads more or less discouraged nowadays?
I sure hope not, IMO they're the best kind of signal because turning traffic gets the protected phase but never has a red when straight traffic has a green.
Nothing in the MUTCD to suggest otherwise. Section 4D-20 provides the standard and, a couple pages earlier, the shared signal face (doghouse) is listed first in the list of signal options for a permissive/protected turn movement. States that don't use the FYA or flashing red extensively continue to install them en masse. Everyone knows what the indications on a doghouse mean and it's not that hard for the average driver to tell the difference between protected and permissive movements.
The difference is the application of whether the doghouse is a shared signal face or an exclusive signal face solely for the left turn lane. Doghouses can still be installed where they control left and through movements (although the circular indications on a doghouse now must always match what is displayed on the adjacent through signals). A doghouse can no longer be used for Dallas Phasing.
Although it may not be explicitly stated as a standard, guidance in 4D-13 p09 states that new or reconstructed signals should not have circular green displays mounted above or in the median where exclusive left turn lanes are provided. Indeed, all the figures under this section support this concept, with permitted phasing (doghouse or standard) signals being shown mounted over the lane lines between left turn and thru lanes.
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Saw THESE on a roadtrip through Southwest Washington the other day. There are quite a few of them.
(http://i.imgur.com/MJ7oNWR.jpg)
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Washington is a big fan of unisigns, and the bottom half of that sign resembles something you'd find elsewhere in the state as a reassurance marker (though the side margins are a bit wide).
But when they use a unisign for an interstate, it usually looks like a mini-BGS (green background, white direction text, and the shield). As far as I know, the blow banner for the unisign is unique to this area, with extra points for the concurrency of course.
(Side note: this is the same region that tends to use "normal" exit tabs, as opposed to the rest of the state.)
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I for one like, WSDOT's attempt at unified signs. They prevent bent direction blades, they are likely easier to install and maintain, and ever since they dropped the SGS (Small Green Sign) format, they actually look correct to what we would be expecting, color wise.
Saw THESE on a roadtrip through Southwest Washington the other day. There are quite a few of them.
(http://i.imgur.com/MJ7oNWR.jpg)
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Virginia uses unisigns in a few places. I much rather have the cutouts
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I for one like, WSDOT's attempt at unified signs. They prevent bent direction blades, they are likely easier to install and maintain, and ever since they dropped the SGS (Small Green Sign) format, they actually look correct to what we would be expecting, color wise.
They dropped the SGS format?? I had associated green with the Interstates and black and white with state/US routes, but I suppose now that I think about it, I may be incorrect and it's an old vs. new thing instead. Please ignore most of my previous post then, I guess. :P
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For the "ugly" category:
(http://i.imgur.com/g9gix78.png)
James River Freeway in Springfield, MO. Who thought up that color scheme for the borders???
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Uh, local contractors?
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That wasn't the contractor. That design smacks of chamber of commerce.
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This is basically all chambers of commerce across the nation, in regards to the MUTCD:
(http://i.imgur.com/rnwF0.gif)
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For the "ugly" category:
(http://i.imgur.com/g9gix78.png)
James River Freeway in Springfield, MO. Who thought up that color scheme for the borders???
Don't really mind it, actually. If it's off some minor road or within a maze of parking lots...although it smacks of bidding for favoritism.
At least it adheres to some sort of design philosophy, unlike Walt Disney World's unreadable purple and red with white Futura.
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Still unsure as to the purpose of these, but WSDOT installed blue "Freeway Entrance" signs along WA-520 between the 405 and the bridge:
(http://i.imgur.com/F2ShxgC.jpg)
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Still unsure as to the purpose of these, but WSDOT installed blue "Freeway Entrance" signs along WA-520 between the 405 and the bridge:
(http://i.imgur.com/F2ShxgC.jpg)
Why are the colors reversed?
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Don't really mind it, actually. If it's off some minor road or within a maze of parking lots...although it smacks of bidding for favoritism.
At least it adheres to some sort of design philosophy, unlike Walt Disney World's unreadable purple and red with white Futura.
It's not, though. It's off a major freeway, and not even a local or county one—at this point, I believe it's US-60/160/MO-13.
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Still unsure as to the purpose of these, but WSDOT installed blue "Freeway Entrance" signs along WA-520 between the 405 and the bridge:
(http://i.imgur.com/F2ShxgC.jpg)
Why are the colors reversed?
Most "entrance"/ramp signs I've seen use that color scheme, especially in Ohio. NY (Region 10) and CA use an entrance banner that corresponds to the type of route being entered. Blue on white isn't particularly readable.
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Most "entrance"/ramp signs I've seen use that color scheme, especially in Ohio. NY (Region 10) and CA use an entrance banner that corresponds to the type of route being entered. Blue on white isn't particularly readable.
California and Nevada use white on green "Freeway Entrance" signs. I've never seen different wording. However, the freeway entrance sign, if used, is always accompanied below by route shields (for Nevada, the only place I know of a freeway not having freeway entrance signs is Summerlin Parkway in Las Vegas--it is not a numbered highway).
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Most "entrance"/ramp signs I've seen use that color scheme, especially in Ohio. NY (Region 10) and CA use an entrance banner that corresponds to the type of route being entered. Blue on white isn't particularly readable.
California and Nevada use white on green "Freeway Entrance" signs. I've never seen different wording. However, the freeway entrance sign, if used, is always accompanied below by route shields (for Nevada, the only place I know of a freeway not having freeway entrance signs is Summerlin Parkway in Las Vegas--it is not a numbered highway).
My apologies. Could have sworn that I saw a pic showing I-5 with a white on blue. Everything about that state confuses me.
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Still unsure as to the purpose of these, but WSDOT installed blue "Freeway Entrance" signs along WA-520 between the 405 and the bridge:
(http://i.imgur.com/F2ShxgC.jpg)
Why are the colors reversed?
Most "entrance"/ramp signs I've seen use that color scheme, especially in Ohio. NY (Region 10) and CA use an entrance banner that corresponds to the type of route being entered. Blue on white isn't particularly readable.
You're missing it. The trees are purple. The traffic cone is blue. The image has the reversed colors, not the signs.
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Still unsure as to the purpose of these, but WSDOT installed blue "Freeway Entrance" signs along WA-520 between the 405 and the bridge:
Why are the colors reversed?
Most "entrance"/ramp signs I've seen use that color scheme, especially in Ohio. NY (Region 10) and CA use an entrance banner that corresponds to the type of route being entered. Blue on white isn't particularly readable.
You're missing it. The trees are purple. The traffic cone is blue. The image has the reversed colors, not the signs.
Here, I'll zoom in on the problem:
(http://i.imgur.com/SlpBBhv.jpg)
After inspecting the WSDOT Sign Fabrication Manual (available here (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/publications/manuals/fulltext/M55-05/Signfab.pdf)), the "Freeway Entrance" sign (E12-201) has the colors listed as "legend - white (refl)" and "background - green (refl)". I assume these signs will be tossed on final inspection, if there is even a thing.
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Even though this is perceived to be a pile of fail because of the color, I'd actually like that better than green because it closely identifies with the interstate than green does. That's just me thinking outside of the MUTCD's tightening box.
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Even though this is perceived to be a pile of fail because of the color, I'd actually like that better than green because it closely identifies with the interstate than green does. That's just me thinking outside of the MUTCD's tightening box.
I like your thinking, but this sign is used for a state route, not an interstate (not that you were directly implying that it was).
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Even though this is perceived to be a pile of fail because of the color, I'd actually like that better than green because it closely identifies with the interstate than green does. That's just me thinking outside of the MUTCD's tightening box.
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The sign is not meant to align to a specific route type, but is more for guidance of the motorist--hence the green color. "Freeway entrance" is not a motorist service (like food or gas), nor a driver information sign (like highway radio or travel times) that would normally be on blue.
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Plainfield, IL. Eastbound on IL-126.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4282_zpsfbd0b843.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4282_zpsfbd0b843.jpg.html)
Make of it what you will.
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Pardon the grainy GSV, but I saw this unique sign (http://goo.gl/maps/pbG1K) at the intersection of Podunk & Shore Roads in East Brookfield, MA.
Interesting style house number/address shield (http://goo.gl/maps/kjjlh) along Franklin St. (MA 181) in Bondsville, MA.
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The sign is backlit when active
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/18/1d8279a83cb8673624ca36445b11b9c6.jpg)
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Different, Manteno, Illinois:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4547_zps7acf1a56.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4547_zps7acf1a56.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4550_zpsa9fe8f72.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4550_zpsa9fe8f72.jpg.html)
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Different, Manteno, Illinois:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg.html)
Is "C.H. 9" supposed to be County Highway 9, or...?
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Different, Manteno, Illinois:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4546_zps2a7069cc.jpg.html)
Is "C.H. 9" supposed to be County Highway 9, or...?
Probably, but I don't see why they don't just put a county highway shield on the sign :confused:
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"Hey Johnny...we need a Route 611 South sign made up."
"Whatever you say boss!"
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/91A4EF60-CDEB-4077-814E-8A7ABF87B6E5.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/91A4EF60-CDEB-4077-814E-8A7ABF87B6E5.jpg.html)
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Here's one in Huntsville:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14937511277_d5bd0b678b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oKYDFT)
Custom One Way Sign? (https://flic.kr/p/oKYDFT) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
I bet a lot of y'all don't see this on a regular basis:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3838/14937518228_ab6da19ca9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oKYFKJ)
Welcome To Alabama (https://flic.kr/p/oKYFKJ) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
The size of the numbers on this speed limit sign seems a bit small:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3870/15124089945_3cbfd81c16.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p3sV2t)
Weird Speed Limit 35 Sign (https://flic.kr/p/p3sV2t) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Similar to the last sign, there's a speed limit sign on eastbound Highway 7 (York RR 7, Old ON 7) at Helen St in Vaughan that's too big but with the right sized numbers, resulting in a similar amount of space around the '60'. If Street View had an updated image, I'd post it here.
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Continuing the bad speed limit signs, this was (unfortunately) the standard (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.330315,-73.699388,3a,52.9y,149.08h,77.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1snSaG4tnHCzO1t9B8A_vzog!2e0) on town-maintained roads in Queensbury, NY until 10-15 years ago. Until around then, the town also used tiny, nonreflective street name blades (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.358671,-73.657741,3a,87.9y,250.76h,87.38t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sp2jqwhgkxnt7MtCXssB7CA!2e0) that carried over to county roads. Those became larger and more legible when they went retroreflective. Somewhat related, all signs in the second link except for the name blades are county installs showing how Warren County likes using Z-bars.
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Accidentally posted this in Best Of.. has anybody ever seen another of these signs?! Almost every draw bridge I've seen has a normal traffic light with a typical yellow warning sign saying 'DRAW BRIDGE AHEAD' in the vicinity.
(http://bh.polpo.org/drawbridgesign.png)
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Accidentally posted this in Best Of.. has anybody ever seen another of these signs?! Almost every draw bridge I've seen has a normal traffic light with a typical yellow warning sign saying 'DRAW BRIDGE AHEAD' in the vicinity.
(http://bh.polpo.org/drawbridgesign.png)
In the background, there appears to be a red/white gate arm. To me, that legitimizes the use of these rail signals (and really, the traffic concept is a similar application here). MUTCD allows traffic signals and/or gates/flashers.
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I bet a lot of y'all don't see this on a regular basis:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3838/14937518228_ab6da19ca9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oKYFKJ)
Welcome To Alabama (https://flic.kr/p/oKYFKJ) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
I've seen a few of these around Huntsville (and obviously, a few other places around the country):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33955477898_0e6f4fa1d7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TJwGA7)
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I've seen a different design (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.120654,-77.590822,3a,75y,196.57h,66.32t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svn6v3bHAEsRhoGziZ61eLQ!2e0) near where I grew up.
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"Caution - Limited Sight" in Santa Cruz, CA (hat tip to Richard Masoner - )
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Buyp41ICcAA1kkR.jpg)
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"Caution - Limited Sight" in Santa Cruz, CA (hat tip to Richard Masoner - )
Great sign. Halfway to fully symbolic, which is my own personal goal for warning signs.
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You can find signs like this on the Dulles Greenway in Virginia. A local woman spent $3,000 to have four of them manufactured and posted along the highway after she was unable to rescue a turtle crossing the road from being squashed.
(http://www.loudounwildlife.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/larue-2.jpg)
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Accidentally posted this in Best Of.. has anybody ever seen another of these signs?! Almost every draw bridge I've seen has a normal traffic light with a typical yellow warning sign saying 'DRAW BRIDGE AHEAD' in the vicinity.
I like this. I agree that since railroads and drawbridges have the same effect on traffic, they should have similar traffic control.
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Accidentally posted this in Best Of.. has anybody ever seen another of these signs?! Almost every draw bridge I've seen has a normal traffic light with a typical yellow warning sign saying 'DRAW BRIDGE AHEAD' in the vicinity.
I like this. I agree that since railroads and drawbridges have the same effect on traffic, they should have similar traffic control.
How about jets? :bigass:
(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6223/6330490782_00a62e0e88_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/six-a/6330490782/)
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Accidentally posted this in Best Of.. has anybody ever seen another of these signs?! Almost every draw bridge I've seen has a normal traffic light with a typical yellow warning sign saying 'DRAW BRIDGE AHEAD' in the vicinity.
I like this. I agree that since railroads and drawbridges have the same effect on traffic, they should have similar traffic control.
How about jets? :bigass:
https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6223/6330490782_00a62e0e88_z.jpg
That reminds me of something out of Russia.
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(https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6223/6330490782_00a62e0e88_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/six-a/6330490782/)
That's way too verbose. STOP WHEN FLASHING should be the most conspicuous thing, possibly in red & white, then JET BLAST AREA in black on yellow to explain why.
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I've seen a few of these around Huntsville (and obviously, a few other places around the country):
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/DuckCrossing.jpg)
I've seen plenty with just a single duck, but never with ducklings. It's very cute!
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In the same vein: this sign in Rayne, LA.
(http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/7f2ba660-1401-49f4-8ecd-12c380432bc8.jpg)
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I'm getting tired of all these variations...how about a standard sign?
(http://i.imgur.com/II323kf.png)
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(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/3470a030-e869-46e3-a1db-43b98659bf3f.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/3470a030-e869-46e3-a1db-43b98659bf3f.jpg.html)
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I'm getting tired of all these variations...how about a standard sign?
(http://i.imgur.com/II323kf.png)
And thus, the heretic has spoken. :nod:
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Spotted this recently on US-50 east of Aldie, Virginia, near the truck scales. Sign makes eminent sense, but I've never seen one like this before. I found myself wondering whether, if you had to change direction to reach the hospital, it might make sense to put the "H" to the appropriate side of the sign to underscore where the arrowhead is, given that it's rather smaller than most arrows.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Hospitalroundabout_zpsbecf853e.png)
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I think that needs to be just a simple through-roundabout arrow, not a full roundabout diagram with an arrowhead on one exit.
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I don't mind the initial sign, but it seems awfully small...here's my alternative:
(http://i.imgur.com/k9dhVYM.png)
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I don't mind the initial sign, but it seems awfully small...here's my alternative:
Very pretty! I love it!
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Not sure this variant on the "freeway entrance" sign has been posted before:
WI 74 at WI 190 (https://www.google.com/maps?q=brookfield,+wi&hl=en&ll=43.082806,-88.204679&spn=0.008275,0.013797&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.726391,56.513672&hnear=Brookfield,+Waukesha+County,+Wisconsin&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.084546,-88.20545&panoid=N2rmLIvZhl3eOHa1qb7fCA&cbp=12,99.03,,2,2.34)
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I don't mind the initial sign, but it seems awfully small...here's my alternative:
(http://i.imgur.com/k9dhVYM.png)
It still doesn't make it clear which way the hospital is...especially for those that are already concerned about a love one and trying to get to the hospital, and may easily be confused. Just use a design with a 'thru' arrow.
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I don't mind the initial sign, but it seems awfully small...here's my alternative:
(http://i.imgur.com/k9dhVYM.png)
It still doesn't make it clear which way the hospital is...especially for those that are already concerned about a love one and trying to get to the hospital, and may easily be confused. Just use a design with a 'thru' arrow.
I believe it's a UK thing to put destinations on roundabouts like that, whereas here in the US, we're used to the signmakers making it totally unambiguous. Yeah, I wouldn't post that sign here, but it's nonetheless pretty. It would be clear in the UK.
I'm sorry but I'm in love with UK road signs in general. They're simple and consistent, two of my favorite things.
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I don't mind the initial sign, but it seems awfully small...here's my alternative:
(http://i.imgur.com/k9dhVYM.png)
I like it (but then, I like British signs), but I think the diagram ought to be bigger because the text kind of swamps it to the point where some people would focus more on the words than on their position relative to the roundabout.
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It still doesn't make it clear which way the hospital is...especially for those that are already concerned about a love one and trying to get to the hospital, and may easily be confused. Just use a design with a 'thru' arrow.
I think how New Jersey signs it close to major hospitals is how I would go with it here:
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/StoneSpring-EmergencyCtr-Assembly-f_zps9f6eba1b.png)
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I believe it's a UK thing to put destinations on roundabouts like that, whereas here in the US, we're used to the signmakers making it totally unambiguous.
We in the UK would view that as totally unambiguous...
Though we'd also go an extra step and not have arrows on arms without destinations listed - eg here (https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.509958,0.070961&spn=0.0123,0.033023&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.509749,0.070958&panoid=ft6Ylbw3M0vCbKSj6E0cHw&cbp=12,167.6,,1,-1.32) where the first sign with the major destinations has two stubs, but the second sign with the local destinations has one, and an extra arrow, as that local road has a local destination.
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It still doesn't make it clear which way the hospital is...especially for those that are already concerned about a love one and trying to get to the hospital, and may easily be confused. Just use a design with a 'thru' arrow.
I think how New Jersey signs it close to major hospitals is how I would go with it here:
[image omitted]
I think the thought process is some people might not understand a straight-ahead arrow in the context of a roundabout, although the particular roundabout referred to by the sign I posted does have the second exit essentially straight across on the far side. Funny thing is, though, the initial guide sign for the roundabout doesn't list destinations, just route numbers (Street View here: http://goo.gl/maps/fJ9DM ) and the second sign closer to the roundabout that does give destinations just uses traditional arrows instead of the roundabout diagram (Street View here: http://goo.gl/maps/W3iSU ). The second sign could have the blue hospital "H" on the same line as "Washington." I'd have to dig through my deleted videos to verify if this is still the case, but as of the time the Street View car went through there was no "H" sign anywhere at or on the roundabout (nor at either of the other two roundabouts you encounter within the next mile or two after exiting the first one).
Edited to add: I restored the deleted videos. There are still no "H" signs at or on any of the three roundabouts on US-50; we didn't go through the one further south on US-15 on this trip, but I assume it's the same. (Having an "H" sign at the correct exit with a conventional diagonal arrow seems like it'd make sense.) There are two more of the sorts of signs I posted above in advance of the second and third roundabouts, though. I'd love to see how they configured the sign on northbound US-15 approaching the fourth roundabout, but I won't be using that road anytime soon to go check.
Incidentally, the following sign appears just before the third roundabout ("third" as you head east on US-50). It kind of amuses me because the guide sign approaching that roundabout only shows two exits, one to continue on Route 50 and the other to make a left turn onto Watson Road. The exit shown on this sign doesn't appear at all on the advance guide sign. It all kind of makes me think VDOT is still figuring out roundabout signage. They'd do better just to send someone to the UK for a while, though of course some adaptations would be needed to conform to US requirements.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Churchroundabout_zps407ef0bf.png)
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Roundabouts have their own arrow designs here:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny40/100_9954-s.JPG)
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Never seen that before. Neat idea. Seems plenty clear to me. What do they do for the "straight-thru" movement?
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It varies by location (I get the feeling that NYSDOT roundabout standards are recent). I'm afraid I don't have any pictures, and the one I know has one has outdated street view, so here's the symbol on the pavement.
Right is just a normal right arrow (mostly... see below) everywhere.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6486923,-73.8482775,3a,75y,11.64h,72.87t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sL9ozJlgIwaO-1Ljye07hZA!2e0
Also note the erroneously orange sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3091743,-73.6436849,3a,75y,327.57h,62.3t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1som98W52_W6pdm7KqVwbZ3g!2e0
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I would just get rid of the roundabout. Multiple problems solved! :-D
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It's NYSDOT. Always a fish-hook (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7679323,-78.6293521,3a,75y,200.47h,78.46t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stnOSv3KkfR1FNdIlx4aveg!2e0).
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I would just get rid of the roundabout. Multiple problems solved! :-D
The ones in my photos have made travel through that area (Gilbert's Corner, Virginia) substantially faster than it used to be when there was just a crossroads with a traffic light. There was the usual bleating and squawking from local residents when VDOT announced the plan to replace the light with a system of four roundabouts (two of those connect to a road providing a bypass around the roundabout located where the light used to be), but also as usual, everyone found it's much more efficient than the stupid light ever was.
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It's NYSDOT. Always a fish-hook (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7679323,-78.6293521,3a,75y,200.47h,78.46t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1stnOSv3KkfR1FNdIlx4aveg!2e0).
I really like the fish-hook arrows in place of the traditional left/through/right arrows. I believe the MUTCD allows both for directional signage in advance of a roundabout. Using those same arrows on an arrow plaque like in the hospital signage shown above seems natural.
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Has anyone ever posted pictures of signs on the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut here?
(http://i.imgur.com/mXBpxyO.png)
Interesting how they designed the borders, but that font is pretty barf.
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Has anyone ever posted pictures of signs on the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut here?
(http://i.imgur.com/mXBpxyO.png)
Interesting how they designed the borders, but that font is pretty barf.
The font looks like Walmart's old 2000s font, eh? Oh, and I also noticed a little cut in the bottom left corner. Wow, was this put in by a contractor that makes weird variations on signs, or is it by a major commercial who is still attempting to give a damn about MUTCD standards? :P (Remember that post from a bit ago...)
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Increasingly British-Canadian, this version...
(http://i.imgur.com/EyY4f6O.png)
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Has anyone ever posted pictures of signs on the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut here?
(http://i.imgur.com/mXBpxyO.png)
Interesting how they designed the borders, but that font is pretty barf.
The font looks like Walmart's old 2000s font, eh? Oh, and I also noticed a little cut in the bottom left corner. Wow, was this put in by a contractor that makes weird variations on signs, or is it by a major commercial who is still attempting to give a damn about MUTCD standards? :P (Remember that post from a bit ago...)
It's specifically designed to emulate the original wooden signs as much as possible while still paying lip service to the MUTCD.
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Increasingly British-Canadian, this version...
(http://i.imgur.com/EyY4f6O.png)
That's awesome.
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Has anyone ever posted pictures of signs on the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut here?
(http://i.imgur.com/mXBpxyO.png)
Interesting how they designed the borders, but that font is pretty barf.
The font looks like Walmart's old 2000s font, eh? Oh, and I also noticed a little cut in the bottom left corner. Wow, was this put in by a contractor that makes weird variations on signs, or is it by a major commercial who is still attempting to give a damn about MUTCD standards? :P (Remember that post from a bit ago...)
It's specifically designed to emulate the original wooden signs as much as possible while still paying lip service to the MUTCD.
I always liked them. The Merritt is an inherently unreasonable road on so many levels (this is not a complaint) that this scheme just follows the pattern.
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World's largest BGS for one lane?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3850/15043009557_e359b1bca0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK)Huge Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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World's largest BGS for one lane?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3850/15043009557_e359b1bca0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK)Huge Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
I'd shutter to think what would happen if that big sign got blown off and crushed an oncoming car.
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Why couldn't the "TO EAST" be to the left of the US 72 marker, instead of on top? Would have saved money on the sign panel.
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Found this today in a Home Depot parking lot:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5579/15096070330_c2d4966318.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oZZiLE)
Small Stop Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oZZiLE) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3857/15282377882_05c2d2cac8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/phsbvQ)
Small Stop Sign (https://flic.kr/p/phsbvQ) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Looks like a painted-over or vinyl-covered license plate.
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Chicago.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4596_zpsd2644056.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4596_zpsd2644056.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4571_zpsd2c3a56b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4571_zpsd2c3a56b.jpg.html)
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I went back to a sign(s) that I posted on this thread a while back...blue "freeway entrance" signs. As it turns out, all of the signs were inspected and approved. I still don't understand wtf is going on.
(http://i.imgur.com/2pKuWkG.png)
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I don't understand why there's all this extra space on this sign:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.719183,-86.627766&spn=0.000002,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.719183,-86.627766&panoid=EiEbQ8bR9ou3HR701HumUA&cbp=12,185.21,,2,-13.14
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I don't understand why there's all this extra space on this sign:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.719183,-86.627766&spn=0.000002,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.719183,-86.627766&panoid=EiEbQ8bR9ou3HR701HumUA&cbp=12,185.21,,2,-13.14
And on the sign to the left, the cardinal direction / shields don't align.
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World's largest BGS for one lane?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3850/15043009557_e359b1bca0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK)Huge Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oVimDK) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
I CalTrans'ed it for you:
(http://i.imgur.com/oIXduQn.png)
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Chicago.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4596_zpsd2644056.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4596_zpsd2644056.jpg.html)
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4573_zps086bf4c1.jpg.html)
Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with the signage?
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probably posted already but I don't give a fuck
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2688/4090793555_667282ed59_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/planesandbirds/4090793555/)
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Chicago.
Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with the signage?
Nothing. This is the unique, odd, or interesting thread.
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I don't understand why there's all this extra space on this sign:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.719183,-86.627766&spn=0.000002,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.719183,-86.627766&panoid=EiEbQ8bR9ou3HR701HumUA&cbp=12,185.21,,2,-13.14
And on the sign to the left, the cardinal direction / shields don't align.
Apparently, when the signs were put up, they accidentally put an AL 53 shield on the Jordan Lane sign (because the sign shop didn't know where AL 53 went) and mis-signed I-565 as North/South. They later fixed the signage an removed all instances of AL 20 when it was truncated to just past I-65. They moved the AL 53 shield over to where the AL 20 shield was.
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Chicago.
Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with the signage?
Nothing. This is the unique, odd, or interesting thread.
They look perfectly normal to me.
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Chicago.
Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with the signage?
Nothing. This is the unique, odd, or interesting thread.
They look perfectly normal to me.
Agreed.
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Chicago.
Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with the signage?
Nothing. This is the unique, odd, or interesting thread.
They look perfectly normal to me.
Agreed.
Yea I don't get it, please explain.
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It's too blurry on GSV (October 2008, I guess), and I can't snap a picture of this, but at the intersection of Dumfries Road (VA 234) and Independent Hill Drive, there is a contradictory "Way" hidden behind a cover-thing (I don't know what it is). Anyone have any info on this, or am I wrong?
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Vine Street Expressway (before turning onto 6th Street) in Philadelphia:
(http://i.imgur.com/N8Ejvnz.png)
From GMSV
Don't see many 2di shields with a 3di number in it anymore.
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Don't see many 2di shields with a 3di number in it anymore.
Here's a nicer example (https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Camden,+NJ&aq=0&oq=camde&sll=39.9425,-75.115366&sspn=0.005914,0.009409&vpsrc=6&t=h&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Camden,+Camden+County,+New+Jersey&ll=39.94409,-75.119566&spn=0.000012,0.004705&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.944093,-75.119731&panoid=a3g-4gTeMJpbc2IWBMmekA&cbp=12,117.74,,0,7.08) in Camden, NJ at the intersection of Federal St. & Broadway (CR 537 & 551 respectively).
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This may not look unique or interesting to most of you, but since I live in Canada, seeing a standard (not metric, there are some of those on the Sault Ste Marie International bridge) modern US speed limit sign is quite unique. They even added a km/h sign under it (which is not common place here). I'm guessing when people see the sign, they think mph right away.
Google Streetview shot in Selkirk Manitoba.
(http://i.imgur.com/mvaJJF6.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/DGox8
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Vine Street Expressway (before turning onto 6th Street) in Philadelphia:
(http://i.imgur.com/N8Ejvnz.png)
From GMSV
Don't see many 2di shields with a 3di number in it anymore.
The 2di shield for a 3di number isn't that unusual to me; I see ones for 405 out here fairly often. The green unisign with white outline banner and arrow "plates" however, now that's unusual.
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It's too blurry on GSV (October 2008, I guess), and I can't snap a picture of this, but at the intersection of Dumfries Road (VA 234) and Independent Hill Drive, there is a contradictory "Way" hidden behind a cover-thing (I don't know what it is). Anyone have any info on this, or am I wrong?
Probably a body-bagged construction sign. Get in the TARDIS if you want to check it out.
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This may not look unique or interesting to most of you, but since I live in Canada, seeing a standard (not metric, there are some of those on the Sault Ste Marie International bridge) modern US speed limit sign is quite unique. They even added a km/h sign under it (which is not common place here). I'm guessing when people see the sign, they think mph right away.
Google Streetview shot in Selkirk Manitoba.
(http://i.imgur.com/mvaJJF6.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/DGox8
I'm more amused with the "no golfing" sign right behind it. It seems like a strange problem to cause a regulatory sign to be erected.
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No idea where to put this, but this is pretty ugly looking...
(http://i.imgur.com/2hb2xtH.png)
I wonder what size the '40' is. This shields look to be 48" tall, so I'm guessing that it's around 24", which looks ugly as hell. The numbers are practically bleeding into the border.
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A bit of Aussie influence in Honolulu:
[Street View] (http://goo.gl/XuAmTT)
(http://i.imgur.com/55ZylFl.png)
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No idea where to put this, but this is pretty ugly looking...
(http://i.imgur.com/2hb2xtH.png)
I wonder what size the '40' is. This shields look to be 48" tall, so I'm guessing that it's around 24", which looks ugly as hell. The numbers are practically bleeding into the border.
Also note the lack of a margin between the legend and the border. Also, it's always weird to see "Oklahoma City" spelled out on a sign, since most of the time it's only used as a control city inside of Oklahoma, which consistently abbreviates it as "Okla. City".
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No idea where to put this, but this is pretty ugly looking...
(http://i.imgur.com/2hb2xtH.png)
I wonder what size the '40' is. This shields look to be 48" tall, so I'm guessing that it's around 24", which looks ugly as hell. The numbers are practically bleeding into the border.
Also note the lack of a margin between the legend and the border. Also, it's always weird to see "Oklahoma City" spelled out on a sign, since most of the time it's only used as a control city inside of Oklahoma, which consistently abbreviates it as "Okla. City".
It's also used and spelled out in each of the surrounding states, right? I know I remember seeing Oklahoma City at the convergence of 35W and 35E when I lived in north Texas. Amarillo and Wichita probably have it too.
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Found this on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Only place I've ever seen one of them.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg.html)
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It's a shame the symbols are so small they're unreadable. One would have to know what the symbol looks like at high speed to understand it.
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It's a shame the symbols are so small they're unreadable. One would have to know what the symbol looks like at high speed to understand it.
Most HazMat certified people do. I could read them, but I've been trained in it. However, the photo came out a bit blurrier than I wanted.
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Crossposted from the Georgia forum (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.325):
Erected last week, just beyond this fine APL sign...
(http://i.imgur.com/Cv2ZcNm.jpg)
...is this. It's located right where the optional lane actually splits, i.e. is 24+ feet wide. So, instead one one big splitting arrow as on the previous sign, there are two big non-splitting ones. It extends the logic of using two black-on-yellow arrows to indicate one compulsory and one optional exit lanes, which I already freakin' hate. And I hate this, too, though I'd be OK with it if the optional lane arrow didn't have an exit only legend:
(http://i.imgur.com/PoT137I.jpg)
Here's the previous scheme (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7983259,-84.3960336,3a,37.5y,141.37h,90.85t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sXSgF2Y1LRLqjFRmpx8obWA!2e0), which had issues of its own. In particular, there's the two arrows on the pullthrough when there are actually three lanes for I-75 there. It may be that the third lane wasn't indicated because it ends a half mile or so downstream.
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This traffic light on US 9 in Hudson, NY. Unfortunately my photo is blurry due to the rain, but the sign says "left only on green ball".
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/us9/101_0018-s.JPG)
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Uh, oh! Big problem. If that is supposed to be an RYG-arrow phase, then why is the first one pointing up and the other pointing to the right? Very Alanland-ish and this very much pays homage to the once-mighty Alanland.
All Alanland aside, the bonehead who put this up is gonna get an earful from someone because this kind of setup is asking for an accident waiting to happen at any second. You could have been one of the unfortunate people having your car wiped out in the very lane that is SUPPOSED TO BE left-on-green-arrow, not STRAIGHT THRU OR RIGHT TURN on LEFT GREEN ARROW.
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Uh, oh! Big problem. If that is supposed to be an RYG-arrow phase, then why is the first one pointing up and the other pointing to the right? Very Alanland-ish and this very much pays homage to the once-mighty Alanland.
All Alanland aside, the bonehead who put this up is gonna get an earful from someone because this kind of setup is asking for an accident waiting to happen at any second. You could have been one of the unfortunate people having your car wiped out in the very lane that is SUPPOSED TO BE left-on-green-arrow, not STRAIGHT THRU OR RIGHT TURN on LEFT GREEN ARROW.
The 4-section with straight and right arrows is quite common when a left turn is prohibited at an intersection and a protected right is provided with the through movement. New York has a lot of them and I've seen them elsewhere. The problem is that this is a 5 section signal with a red and straight green lit concurrently.
If this is the signal I think it is (east end of US 9/NY 23B concurrency), there is a dedicated left turn lane, so they could just install a dedicated face for the turn movement. Issue is that this section is locally-maintained.
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This traffic light on US 9 in Hudson, NY. Unfortunately my photo is blurry due to the rain, but the sign says "left only on green ball".
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/us9/101_0018-s.JPG)
I see that the traffic light has been moved. The telephone pole on the immediate left is where that traffic light was affixed for decades, and often a little cockeyed to the right. Many, many years ago it used to be a 6-signal light with a very old white letter pedestrian signal between the green ball and the two arrows.
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That is indeed the end of the US 9/NY 23B concurrency. This would be one place where a FYA would be useful.
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I'm a little confused here...
(On KY 34 in Mitchellsburg (Boyle County))
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y348/hbelkins/IMG_9722_zps642c0070.jpg) (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/hbelkins/media/IMG_9722_zps642c0070.jpg.html)
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Uh, oh! Big problem. If that is supposed to be an RYG-arrow phase, then why is the first one pointing up and the other pointing to the right? Very Alanland-ish and this very much pays homage to the once-mighty Alanland.
All Alanland aside, the bonehead who put this up is gonna get an earful from someone because this kind of setup is asking for an accident waiting to happen at any second. You could have been one of the unfortunate people having your car wiped out in the very lane that is SUPPOSED TO BE left-on-green-arrow, not STRAIGHT THRU OR RIGHT TURN on LEFT GREEN ARROW.
The 4-section with straight and right arrows is quite common when a left turn is prohibited at an intersection and a protected right is provided with the through movement. New York has a lot of them and I've seen them elsewhere. The problem is that this is a 5 section signal with a red and straight green lit concurrently.
Many years ago there were 4-section signal heads RY^> along MA 1A/The Lynnway in Lynn, MA that would have one phase where all but the Y would be lit concurrently. The red was lit because there was another 4-signal head (RY^<) facing ths same direction but located at the left-turn lane that would only have the R & ^ concurrently lit. The concurrent red lit with the green ^ & > arrows meant that left turn movements from MA 1A North were stopped. The signal in question was replaced with a more simplified arrangement in 1988-1989 when the Lynnway was overhauled.
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Passed this very ugly "Keep Right" sign on Friday morning (as the time stamp indicates) on Fair Lakes Parkway at its interchange with the Fairfax County Parkway (VA-286).
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Uglykeeprightsign_zps4d801dbc.png)
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No idea where to put this... so...
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/STATELAW_YieldMissing_zps8bd12914.jpg)'
I'm guessing at one point the word YIELD was visible before the 'TO'.
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No idea where to put this... so...
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/STATELAW_YieldMissing_zps8bd12914.jpg)'
I'm guessing at one point the world YIELD was visible before the 'TO'.
Could be "GIVE FINGER" :-D
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Saw this today on East Lake Sammamish Parkway, about thirty miles east of Seattle...does this sign use the British Transport typeface?
According to Street View (http://goo.gl/3YghOx), the sign has been installed for over six years now.
(http://i.imgur.com/qSIqQHJ.jpg)
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Check this out -- recently went up here (Petaluma, CA) after a terrible accident at this intersection. First I've seen..
(http://bh.polpo.org/yellow_sign.jpg)
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Found this on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Only place I've ever seen one of them.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg.html)
It's a shame the symbols are so small they're unreadable. One would have to know what the symbol looks like at high speed to understand it.
That particular sign in the photo appears to located at the beginning of an exit ramp (Lehigh Valley Exit of I-476 Northbound) so one taking this exit is/should be slowing down anyway. IIRC that there's a similar advance-notice sign posted posted prior to the exit... at least there should be one.
Personally, this is one case where an overhead gantry-mounted BGS' (for the exit & thru-traffic) and a supplemental HAZMAT route (for the exit) and NO HAZMAT (for thru-traffic) signs are more than warranted.
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Found this on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Only place I've ever seen one of them.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4760_zps6f5b6c8e.jpg.html)
It's a shame the symbols are so small they're unreadable. One would have to know what the symbol looks like at high speed to understand it.
That particular sign in the photo appears to located at the beginning of an exit ramp (Lehigh Valley Exit of I-476 Northbound) so one taking this exit is/should be slowing down anyway. IIRC that there's a similar advance-notice sign posted posted prior to the exit... at least there should be one.
Personally, this is one case where an overhead gantry-mounted BGS' (for the exit & thru-traffic) and a supplemental HAZMAT route (for the exit) and NO HAZMAT (for thru-traffic) signs are more than warranted.
Nope, it's just before the Allegheny Mountain Tunnel on the original Turnpike. I never took I-476.
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Nope, it's just before the Allegheny Mountain Tunnel on the original Turnpike. I never took I-476.
Fair enough, but there's similar signage at the fore-mentioned Northeast Extension (I-476) at the Lehigh Valley interchange (Exit 56 for US 22/I-78/PA 309) since it's the last northbound exit before the Lehigh Tunnel.
For your Allegheny Mountain Tunnel example, the location shown that photo is either I-70/76 Eastbound at Somerset (Exit 110) or I-70/76 Westbound at Bedford (Exit 146). Note the white gore striping on the lower-left of the photo and the words on the bottom of the sign USE THIS EXIT.
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Nope, it's just before the Allegheny Mountain Tunnel on the original Turnpike. I never took I-476.
Fair enough, but there's similar signage at the fore-mentioned Northeast Extension (I-476) at the Lehigh Valley interchange (Exit 56 for US 22/I-78/PA 309) since it's the last northbound exit before the Lehigh Tunnel.
For your Allegheny Mountain Tunnel example, the location shown that photo is either I-70/76 Eastbound at Somerset (Exit 110) or I-70/76 Westbound at Bedford (Exit 146). Note the white gore striping on the lower-left of the photo and the words on the bottom of the sign USE THIS EXIT.
Westbound at Bedford.
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Interesting piece of art representing... downtown? I'm guessing the buildings in the design represent the city centre, along with the "city centre" on the sign.
(http://i.imgur.com/kbULYEP.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/V96cb
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Interesting piece of art representing... downtown? I'm guessing the buildings in the design represent the city centre, along with the "city centre" on the sign.
(http://i.imgur.com/kbULYEP.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/V96cb
It looks like a two interstate shields "melted" down.
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Interesting piece of art representing... downtown? I'm guessing the buildings in the design represent the city centre, along with the "city centre" on the sign.
(http://i.imgur.com/kbULYEP.jpg)
It looks like a two interstate shields "melted" down.
Yes, my first impression was "what the heck happened to that sign and why is it still up?".
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Interesting piece of art representing... downtown? I'm guessing the buildings in the design represent the city centre, along with the "city centre" on the sign.
It looks like a two interstate shields "melted" down.
Yes, my first impression was "what the heck happened to that sign and why is it still up?".
I'm normally for a little bit of local customization of signs, but not sure this was the right approach. They should come up with something else.
Then again, in Canada, there's no such thing as an interstate shield. So only us Americans (and frequent border-crossers) are going to see that (though it took me a while to see it).
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Looking though some Jacksonville photos from last year, I discovered...a Neutered, Neutered Shield:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/15517336571_b9814dc68e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pDdpxH)
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A neutered-neutered standard-width shield nonetheless. Also, it looks like the text is tilted (look at the 9 in particular) in the shield itself.
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WA-303 as it nears the interchange with WA-3 (sometimes known as the Waaga Junction):
Sign-colored numerals. Not unique if compared to North America as a whole, but certainly unique in Washington:
(http://i.imgur.com/dvcNFT3.jpg)
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WA-303 as it nears the interchange with WA-3 (sometimes known as the Waaga Junction):
Sign-colored numerals. Not unique if compared to North America as a whole, but certainly unique in Washington:
(http://i.imgur.com/dvcNFT3.jpg)
You could sort of count Vermont in there, but their route shield is BGS green, so it kinda doesn't count
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I am betting this is somewhere on the forum but I found this kinda funny. Riding down the Blue Ridge Parkway today and seeing this. Here it is on Google Maps.
(http://i.imgur.com/9A4mC18.png?1)
Old US 421. Not NC 421. :banghead:
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Looking though some Jacksonville photos from last year, I discovered...a Neutered, Neutered Shield:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/15517336571_b39feb4a33_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pDdpxH)
Generic 295 (https://flic.kr/p/pDdpxH) by formulanone (https://www.flickr.com/people/30552029@N00/), on Flickr
Must have been stolen from North Carolina :bigass:
http://gribblenation.net/ncfutints/fut295.html
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No idea where to put this, but this is pretty ugly looking...
(http://i.imgur.com/2hb2xtH.png)
I wonder what size the '40' is. This shields look to be 48" tall, so I'm guessing that it's around 24", which looks ugly as hell. The numbers are practically bleeding into the border.
Also note the lack of a margin between the legend and the border. Also, it's always weird to see "Oklahoma City" spelled out on a sign, since most of the time it's only used as a control city inside of Oklahoma, which consistently abbreviates it as "Okla. City".
I guess since Fort Smith is the last city in Arkansas before you reach Oklahoma, OKC is the most logical choice for control city there.
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Found this thing on NY 137:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny137/101_0690-s.JPG)
I also love Quebec's signs warning of the danger of a collision of two road signs.
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/QC/a20/101_0117-s.JPG)
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Driving US 64-74 in Tennessee yesterday, I saw a text sign warning of vehicles crossing the centerline in curves. Then, approaching a sharp turn, I saw this:
(http://i.imgur.com/dAODTxo.jpg)
A closeup...
(http://i.imgur.com/NVCMHap.jpg)
Never seen anything like this.
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Also came across one of Alabama's vanishing "slotted signs" in Huntsville.
(http://i.imgur.com/rX7YqMd.jpg)
From a certain angle as you approach this sign, you can see through the slots. Wish the camera had recorded that phenomenon.
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Driving US 64-74 in Tennessee yesterday, I saw a text sign warning of vehicles crossing the centerline in curves. Then, approaching a sharp turn, I saw this:
A closeup...
Never seen anything like this.
I thought you were going full tenso (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tenso) for a second, there (with the zoom).
Anyways, looks like the locals were also so confused, they shot the sign and the yellow bits have temporarily repaired the missing areas.
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Also came across one of Alabama's vanishing "slotted signs" in Huntsville.
(http://i.imgur.com/rX7YqMd.jpg)
From a certain angle as you approach this sign, you can see through the slots. Wish the camera had recorded that phenomenon.
I believe I have a picture of that sign (or another one) where you can see through the slots. I want to say we have about 6 of those here in Huntsville.
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Here are the other five slotted BGSs in Huntsville:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7512/15650784165_68c566c5e2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pR1mSi)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pR1mSi) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3936/15464166869_61538bcb6b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pyvU3H)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pyvU3H) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3944/15627096946_27ac79c5ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pNUXtY)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pNUXtY) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/15030653903_4c97c89faf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUd2Ke)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/oUd2Ke) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5616/15464918447_f4eb1d52ab.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pyzKsX)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pyzKsX) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Here's a "Do Not Enter" sign that was made on a rectangular blank rather than a square one:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7546/15030080854_fe92da0926.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUa6p5)
Weird Do Not Enter Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oUa6p5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Here's an odd "Keep Right" sign:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7495/15464263169_eb34de7990.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pywoF4)
Odd Keep Right Sign (https://flic.kr/p/pywoF4) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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^ Those style of signs were fun to emulate for some of the Alabama pages on the main site: (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0065sial)
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/images/i0065_end.png)
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/images/i0065sjal_sign.png)
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What's the reason for using that sort of sign? Something to do with wind?
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Here are the other five slotted BGSs in Huntsville:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7512/15650784165_68c566c5e2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pR1mSi)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pR1mSi) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3936/15464166869_61538bcb6b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pyvU3H)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pyvU3H) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3944/15627096946_27ac79c5ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pNUXtY)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pNUXtY) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/15030653903_4c97c89faf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUd2Ke)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/oUd2Ke) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5616/15464918447_f4eb1d52ab.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pyzKsX)
Slotted BGS (https://flic.kr/p/pyzKsX) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Here's a "Do Not Enter" sign that was made on a rectangular blank rather than a square one:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7546/15030080854_fe92da0926.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oUa6p5)
Weird Do Not Enter Sign (https://flic.kr/p/oUa6p5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Here's an odd "Keep Right" sign:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7495/15464263169_eb34de7990.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pywoF4)
Odd Keep Right Sign (https://flic.kr/p/pywoF4) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
If I'm not mistaken, a long time ago, there was a slotted sign of this style in Maryland on I-495 Northbound at MD-190/River Rd (Exit 39). It was replaced in the late 1980s or early 1990s after road construction. Was this a common sign style in Maryland? That's the only one I ever remember seeing.
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What's the reason for using that sort of sign? Something to do with wind?
Probably to make them more resistant to strong winds.
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There's a gantry of these slotted sign on I-495 in DE over the Christina River.
(http://i.imgur.com/zv5YYCq.png)
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There's a gantry of these slotted sign on I-495 in DE over the Christina River.
(http://i.imgur.com/zv5YYCq.png)
Cool...I always wondered where, if anywhere else, the "Alabama Slats" could be found.
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Cool...I always wondered where, if anywhere else, the "Alabama Slats" could be found.
I've seen those before, a long time ago, and it certainly wasn't Alabama or Delaware. Maybe the southern California inland areas subject to high winds had them for a while?
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Prior to either the 90s or early 2000s, I-95 in Portmouth, NH used to have some slotted BGS' as well.
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=936840436345504&set=a.187942584568630.50648.100000586708549&type=1&theater
Odd Sign on I-80 @ CA-12 in Fairfield, CA for the Sacramento and Fairfield Control Cities on I-80.
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=936856613010553&set=gm.297989813741871&type=1&theater
an Outdated button copy shot in 2014 "Marine World Parkway" in CA-37 in Vallejo, CA but Marine World Parkway no longer exists today. Its been renamed CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway.
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I thought this sign was rather interesting. Why you ask? Well, it's the only Washington I-5 state-named shield that I know in Pierce County, but more interesting is that it's in unincorporated Pierce County...basically, it's in the middle of nowhere. I'm used to seeing state-named shields in Seattle, where the infrastructure is so old that it makes sense. But the location of the sign (here) in question does baffle me a bit; the freeway was built in the late 70s, and (as far as I knew, at least) state-named shields by then were already phased-out. Keeping me from putting this on the best-of thread is the fact that the BGS is really starting to fall apart, and the I-5/WA-512 shields are out of order (the sign is pointing drivers toward the WA-512 on-ramps).
The most embarrassing thing is that I drive past this sign everyday and have never noticed this.
(http://i.imgur.com/yoIWJTF.png)
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Keeping me from putting this on the best-of thread is the fact that the BGS is really starting to fall apart
I don't think that's a qualifier over there.
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Its been renamed CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway.
I doubt this.
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I can't decide whether this belongs here, in "Worst of," or somewhere else, so I'll put it here. I passed this I-95 shield earlier today in Springfield, Virginia. It's new within the past few weeks and there's another just like it a short distance further back at the previous intersection. I assume the covered-up sign underneath says "E-ZPass EXPRESS" for the new HO/T lanes that begin operation next month.
I'm not sure whether I like this shield because what draws my eye is the amount of empty blue space between the "95" digits and the red "Interstate" portion. Seems to me if you want to post a neutered shield, you may as well use the vacated space to employ larger numbers. Leaving the vacated space like this just calls my eye's attention to the missing state name. On the other hand, some neutered shields' numbers look almost too big, sort of like they're crammed in by using every square millimetre of available space, and that's certainly not the case here (though Virginia has plenty of that type of shield). Hence why I couldn't decide which thread was the right place.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/I-95shield_zpse6f0739b.png)
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I'm not sure whether I like this shield because what draws my eye is the amount of empty blue space between the "95" digits and the red "Interstate" portion. Seems to me if you want to post a neutered shield, you may as well use the vacated space to employ larger numbers. Leaving the vacated space like this just calls my eye's attention to the missing state name. On the other hand, some neutered shields' numbers look almost too big, sort of like they're crammed in by using every square millimetre of available space, and that's certainly not the case here (though Virginia has plenty of that type of shield). Hence why I couldn't decide which thread was the right place.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/I-95shield_zpse6f0739b.png)
That seems to be a recurring practice as of late; especially w/2di shields. I've seen similar examples of new I-95 shields in PA & MA.
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Its been renamed CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway.
I doubt this.
http://patch.com/california/dixon/highway-named-for-slain-vallejo-officer-capoot
Here it is
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Its been renamed CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway.
I doubt this.
http://patch.com/california/dixon/highway-named-for-slain-vallejo-officer-capoot
Here it is
The signs designate that section of road as Vallejo Police Officer James Capoot Memorial Highway.
Leaving aside the question of who the fuck uses these ceremonial names, this is not "CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway".
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=936840436345504&set=a.187942584568630.50648.100000586708549&type=1&theater
Odd Sign on I-80 @ CA-12 in Fairfield, CA for the Sacramento and Fairfield Control Cities on I-80.
Just through there this fall, visiting my wife's cousin who lives in Suisun City. I think the reason for the "Fairfield" entry on the pull-through sign is to alert traffic that EB CA-12 doesn't go to Fairfield; rather you have to exit ahead.
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Leaving aside the question of who the fuck uses these ceremonial names, this is not "CA-37 Parkway James Capoot Highway".
In my attempt to find the sign, searching google for "Parkway James Capoot Highway" returned zero results. "James Capoot Highway" also returned zero results.
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I posted this in the erroneous thread already, but I thought it was odd enough to post here.
I'm not sure who's responsible for this (Lane County?), but this is their attempt at an OR-58 shield:
(http://i.imgur.com/fOcV1Xy.png)
Points for effort I guess. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before, except old state named US shields.
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(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y348/hbelkins/To_KY_38_zpse81f4850.jpg) (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/hbelkins/media/To_KY_38_zpse81f4850.jpg.html)
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Well, it's the only Washington I-5 state-named shield that I know in Pierce County...
Off the top of my head, I can't prove you wrong. But I assure you I'm taking that as a challenge.
...and the I-5/WA-512 shields are out of order (the sign is pointing drivers toward the WA-512 on-ramps).
Huge peeve of mine, and I think every ramp between Steele Street and Puyallup has the shields in that order. Even worse though is at the western terminus (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.1631449,-122.4837035,3a,15y,33.89h,88.33t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sT2tQR0s4D-aqTN2gOPXaDQ!2e0)... Not only is there no mention of 512 at all, but look at the control cities. An I-5 South city, a 512 East city... but no I-5 North city. (Especially egregious given that it's pointing north on South Tacoma Way. I'd imagine more traffic passing this sign is headed towards Tacoma/Seattle than Olympia, since southbound traffic would have the option of heading south and getting on I-5 at Bridgeport rather than backtracking north and getting on here.)
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Saw this retro-style, cut-corner LGS (http://goo.gl/maps/HdLdM) along MA 67 in New Braintree this past weekend. Pardon the grainy GSV image.
I say retro because the white/grey reflectorized lettering is the dead give-away that this LGS does not date back to 1973-74... the last time the MassDPW made cut-corner D6 LGS panels.
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Saw this retro-style, cut-corner LGS (http://goo.gl/maps/HdLdM) along MA 67 in New Braintree this past weekend. Pardon the grainy GSV image.
Much better photo:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_67/sbarre.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_67/
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Saw this retro-style, cut-corner LGS (http://goo.gl/maps/HdLdM) along MA 67 in New Braintree this past weekend. Pardon the grainy GSV image.
Much better photo:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_67/sbarre.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_67/
Thanks for sharing. At least the GSV and my observation this past weekend proves that this LGS is still there.
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OK? Is it normal to put OK?
(http://i.imgur.com/ybLIHWQ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ybLIHWQ)
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OK? Is it normal to put OK?
I've seen it when the sign has just a single directional arrow, but not both like here.
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That used to be fairly common on shared lane-use arrow signs, at least around Las Vegas, NV--but I haven't in years.
It may have been an old standard or option in the MUTCD...I'd have to look...
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OK? Is it normal to put OK?
(http://i.imgur.com/ybLIHWQ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ybLIHWQ)
Why even bother with 'OK'
Just install a plain Left / Straight Optional Lane sign
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OK? Is it normal to put OK?
(http://i.imgur.com/ybLIHWQ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ybLIHWQ)
That's almost a candidate for this thread:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11212.0
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That used to be fairly common on shared lane-use arrow signs, at least around Las Vegas, NV--but I haven't in years.
It may have been an old standard or option in the MUTCD...I'd have to look...
I'm fairly certain that "OK" is an option in the MUTCD. Judging by the confusion it's causing though it doesn't take much to assume that it's lightly used.
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I'm fairly certain that "OK" is an option in the MUTCD. Judging by the confusion it's causing though it doesn't take much to assume that it's lightly used.
The word message OK may be used within the border in combination with the arrow symbols of the R3-6 sign.
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So you can either go straight or turn left to get to Oklahoma.
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Someone inverted the colors on the Taconic shield:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny9g/101_0782-s.JPG)
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Actually, I like that color scheme for the Taconic Parkway.
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Not sure about this one. Does anyone know if this is standard, or at least if you've seen others in NYC?
(http://i.imgur.com/xEc7ndm.png)
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There's this thing as well:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/nyc/wokno.jpg)
(photo from Alpsroads.net)
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Not sure about this one. Does anyone know if this is standard, or at least if you've seen others in NYC?
(http://i.imgur.com/xEc7ndm.png)
That ONLY below is definitely wrong.
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There's this thing as well:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/nyc/wokno.jpg)
(photo from Alpsroads.net)
Oh my god. I guess it's useful, but it just looks hideous.
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I would have just put arrows to where it was ok to turn and nowhere else. I think when people are driving and see a black arrow, they believe they can turn there, without even reading the text.
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Got some more signs.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZtG5RsG.png)
Not sure about this one. Looks "off" to me.
(http://i.imgur.com/y1BIJIg.png)
That second shield looks awfully... bulbous.
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(http://i.imgur.com/y1BIJIg.png)
That second shield looks awfully... bulbous.
Drafting error. I'd say they got the radius dimensions confused for the top curve vs the shoulder curves. The fact that it's a cutout is troubling. Does that mean a punch die was manufactured to the wrong specifications?
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That second shield looks awfully... bulbous.
Drafting error. I'd say they got the radius dimensions confused for the top curve vs the shoulder curves. The fact that it's a cutout is troubling. Does that mean a punch die was manufactured to the wrong specifications?
Or they just laser cut it. Quite common nowadays as you can just take an AutoCAD file and have the thing finished within minutes, no die needed.
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Old-school direction arrow (though the arrowhead's a bit small) going through the I-95 shield applied to a relatively-new MassDOT D6 "Paddle" sign (http://goo.gl/maps/wDJbP) in Waltham. Another old-school attribute of this LGS is that it's 2-sided (pan the attached link). For newer installations, MassDOT typically installs two separate single-sided D6 panels.
The lower D8 panel is somewhat oddly configured as well with the small upright arrow and the squeezing in of both the local & distant destinations. For 2-destination listings, either a larger D8 panel (such has been done elsewhere) or a separate D6 installation for the I-95 South LGS would've been better IMHO.
Fortunately, since this installation is at a signalized intersection for a conventional roadway; normal traffic won't be traveling at a high rate of speed so the current D8 panel with the smallish arrow & lettering should suffice.
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Here's a sign for 95 on a trail in the Columbia area. It's way up there!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7581/15228587934_3041507e23_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW)
Photo (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW) by Elliott Plack (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
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While not unique in style per say (though one could argue whether it's erroneous or not); the recently-erected replacement BGS' (http://goo.gl/maps/398U7) for the now-gone button-copy BGS' (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/pa/us_202/) along US 202/322 at the Business 322/High St. interchange still uses Paoli for a US 202 northbound destination (as opposed to King of Prussia).
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Wah! What is with that "BUSINESS" drop cap on the High Street sign? Is that like Series E Condensed or something?
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Wah! What is with that "BUSINESS" drop cap on the High Street sign?
PennDOT's done similar (http://goo.gl/maps/toF6m) before.
Is that like Series E Condensed or something?
Same font as the other letters; just a different height.
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Old-school direction arrow (though the arrowhead's a bit small) going through the I-95 shield applied to a relatively-new MassDOT D6 "Paddle" sign (http://goo.gl/maps/wDJbP) in Waltham. Another old-school attribute of this LGS is that it's 2-sided (pan the attached link). For newer installations, MassDOT typically installs two separate single-sided D6 panels.
The lower D8 panel is somewhat oddly configured as well with the small upright arrow and the squeezing in of both the local & distant destinations. For 2-destination listings, either a larger D8 panel (such has been done elsewhere) or a separate D6 installation for the I-95 South LGS would've been better IMHO.
Fortunately, since this installation is at a signalized intersection for a conventional roadway; normal traffic won't be traveling at a high rate of speed so the current D8 panel with the smallish arrow & lettering should suffice.
District 4 strikes again - probably a knockdown was replaced under either Accident Recovery or the sign maintenance contract, and they likely based the replacement legend off of an old sign card.
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Is that like Series E Condensed or something?
Same font as the other letters; just a different height.
To me, the raised-cap BUSINESS uses Series E letters with reduced inter-character spacing. The letters, themselves are not compressed, just the spacing between them.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Dvw6AVY.jpg)
.112 Miles? That's 180 m or 591 ft.
ME 161 at US 1 / NB 161
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Maybe it's set that way for Canadians that don't' know what feet are? (not the Americans ever bother with unit conversions in the first place)
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But even so, ~600 feet isn't a commonly-used signage distance. Usually, they'd round it up to 1/8 mile or 1000 ft.
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Obviously the construction contract specified the work limits by mileage along ME 161, to three decimal places as I'm sure is common. Whatever rule normally results in signs like "road work next XXX miles" doesn't seem to have a provision for rounding, as I've seen other examples with so many digits given. The fact that this work zone is so short just slightly adds to the absurdity.
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
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I've seen that around here (and the reverse, U-turn must yield to right turn, placed where right turns get a green arrow along with the green left).
Question: in the states where you can turn left on red from a two-way onto a one-way, can you bang a uey on red?
It's also worth noting that (on multilane roads) this conflict technically only applies in states where you don't have to turn into the nearest lane. But requiring a U-turn into the leftmost lane is fucking stupid, since half the U-turners are going to be turning right soon.
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
I've seen deviations of that in Washington before: http://goo.gl/aLKDPT
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Fargo has them as well
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Question: in the states where you can turn left on red from a two-way onto a one-way, can you bang a uey on red?
Left turn on red from two way to one way is found most often in downtown streets with one-way couplets, and downtown streets aren't often wide enough for U-turns. That said, this (http://goo.gl/1dlsft) is one place where a uey on red could occur. But at least in Washington, U-turns are legal except when you would interfere with other traffic or when a sign prevents it, so most people would just flip a bitch in the middle of the street. Meaning, your described situation is hilariously rare.
It's also worth noting that (on multilane roads) this conflict technically only applies in states where you don't have to turn into the nearest lane. But requiring a U-turn into the leftmost lane is fucking stupid, since half the U-turners are going to be turning right soon.
I don't think cars are capable of turning into the far left lane after a U-turn. There's a road near where I grew up that has three lanes in each direction with a hard median. Where there are lefts allowed, U-turns are also allowed. Despite having tried, I have never been able to turn into the closest lane (middle lane once).
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
When IL-64/North Avenue was widened between I-355 and IL-59, signs similar to these popped up on the crossroads all along that stretch.
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(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20141127%20-%20South%20Florida/IMG_4477_zpsb85b0991.jpg)
Presented w/o comment.
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(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20141127%20-%20South%20Florida/IMG_4477_zpsb85b0991.jpg)
Presented w/o comment.
The arrow is quite redundant I think. It's not a bad idea having the "MI" after the distance also, IMO.
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
Some intersections here have them. Not many people pay any attention to them.
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
Some intersections here have them. Not many people pay any attention to them.
I guess a good follow up question is normally which would normally have the right of way if there was no sign, right turn on red or U-turn. Would this change if there were a right turn arrow, or a left turn arrow, or both.
In California, at any intersection with a right turn arrow that corresponds to a left turn arrow, there is a No U-turn sign. Here in MD, that is not the case, and there have been a number of close calls that I've seen. But does anyone know who would normally have the right of way?
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3043/2889158303_95dbb237f5_z_d.jpg)
US 56 near Kansas City, MO
Ewwwwwwwwwwww. How exactly does this end up happening? I mean, don't you think whoever is putting the assembly up would look at it and go, "Wait a minute, something isn't right here..."?
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"Hey, kid, ya put the wrong font on this one!"
"Gee, sorry, Sully. Want me to go back to the shop and make another one?"
"Nahhhhh, screw it. Hang that and let's go to lunch, kid"
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
Some intersections here have them. Not many people pay any attention to them.
I guess a good follow up question is normally which would normally have the right of way if there was no sign, right turn on red or U-turn. Would this change if there were a right turn arrow, or a left turn arrow, or both.
In California, at any intersection with a right turn arrow that corresponds to a left turn arrow, there is a No U-turn sign. Here in MD, that is not the case, and there have been a number of close calls that I've seen. But does anyone know who would normally have the right of way?
It depends on what the other light is showing, but in general, if the person making the U-turn has a green light of any sort (whether an arrow or a ball), or even a flashing yellow arrow, the person making the turn on red must yield because he has a red light. That is, the green light for the person making the U-turn takes precedence because turning on red is an exception to the "stop and wait for a green rule" and it applies only when there is nobody else entitled to go first.
Of course, if the person turning right had a green right-turn arrow while the rest of the traffic on his road had a red, then the U-turner would be required to yield even if he also had a green arrow, under the principle that a U-turner must normally yield. It's quite undesirable to have conflicting green arrows like that, but I've definitely seen it. An intersection near my house had a "U-Turn Must Yield to Right Turn" sign posted, but the U-turners ignored it and it kept getting knocked down.
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3043/2889158303_95dbb237f5_z_d.jpg)
US 56 near Kansas City, MO
Ewwwwwwwwwwww. How exactly does this end up happening? I mean, don't you think whoever is putting the assembly up would look at it and go, "Wait a minute, something isn't right here..."?
"Hey, kid, ya put the wrong font on this one!"
"Gee, sorry, Sully. Want me to go back to the shop and make another one?"
"Nahhhhh, screw it. Hang that and let's go to lunch, kid"
This is pretty much every sign in KCMO for US 56 except for the ones at the interchange with US 71.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Z6YhMxn.jpg)
What is a "narrow hill?" (also note the hidden driveway, it's apparently the law)
Location: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.121026,-74.495995&spn=0.014111,0.027874&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.12078,-74.495815&panoid=8iCRTdb-G2O8wTDK6q8fPw&cbp=12,177.3,,1,8.56
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I want to know what's going on with the sign on the right:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny531/101_0833-s.JPG)
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Old-school direction arrow (though the arrowhead's a bit small) going through the I-95 shield applied to a relatively-new MassDOT D6 "Paddle" sign (http://goo.gl/maps/wDJbP) in Waltham. Another old-school attribute of this LGS is that it's 2-sided (pan the attached link). For newer installations, MassDOT typically installs two separate single-sided D6 panels.
The lower D8 panel is somewhat oddly configured as well with the small upright arrow and the squeezing in of both the local & distant destinations. For 2-destination listings, either a larger D8 panel (such has been done elsewhere) or a separate D6 installation for the I-95 South LGS would've been better IMHO.
Fortunately, since this installation is at a signalized intersection for a conventional roadway; normal traffic won't be traveling at a high rate of speed so the current D8 panel with the smallish arrow & lettering should suffice.
District 4 strikes again - probably a knockdown was replaced under either Accident Recovery or the sign maintenance contract, and they likely based the replacement legend off of an old sign card.
Update: I drove by that area over the long holiday weekend; new LGS' have since replaced the older-style LGS'.
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I don't think this has been posted: Suwanee River crossing sign with musical notation, I-10, Florida (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3579774,-83.1945563,3a,75y,95.33h,86.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGWiQf5GbaaP5O9ZQ2dilxw!2e0?hl=en).
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I want to know what's going on with the sign on the right:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny531/101_0833-s.JPG)
I think it's just fuck-ugly.
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Saw this today over in Madison, AL. This is the first time I've seen something like this.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8633/15888396182_6a89b456d1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd)
Right Turn On Red Must Yield To U-turn (https://flic.kr/p/qd1bDd) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This sign also exists in Madison. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7209608,-86.7094351,3a,15y,286.82h,91.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7T7y1p1MtkuiEvcdnOHQ_g!2e0?hl=en)
Some intersections here have them. Not many people pay any attention to them.
I guess a good follow up question is normally which would normally have the right of way if there was no sign, right turn on red or U-turn. Would this change if there were a right turn arrow, or a left turn arrow, or both.
In California, at any intersection with a right turn arrow that corresponds to a left turn arrow, there is a No U-turn sign. Here in MD, that is not the case, and there have been a number of close calls that I've seen. But does anyone know who would normally have the right of way?
It depends on what the other light is showing, but in general, if the person making the U-turn has a green light of any sort (whether an arrow or a ball), or even a flashing yellow arrow, the person making the turn on red must yield because he has a red light. That is, the green light for the person making the U-turn takes precedence because turning on red is an exception to the "stop and wait for a green rule" and it applies only when there is nobody else entitled to go first.
Of course, if the person turning right had a green right-turn arrow while the rest of the traffic on his road had a red, then the U-turner would be required to yield even if he also had a green arrow, under the principle that a U-turner must normally yield. It's quite undesirable to have conflicting green arrows like that, but I've definitely seen it. An intersection near my house had a "U-Turn Must Yield to Right Turn" sign posted, but the U-turners ignored it and it kept getting knocked down.
If you have the red light, it doesn't really matter what the color of the other lights are, or if you can or can't see if the other lights: If someone else is in the intersection, you can't go. Period.
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I don't think this has been posted: Suwanee River crossing sign with musical notation, I-10, Florida (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3579774,-83.1945563,3a,75y,95.33h,86.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGWiQf5GbaaP5O9ZQ2dilxw!2e0?hl=en).
Only other instance with musical notes on a guide sign that comes to mind for me is the Hank Williams Memorial Lost Highway on I-65 in Lower Alabama:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_114_05.jpg)
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I want to know what's going on with the sign on the right:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny531/101_0833-s.JPG)
I think it's just fuck-ugly.
I-480 in Cleveland says hello:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/virtual_freeway_tours/1329292507/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/virtual_freeway_tours/1330186356/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/virtual_freeway_tours/1330186792/
Thankfully most, if not all of these, have been replaced.
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I want to know what's going on with the sign on the right:
(http://www.nysroads.com/images/gallery/NY/ny531/101_0833-s.JPG)
If the sign had been made the same height as the one to it's left, it could have been made with proper layout and spacing, and been made a couple feet narrower.
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Looks like they just used the same sizes as the old signs only to realize that the contents needed to be upgraded to newer standards: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1568474,-77.723023,3a,75y,111.85h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1snr9AmTrnAJFsIoG1MqmNeQ!2e0
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We're not sure.
(http://i.imgur.com/E1Ao3all.jpg) (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.453227,-74.946198&spn=0.008251,0.016512&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.453092,-74.946213&panoid=cyhVetGHnDLjRBPJhPnKWw&cbp=12,230.27,,0,14.21)
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We're not sure.
(http://i.imgur.com/E1Ao3all.jpg) (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.453227,-74.946198&spn=0.008251,0.016512&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.453092,-74.946213&panoid=cyhVetGHnDLjRBPJhPnKWw&cbp=12,230.27,,0,14.21)
A traffic control implement has not yet caused me to douse my keyboard in a mouthful of coffee, but this came the closest.
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We're not sure.
A traffic control implement has not yet caused me to douse my keyboard in a mouthful of coffee, but this came the closest.
Would it alarm you if I pointed out the misspelled "may be"? It's not supposed to be "maybe", which is in itself analogous with "perhaps" (so the sign could optionally read "Road Perhaps Flooded").
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We're not sure.
A traffic control implement has not yet caused me to douse my keyboard in a mouthful of coffee, but this came the closest.
Would it alarm you if I pointed out the misspelled "may be"? It's not supposed to be "maybe", which is in itself analogous with "perhaps" (so the sign could optionally read "Road Perhaps Flooded").
Agreed. More than likely, it's a misspelling. A great sign though.
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(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20141127%20-%20South%20Florida/IMG_4477_zpsb85b0991.jpg)
Presented w/o comment.
Mysteriously-ambiguous old Florida DOT standard to have an arrow pointing forward for no reason. Your example looks rather new, so I guess they aped an old sign.
From AlpsRoads.net (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/i-95/s.html):
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/i-95/sdist3.jpg)
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/fl/i-95/nfort.jpg)
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Saw these two interesting signs in Federal Way, Washington yesterday:
(http://i.imgur.com/o9jdRTA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PRvKdUg.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/PRvKdUg.jpg)
I looked through the MUTCD sections 2B.04-2B.12, and I cannot find any allowance or prohibition for using the 4-way plaque under a yield sign. But I did read where they have prohibited the x-way plaque and want "all way" used instead.
So what is the difference between a 4-way stop and a 4 way-yield? :hmmm: :confused:
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I looked through the MUTCD sections 2B.04-2B.12, and I cannot find any allowance or prohibition for using the 4-way plaque under a yield sign.
"05 The ALL WAY plaque shall only be used if all intersection approaches are controlled by STOP signs."
So what is the difference between a 4-way stop and a 4 way-yield? :hmmm: :confused:
An uncontrolled intersection is literally the same as an all-way yield.
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I looked through the MUTCD sections 2B.04-2B.12, and I cannot find any allowance or prohibition for using the 4-way plaque under a yield sign.
"05 The ALL WAY plaque shall only be used if all intersection approaches are controlled by STOP signs."
Man I need to read a bit more careful. So this means that the 4-way yield is non-compliant.
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I can see where an All-Way Yield plaque could lead to trouble -- roundabouts. It insinuates that people within a roundabout could yield to traffic waiting to enter, and then cause even more problems.
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Just to clear this up, the all-way yield sign was in a parking lot. :sombrero: I suppose this means that it's hardly unique (most parking lot signs are unique in their awfulness) but it certainly caught my eye.
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Saw these two interesting signs in Federal Way, Washington yesterday:
(http://i.imgur.com/o9jdRTA.jpg)
Great that the flashing yellow indication--an arrow--was illuminated when that picture was taken.
Seems like the sign designer, or someone in the sign shop, had never seen an FYA display before and just modeled the sign after the standard "left turn yield on [circular green]" sign.
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Bethesda Park. It's dangerous as shit, so watch your ass. :ded:
(http://i.imgur.com/JLEWRG1.jpg)
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Not in the US:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5532809828/sizes/l
NOT my pic. Credit goes to the author. No GMSV to back it up.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5532809828/sizes/l
That, sir, is a horse's ass.
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Not in the US:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5532809828/sizes/l
NOT my pic. Credit goes to the author. No GMSV to back it up.
Miles? In Canada? I guess the Metric Police must have missed that one.
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Not in the US:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5532809828/sizes/l
NOT my pic. Credit goes to the author. No GMSV to back it up.
Miles? In Canada? I guess the Metric Police must have missed that one.
I've always been curious how non-metric literacy is evolving in Canada. Anyone over a certain age can surely think in miles and feet, as can anyone in construction, but I'll bet it's diminishing.
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I've also noticed that the various TV programs featuring the contractor Mike Holmes (a Canadian) talk about almost every measurement in English units, except for temperature.
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I've also noticed that the various TV programs featuring the contractor Mike Holmes (a Canadian) talk about almost every measurement in English units, except for temperature.
Construction is still in feet and inches. People think of height in feet.
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I don't think this has been posted: Suwanee River crossing sign with musical notation, I-10, Florida (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3579774,-83.1945563,3a,75y,95.33h,86.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGWiQf5GbaaP5O9ZQ2dilxw!2e0?hl=en).
Only other instance with musical notes on a guide sign that comes to mind for me is the Hank Williams Memorial Lost Highway on I-65 in Lower Alabama:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_114_05.jpg)
I'm guessing whoever designed that sign isn't a musician—the staff only has 4 lines!
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Maybe you wouldn't be able to read LOST HIGHWAY if it had more lines?
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ODOT in the recent years had to note every crossing of a city limit on a stretch of I-71 between exits 244 and 245 to denote what is in the city of Brooklyn and what is in the city of Cleveland. It was moreso because the 2 cities were getting very anal about which city had to respond to calls on this stretch of freeway (talk about splitting hairs)
Look at how often I-71 crosses between the 2 cities in under a mile on this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brooklyn,+OH/@41.447575,-81.7380672,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830ee468f9bf5f5:0x6cbe6346175e419a
and you'll see a small example of how ODOT had to respond to it:
(http://media.cleveland.com/roadrant_impact/photo/road-rant-cleveland-brooklyn-i-71-3d22a4e0aa808e1d.jpg)
This 25-30 foot section of Cleveland makes the 500-some foot section of I-71 through nearby Linndale look like you're crossing Delaware on I-95!!!
I would hate to see what would happen if a 53' semi trailer or larger would have an incident on this spot. How would the two cities cope???
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I would hate to see what would happen if a 53' semi trailer or larger would have an incident on this spot. How would the two cities cope???
They would pro-rate it by length in each jurisdiction, and then spend approximately five times the total incident cost arguing in court about the bill.
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I note one of those signs in the picture is Clearview 5W/4W, while the other is FHWA EM/E.
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ODOT in the recent years had to note every crossing of a city limit on a stretch of I-71 between exits 244 and 245 to denote what is in the city of Brooklyn and what is in the city of Cleveland. It was moreso because the 2 cities were getting very anal about which city had to respond to calls on this stretch of freeway (talk about splitting hairs)
Look at how often I-71 crosses between the 2 cities in under a mile on this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brooklyn,+OH/@41.447575,-81.7380672,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830ee468f9bf5f5:0x6cbe6346175e419a
Good grief. Can't they just shake hands and agree to move the border to the creek? There must be an interesting story that goes with that squiggly border.
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Never seen this before. I think it means the lane is ending...
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Interesting_zpsc9673999.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/mjodq
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Never seen this before. I think it means the lane is ending...
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Interesting_zpsc9673999.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/mjodq
Old school Ontario.
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I've also noticed that the various TV programs featuring the contractor Mike Holmes (a Canadian) talk about almost every measurement in English units, except for temperature.
Construction is still in feet and inches. People think of height in feet.
And to get even weirder, ambient temperatures are in Celsius, but cooking temperatures are in Fahrenheit.
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Never seen this before. I think it means the lane is ending...
I've seen "Squeeze Left" occasionally, but found only one picture of it in my collection. This one's from a construction zone in Hadley, MA, in 2002.
(http://www.teresco.org/pics/signs/20021013/squeeze.jpg)
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Never seen this before. I think it means the lane is ending...
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Interesting_zpsc9673999.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/mjodq
ISTR a number of these on the Interborough (now Jackie Robinson) Parkway, in the area of the sharp curves in the cemetery belt as you leave Brooklyn.
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ODOT in the recent years had to note every crossing of a city limit on a stretch of I-71 between exits 244 and 245 to denote what is in the city of Brooklyn and what is in the city of Cleveland. It was moreso because the 2 cities were getting very anal about which city had to respond to calls on this stretch of freeway (talk about splitting hairs)
Look at how often I-71 crosses between the 2 cities in under a mile on this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brooklyn,+OH/@41.447575,-81.7380672,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830ee468f9bf5f5:0x6cbe6346175e419a
and you'll see a small example of how ODOT had to respond to it:
(http://media.cleveland.com/roadrant_impact/photo/road-rant-cleveland-brooklyn-i-71-3d22a4e0aa808e1d.jpg)
This 25-30 foot section of Cleveland makes the 500-some foot section of I-71 through nearby Linndale look like you're crossing Delaware on I-95!!!
I would hate to see what would happen if a 53' semi trailer or larger would have an incident on this spot. How would the two cities cope???
Along those lines, Ohio also uses 'Enter Corp' and 'Leave Corp' signs for the same purposes, something I don't recall seeing in too many other places. As for your specific example, check this out:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/24/7de56a11db01bf7cfaaa092d582c009c.jpg)
US 62 in Columbus / Franklin Township (red is the township.) Note in at least one spot the line goes down the middle of the road! I have heard of arguments over accidents where even the police don't know what jurisdiction is needed.
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The FL sign posted a page back made me think of this:
(http://communicatingacrossboundaries.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/maine-turnpike.jpg)
Are NH and ME the only two states to provide distance in miles and kilometers?
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The FL sign posted a page back made me think of this:
(http://communicatingacrossboundaries.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/maine-turnpike.jpg)
Are NH and ME the only two states to provide distance in miles and kilometers?
NY has some on the Northway in Clinton County (Plattsburgh area), up to the Canadian border.
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I don't recall seeing any the two times I was there. Maybe they used to have them? Even the French "limited cell service" sign uses miles!
http://www.nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i87&state=NY&file=101_0612.JPG (unfortunately blurry due to the sun; click for the full size which is kinda sorta readable)
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There are a few signs in both Kentucky and Tennessee that have miles and kilometers listed.
(Why do we pronounce it "killahmahters" instead of "killometers"?)
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(Why do we pronounce it "killahmahters" instead of "killometers"?)
Depends on where you're from. I've always said the latter. Probably because that's how most Canadians pronounce it (notably, everyone in BC, even the British transplants).
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I remember distinctly pronouncing it "kilo-meters" in school but being told that I was incorrect. As a grammatical construct, kilo-meters makes sense because it's in line with how you pronounce the rest of the metric system.
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I remember distinctly pronouncing it "kilo-meters" in school but being told that I was incorrect. As a grammatical construct, kilo-meters makes sense because it's in line with how you pronounce the rest of the metric system.
Heh. I remember when I was a kid one of my classmates asked the teacher why we don't say "kill-ah-grums" instead of "kilo-grams" if we are to say "kill-ah-mitters."
To carry it to further absurdity, consider "kilolitres."
I've always said "kilo-metres" (with the first "e" a long "e").
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There are a few signs in both Kentucky and Tennessee that have miles and kilometers listed.
(Why do we pronounce it "killahmahters" instead of "killometers"?)
Thermometer would be a good barometer for how to pronounce kilometer....
I'm trying to think of a xxxometer that is not pronounced this way but cannot.
Velometer, pedometer, speedometer
Mapmikey
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But most ordinary people don't pronounce other metric measurements ending in "-metre" like "ih-tur"—it's not "sen-TIM-ih-tur," for example, or "mill-IH-mih-tur." It's illogical for this one measurement to be pronounced differently.
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American English, when given the choice, tends to stress the second syllable in words that have more than three syllables. Millimeter and centimeter once* were both pronounced with the stress on the second syllable (~1828), but that faded away, owing in part to "e" being a stronger vowel than a "short i". With kilometer, though, the "short o" tends to be a stronger vowel than "e", making it more resistant to this change in pronunciation.
*To be fair, at that time, only the very well-educated would even know what a millimeter or centimeter were.
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We should all just say "klicks".
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We should all just say "klicks".
I'll stick with 0.62 mile, thankyouverymuch. :bigass:
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Never seen this one before.
http://goo.gl/maps/r34HJ
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Thermometer would be a good barometer for how to pronounce kilometer....
I'm trying to think of a xxxometer that is not pronounced this way but cannot.
Picometer, nanometer, hectometer
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In modern English, emphasis on the first syllable (CENT-i-meter, MILL-i-meter) usually indicates a metric unit, while emphasis on the second syllable (spee-DOM-eter, o-DOM-eter, ther-MOM-eter) usually indicates a measuring device. The pronunciation "kil-OM-eter" is an illogical exception.
Also, in most if not all English-speaking countries other than the United States, metric units end with "-re" while measuring devices end with "-er".
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Signs like these debuted along the 402 in Sarnia, ON about a decade ago. Queued US bound trucks were instructed not to block ramp lanes, and signs like these were installed at the end of each ramp in Sarnia. Only this one remains:
(http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/Ontroads/rampendshere.jpg)
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I'll stick with 0.62 mile, thankyouverymuch. :bigass:
I'll prefer to go with 1.609344 km instead of a mile :sombrero:.
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Don't really know where to post this, so I'll post this here.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5146461955/in/pool-canada-signs
Love it. Not my pic.
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I'll stick with 0.62 mile, thankyouverymuch. :bigass:
I'll prefer to go with 1.609344 km instead of a mile :sombrero:.
Except it's 1.609347218694 because a km is 5280 survey feet (exactly 39.37 in/m vs exactly 2.54 cm/in).
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Don't really know where to post this, so I'll post this here.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/5146461955/in/pool-canada-signs
Love it. Not my pic.
In the Rural Municipality of Happyland!
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During last weekend's Cape May mini-meet; we all saw this gem of a sign (http://goo.gl/maps/PG4uu) along CR 621/Ocean Drive in North Wildwood.
IMHO, the above would rival this one (http://goo.gl/maps/PU8XX) in Lower Township; the site of the meet's group photo (which will eventually be posted in the meet thread).
Close-up of similar sign at the opposite side of the bridge, now gone; scroll down (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/nj_162/).
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(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg198/thehighwayman394/B5TvOPyIEAA6aw0_zpsbb189a05.jpg)
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(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg198/thehighwayman394/B5TvOPyIEAA6aw0_zpsbb189a05.jpg)
That's hilarious. :-D
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4118984473/in/pool-canada-signs
Quite unique. Not even sure what font this is, but it's not Helvetica, Arial, Times New Roman or any of the arialveticverstesk combination.
Doesn't look like the MTO installed it though. Could be local or private.
Not my pic. Credit goes to the author.
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I always like seeing Series E for interstate numerals...wait this shield also appears to be a 2di. I love it even more now.
For what it's worth, this sign has been installed for a long time. I'm still not sure what the green-out covers.
(http://i.imgur.com/EN4zh0j.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4118984473/in/pool-canada-signs
Quite unique. Not even sure what font this is, but it's not Helvetica, Arial, Times New Roman or any of the arialveticverstesk combination.
Interesting. I imagine it might be a bit difficult to read from a distance with all the detail in the letters. I think that's why sans-serif fonts work so well on road signs.
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For what it's worth, this sign has been installed for a long time. I'm still not sure what the green-out covers.
(http://i.imgur.com/EN4zh0j.jpg)
http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-705_wa.html
(http://www.interstate-guide.com/images705/i-705_wa_st_12.jpg)
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(Why do we pronounce it "killahmahters" instead of "killometers"?)
Star Trek.
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No, that's why we say sabataage.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4118984473/in/pool-canada-signs
Quite unique. Not even sure what font this is, but it's not Helvetica, Arial, Times New Roman or any of the arialveticverstesk combination.
Doesn't look like the MTO installed it though. Could be local or private.
Not my pic. Credit goes to the author.
That would be Optima. It was one of the first of the "humanist" family of fonts, which Clearview is a member of.
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Signs like these debuted along the 402 in Sarnia, ON about a decade ago. Queued US bound trucks were instructed not to block ramp lanes, and signs like these were installed at the end of each ramp in Sarnia. Only this one remains:
(http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/Ontroads/rampendshere.jpg)
Westbound Hwy. 402 in Sarnia has been widened from two lanes to four, and additional customs booths have been added on the American side (at Canadian expense), greatly reducing the length of traffic backups. I drive this route often and have noticed a huge difference.
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For what it's worth, this sign has been installed for a long time. I'm still not sure what the green-out covers.
http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-705_wa.html
You're getting at something but I'm not getting it. I know what the sign normally looks like (construction on the freeway portion of Highway 7 has it closed) but I want to know what used to be under the I-705 shield.
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Oops. I'm, er, orange-green colorblind. That's it.
Maybe it's just a faded I-705 shield.
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Oops. I'm, er, orange-green colorblind. That's it.
Maybe it's just a faded I-705 shield.
np m8. There's a lot of green-out in the area (this is an original, mostly untouched stretch of Interstate 5). Nearby signs like a BGS pointing towards SR-167 have a green-out covering US-410 (https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington005/i-005_nb_exit_135_02.jpg), which was decommissioned in 1967. I assume the sign with the 705 shield is from the same era.
Historic Aerials suggests a couple of options. Highway 509 ran along Pacific Avenue near Downtown Tacoma until I-705 was constructed in the early 90s (the last Interstate to be built in Washington). The map also shows Highway 16 along the same route at the same time. I don't know why the map would show that, however. I always thought that 16 had always been where it exists today (from the 16/5 interchange to just south of Bremerton).
Based on the fact that I-705 has only existed since 1990, I assume that the sign shows one of the above options, since a shield fading after only 15 years seems unlikely.
Historic Aerials Link (http://historicaerials.com?layer=T1976&zoom=14&lat=47.243638647630696&lon=-122.43885040283203)
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I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure when that sign originally went up, it had an error SR 705 shield, or at least one such sign in the area did. I think that's what's covered here.
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The map also shows Highway 16 along the same route at the same time. I don't know why the map would show that, however. I always thought that 16 had always been where it exists today (from the 16/5 interchange to just south of Bremerton).
Nope, definitely jives with what I thought. While the 16 Freeway parallels Bantz Blvd (mostly no longer existant, since judging from those aerials/old topos, it was upgraded on the spot), before the freeway was completed, 16 (or pre-1964, PSH 14) followed 6th Avenue into downtown.
There's a lot of green-out in the area (this is an original, mostly untouched stretch of Interstate 5). Nearby signs like a BGS pointing towards SR-167 have a green-out covering US-410 (https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington005/i-005_nb_exit_135_02.jpg), which was decommissioned in 1967. I assume the sign with the 705 shield is from the same era.
Mostly untouched??? Even before construction around the 16 interchange started, sign replacement was rampant. Not completely thorough, as you mention, but for every ancient sign that you point out, I'll point out half a dozen no older than a decade. In another thread, we mentioned the new signs at 56th Street that use an ugly way too narrow font where they replaced Tacoma Mall Blvd with University Place as the "control city". Signs at the next exit south now read "S 72 St/S 84 St" instead of "So. 72nd St./So. 84th St." Any sign that has Gig Harbor in addition to Bremerton for SR 16 is relatively new, and not all such replacements were necessitated by the new interchange configuration.
Using the slider on GSV confirms that this sign is older than 2007, but I'm about 95% sure it's the one I'm thinking of that has an error shield underneath, and that it's no older than when I moved back to the general area in '04. Definitely doesn't date to 1990.
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The map also shows Highway 16 along the same route at the same time. I don't know why the map would show that, however. I always thought that 16 had always been where it exists today (from the 16/5 interchange to just south of Bremerton).
Nope, definitely jives with what I thought. While the 16 Freeway parallels Bantz Blvd (mostly no longer existant, since judging from those aerials/old topos, it was upgraded on the spot), before the freeway was completed, 16 (or pre-1964, PSH 14) followed 6th Avenue into downtown.
Speaking of Bantz Boulevard, it still exists, but only as a short one-way frontage road between 6th and Pearl. Sort of an interesting throwback on the part of WSDOT (since that frontage road was only built a few years ago). Looking at the old aerials of Tacoma, looks like Bantz was a regular at-grade intersection at 48th near Cheney Stadium as recently as 1990. Really quite difficult to imagine!
There's a lot of green-out in the area (this is an original, mostly untouched stretch of Interstate 5). Nearby signs like a BGS pointing towards SR-167 have a green-out covering US-410 (https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington005/i-005_nb_exit_135_02.jpg), which was decommissioned in 1967. I assume the sign with the 705 shield is from the same era.
Mostly untouched??? Even before construction around the 16 interchange started, sign replacement was rampant. Not completely thorough, as you mention, but for every ancient sign that you point out, I'll point out half a dozen no older than a decade. In another thread, we mentioned the new signs at 56th Street that use an ugly way too narrow font where they replaced Tacoma Mall Blvd with University Place as the "control city". Signs at the next exit south now read "S 72 St/S 84 St" instead of "So. 72nd St./So. 84th St." Any sign that has Gig Harbor in addition to Bremerton for SR 16 is relatively new, and not all such replacements were necessitated by the new interchange configuration.
Using the slider on GSV confirms that this sign is older than 2007, but I'm about 95% sure it's the one I'm thinking of that has an error shield underneath, and that it's no older than when I moved back to the general area in '04. Definitely doesn't date to 1990.
I mean the section between 705 and 167. All of the signs along that stretch are ancient (the BGS for Portland Ave is button copy -- fairly certain it's one of the last remaining button copy freeway signs in the state). Though you might be right about the 705/7 exit only sign in question, since the exit-only plaque has a black border, which is something WSDOT only started doing about 20 years ago (maybe).
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I mean the section between 705 and 167. All of the signs along that stretch are ancient (the BGS for Portland Ave is button copy -- fairly certain it's one of the last remaining button copy freeway signs in the state). Though you might be right about the 705/7 exit only sign in question, since the exit-only plaque has a black border, which is something WSDOT only started doing about 20 years ago (maybe).
Ah, didn't realize you were taking specifically about such a small section. Still, I think your statement might only apply to the northbound side.
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ODOT in the recent years had to note every crossing of a city limit on a stretch of I-71 between exits 244 and 245 to denote what is in the city of Brooklyn and what is in the city of Cleveland. It was moreso because the 2 cities were getting very anal about which city had to respond to calls on this stretch of freeway (talk about splitting hairs)
Look at how often I-71 crosses between the 2 cities in under a mile on this map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brooklyn,+OH/@41.447575,-81.7380672,16z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830ee468f9bf5f5:0x6cbe6346175e419a
and you'll see a small example of how ODOT had to respond to it:
(http://media.cleveland.com/roadrant_impact/photo/road-rant-cleveland-brooklyn-i-71-3d22a4e0aa808e1d.jpg)
This 25-30 foot section of Cleveland makes the 500-some foot section of I-71 through nearby Linndale look like you're crossing Delaware on I-95!!!
I would hate to see what would happen if a 53' semi trailer or larger would have an incident on this spot. How would the two cities cope???
Along those lines, Ohio also uses 'Enter Corp' and 'Leave Corp' signs for the same purposes, something I don't recall seeing in too many other places. As for your specific example, check this out:
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/24/7de56a11db01bf7cfaaa092d582c009c.jpg)
US 62 in Columbus / Franklin Township (red is the township.) Note in at least one spot the line goes down the middle of the road! I have heard of arguments over accidents where even the police don't know what jurisdiction is needed.
Whom ever is closest to the call should be the one to get it, regardless of jurisdiction. In regard to the Columbus/Franklin Township, I think the township should either incorporate into it's own town, or be absorbed into Columbus (or surrender the parts of the township that are discontinuous), or negotiate with the city on redrawing the boundary.
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Evendale, Ohio...note the use of the period:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7536/16214271836_f32b1a5c0c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qGNo7Y)US 42 sign, Evendale, OH (https://flic.kr/p/qGNo7Y) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
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Using the slider on GSV confirms that this sign is older than 2007, but I'm about 95% sure it's the one I'm thinking of that has an error shield underneath, and that it's no older than when I moved back to the general area in '04. Definitely doesn't date to 1990.
Jake, I'm on mobile (for the foreseeable future) so I can't provide a link, but if you look at the back of the sign in GSV, you can see a white sticker in the lower right corner that has the year the sign was put up. I can't zoom in far enough or get the right angle to get a clear shot, but it looks to me like it says 07.
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Using the slider on GSV confirms that this sign is older than 2007, but I'm about 95% sure it's the one I'm thinking of that has an error shield underneath, and that it's no older than when I moved back to the general area in '04. Definitely doesn't date to 1990.
Jake, I'm on mobile (for the foreseeable future) so I can't provide a link, but if you look at the back of the sign in GSV, you can see a white sticker in the lower right corner that has the year the sign was put up. I can't zoom in far enough or get the right angle to get a clear shot, but it looks to me like it says 07.
Good thinking. 2002 (http://goo.gl/KUzJAX):
I would have never thought the sign was that new. Now I just want to contact the DOT and get an official answer (unless they ignore me like last time).
(http://i.imgur.com/dbzChpC.png)
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I was close... sort of... not really. (So it wasn't after I moved back, it was during the previous time I lived in Seattle...)
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I was close... sort of... not really. (So it wasn't after I moved back, it was during the previous time I lived in Seattle...)
I think, in road years, 2002 and 2004 are basically the same. So job well done.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@29.287973,-94.852325,3a,75y,73.12h,87.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8yQ6mgk0-Zr6Od8wjTCx0Q!2e0
This is approaching the last southbound exit on I-45 in Galveston, TX. I've never seen a secondary destination sign for an exit with arrows for each one.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@29.287973,-94.852325,3a,75y,73.12h,87.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8yQ6mgk0-Zr6Od8wjTCx0Q!2e0
This is approaching the last southbound exit on I-45 in Galveston, TX. I've never seen a secondary destination sign for an exit with arrows for each one.
Those arrows were not necessary...
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Definitely unique.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/UpperPeninsulaJune2006036.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/UpperPeninsulaJune2006036.jpg.html)
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Definitely unique.
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/UpperPeninsulaJune2006036.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/UpperPeninsulaJune2006036.jpg.html)
That's half as much as Paradise gets in an average year, but Paradise has no big sign about it.
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I can't decide which thread is the right place for this one. Spotted it yesterday on Seminary Road in Alexandria, Virginia, and passed it again today, allowing me to get a picture.
The sign is trying to tell you that the far right lane (the one coming in from my right on the other side of the island) is an option lane at the traffic light up ahead past the dump truck, the left lane is left-only at the same light, and then beyond the light the left thru lane goes straight over the main overpass and the two lanes to the right of that split to the right onto a different overpass to provide access to I-395 northbound (via a left turn further up the road). Going straight through the light in the far right lane puts you in a lane leading to southbound I-395.
How effective the sign is at conveying all that, I don't know, given that I know the area well even with the current construction project. But the sign certainly seems to qualify as a strange one to me given how it appears to depict two right-turn-only lanes slamming into a straight-thru lane.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/fddb374ddfe4df9cb71eb0fea0cb1a89_zpsf55ebc6a.jpg)
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The sign layout is odd.
What they probably should have done was use two rows of arrows and some text to convey this.
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The sign layout is odd.
What they probably should have done was use two rows of arrows and some text to convey this.
Yeah, I found myself thinking of ways to depict it and I was thinking (1) something similar to the little island icon used on "keep right/left" or "divided highway begins/ends" signs ought to go between the vertical straight-ahead arrow and the right-turn arrows, (2) the two adjacent right-turn arrows should show a more gradual curve to them, (3) the straight portion of the option lane arrow should likewise be curved, and (4) the turn arrow for the option lane could either stay as-is or be more sharply angled.
Virginia isn't averse to using oddly-shaped arrows when needed, so the above could work here, but I'm not sure whether VDOT or the City of Alexandria posted this sign.
Of course, the sign will be replaced in a year or two when the overpass reconstruction (coupled with construction of a new HOV ramp) is done.
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Here are some odd signs in my school's parking lot:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7545/16125058720_d2cb03630f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qyV9aN)One Way (https://flic.kr/p/qyV9aN) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7502/15692567243_60a2200c73.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pUGvwc)Do Not Enter (https://flic.kr/p/pUGvwc) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Does "One Way Only" imply that signs just reading "One Way" indicate one way of various ways you could choose?
This really changes things.
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Here's a sign for 95 on a trail in the Columbia area. It's way up there!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7581/15228587934_3041507e23_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW)
Photo (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW) by Elliott Plack (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
I have increasingly seen signs like this on other trails that pass over/under a freeway. I've even started to see interpretive signs talking about the impact of the freeway (I don't have any pictures to share, but there's one in particular that I should photograph and post to show what I've found). I think this sort of thing is a growing trend.
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I didn't whether to post this in "Worst of" or "Best of". After all, it is one of the oldest signs around the city, but that patch... X-(
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Interesting2_zps10dc11a7.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/2Q05a
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For what it's worth, this sign has been installed for a long time. I'm still not sure what the green-out covers.
(http://i.imgur.com/EN4zh0j.jpg)
I believe it was an SR 509 shield.
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I believe it was an SR 509 shield.
While 509 isn't that far away, and certainly might have been signed at this interchange before I-705 was a thing, now that we know the sign dates only to 2002, I find that highly unlikely.
While I have no proof (and I'm not sure how we might now be able legally obtain proof), I'd be willing to bet a small sum of money that it covers an erroneous SR 705 shield.
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I didn't whether to post this in "Worst of" or "Best of". After all, it is one of the oldest signs around the city, but that patch... X-(
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Interesting2_zps10dc11a7.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/2Q05a
I've seen similar on many older signs in Ohio.
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I believe it was an SR 509 shield.
While 509 isn't that far away, and certainly might have been signed at this interchange before I-705 was a thing, now that we know the sign dates only to 2002, I find that highly unlikely.
While I have no proof (and I'm not sure how we might now be able legally obtain proof), I'd be willing to bet a small sum of money that it covers an erroneous SR 705 shield.
If the sign dates to 2002, then I agree with you it's probably not 509. My basis for assuming so was how they've signed this gantry on I-705. I was guessing that while they were completing the freeway they had portions of it signed as 509.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/I-705_approaching_WA-509.jpg/1920px-I-705_approaching_WA-509.jpg)
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Forgive me if this has been posted, but while driving south on I-39/90 in Illinois just south of the Wisconsin state line, i noticed an "Alcohol Limit" sign that says .08. At first glance it really confused me as it looks way too much like a real speed limit sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4736187,-88.9952287,3a,45.3y,224.06h,84.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPXxucoZQY9ba6u8lJrV1Tw!2e0
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Here's a sign for 95 on a trail in the Columbia area. It's way up there!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7581/15228587934_3041507e23_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW)
Photo (https://flic.kr/p/pcGuCW) by Elliott Plack (https://www.flickr.com/people/88483799@N00/), on Flickr
Almost makes me wonder if there should be something similar on the Withlacoochee State Trail under I-75. Or perhaps even under US 41 in Inverness once that road is widened and the bridge is replaced.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@30.475783,-83.887993,3a,37.5y,324.88h,89.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sc0fsWB9em8WfMmgGBiwJ6A!2e0
Check this one out with a missing arrow for Monticello 5.
Is Monticello 5 miles to the right or left?
This sign should also be including Thomasville, GA as the ramp its for has Thomasville as one of its control cities.
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Some old text only BGSes on NY 252 in Rochester/Henrietta.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.091001,-77.647141,3a,75y,102.09h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sODpQBbioEk-HP1xCe0YZLw!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.08918,-77.641097,3a,75y,102.09h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1se1wotoCNSEqecSFNqsuoZA!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.087138,-77.632033,3a,75y,281.43h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTo4OHC1p4cDQXRsnNWRVbw!2e0?hl=en
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.089172,-77.640634,3a,75y,284.39h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZi4iqenX1TKiRUnJXpBGrA!2e0?hl=en
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https://www.google.com/maps/@30.475783,-83.887993,3a,37.5y,324.88h,89.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sc0fsWB9em8WfMmgGBiwJ6A!2e0
Check this one out with a missing arrow for Monticello 5.
Is Monticello 5 miles to the right or left?
This sign should also be including Thomasville, GA as the ramp its for has Thomasville as one of its control cities.
I have seen a sign around here somewhere where the one arrow...next to the control point on the bottom of the sign...was meant for both towns listed.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@30.475783,-83.887993,3a,37.5y,324.88h,89.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sc0fsWB9em8WfMmgGBiwJ6A!2e0
Check this one out with a missing arrow for Monticello 5.
Is Monticello 5 miles to the right or left?
This sign should also be including Thomasville, GA as the ramp its for has Thomasville as one of its control cities.
Assuming the MUTCD is being followed and the arrow is just missing, Monticello should be straight ahead (or possibly also to the left). Distance and destination signs are recommended to have destinations listed in straight-left-right order from top to bottom, and the right arrow would be on the right side of the sign.
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My basis for assuming so was how they've signed this gantry on I-705. I was guessing that while they were completing the freeway they had portions of it signed as 509.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/I-705_approaching_WA-509.jpg/1920px-I-705_approaching_WA-509.jpg)
I assume you're taking about the "reassurance markers" on either side. I see your point, but my assumption would be those aren't actually reassurance markers (that is, they are/were not intended to indicate that you're actually on 509 north). Rather, when combined with the HC signs, it's a nonstandard way of saying that hazardous cargo may (or perhaps must) take 509, particularly if they can't take the 11th Street Bridge.
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One of the few signs that I know of in the Tennessee Valley that doesn't use Clearview or Highway Gothic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.695756,-86.000906,3a,75y,116.34h,82.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssep-t2DBzwIRY95SG7FNoQ!2e0?hl=en
It's also the only Arial sign I know of in the Tennessee Valley, but I'm willing to bet that there is more out there.
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One of the few signs that I know of in the Tennessee Valley that doesn't use Clearview or Highway Gothic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.695756,-86.000906,3a,75y,116.34h,82.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssep-t2DBzwIRY95SG7FNoQ!2e0?hl=en
It's also the only Arial sign I know of in the Tennessee Valley, but I'm willing to bet that there is more out there.
:-o That should be in worst. Even the signs around here don't look that bad. :ded:
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One of the few signs that I know of in the Tennessee Valley that doesn't use Clearview or Highway Gothic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.695756,-86.000906,3a,75y,116.34h,82.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssep-t2DBzwIRY95SG7FNoQ!2e0?hl=en
It's also the only Arial sign I know of in the Tennessee Valley, but I'm willing to bet that there is more out there.
:-o That should be in worst. Even the signs around here don't look that bad. :ded:
I think it looks pretty ugly myself, but I wasn't sure if it was bad enough to go there.
Also, Gurley, AL has street name signs that are black with white lettering. At one end, there is a black "G" in a white square.
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2d3dkfz1rdl76zikzphzbf
Also, does anyone know what font they use? It looks similar to Times New Roman.
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Has anyone mentioned LA1 at Shreveport yet?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3173/2474628761_f82d6b129f_z_d.jpg)
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Has anyone mentioned LA1 at Shreveport yet?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3173/2474628761_f82d6b129f_z_d.jpg)
I think someone mentioned it somewhere in The Worst of Road Signs...oh yeah...you did a little over 4 years ago: :sombrero: :-D
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2474628761_f82d6b129f_z_d.jpg)
LA 1 gets hit with the Ugly Stick in Shreveport
I haven't been down N. Market St. in a few years. Is that ugly thing still there? :hmmm:
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^^^^^ (I didn't want to repost the ugly)
It's been gone a while now.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.527594,-74.299006,3a,47.3y,187.7h,96.47t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scLBaOVSNu1WUuJmTZnPsjw!2e0
The Garden State Parkway entrance ramp signs were always cool to me with that slanted side complementing the arrow as you can see here. Right side entrance ramps would have the right side slanted of course, but nonetheless a Parkway trademark either way.
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The Garden State Parkway entrance ramp signs were always cool to me with that slanted side complementing the arrow as you can see here. Right side entrance ramps would have the right side slanted of course, but nonetheless a Parkway trademark either way.
The Indiana Toll Road and the Ohio Turnpike used to do that on their exit signs as well. I always thought that was so cool.
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Never seen this before.
http://goo.gl/maps/DIkkp
Looks like the MTO pulled off a CalTrans or something.
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Never seen this before.
http://goo.gl/maps/DIkkp
Looks like the MTO pulled off a CalTrans or something.
Those are quite common in Ontario now:
(http://www.AsphaltPlanet.ca/ON/hwy_402-403_images/403_dv_108-5_east_Oct14.jpg)
I've been told that the reason for the integrated tab has to do with wind loading.
Hwy 407 ETR uses its own unique partial gantry design along the tollway which does have a normal tab. 407 considers this gantry design to be propriety and will not share the design with the MTO.
(http://www.AsphaltPlanet.ca/ON/hwy_407-409_images/407_dv_32-5_east_May14.jpg)
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The Garden State Parkway entrance ramp signs were always cool to me with that slanted side complementing the arrow as you can see here. Right side entrance ramps would have the right side slanted of course, but nonetheless a Parkway trademark either way.
The Indiana Toll Road and the Ohio Turnpike used to do that on their exit signs as well. I always thought that was so cool.
Ontario does on the QEW gore EXIT signs.
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Ontario does on the QEW gore EXIT signs.
Ontario used to use trapezoidal exit signs, but no longer does:
(http://asphaltplanet.ca/ON/vintage/401/1989/North_York/401_75.jpg)
(http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/Ontroads/Exit_96A.jpg)
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Bad, but very unique along Arsenal Road near Elwood, IL:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4871_zpspkieaxu2.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4871_zpspkieaxu2.jpg.html)
Interesting no outlet diamond in Chicago:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4849_zpsgwaviovb.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4849_zpsgwaviovb.jpg.html)
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I'm impressed with the "To I-295" signage at a Wawa in West Deptford, NJ. Used the proper FHWA fonts; even made the N larger in North.
But why red?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/EFEC0E85-1CDF-4FBB-A99D-B7216FB90554.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/EFEC0E85-1CDF-4FBB-A99D-B7216FB90554.jpg.html)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/5C7ABB33-B645-4BCB-A010-B9807FAFE689.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/5C7ABB33-B645-4BCB-A010-B9807FAFE689.jpg.html)
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Some good and bad/ugly here.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/15754283884_a2f436f696_b.jpg)
Good: Nice looking 3dUS shield (dunno why people here seem to hate them), the PA SR marker just below the arrow. Around these parts of the Commonwealth at least, they usually don't post them on surface US and state highways.
Bad: Just out of the shot is the other half of the sign set pointing to US 202 North. I guess there wasn't enough room to put both signs together?
Ugly: That Helvetica Black sign blade. Just gross.
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If the signpost was leaning to the left instead of the right, then the letters on the diamond might be level. :rolleyes:
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4871_zpspkieaxu2.jpg)
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on rand rd just past golf there is an old 294 sign
https://goo.gl/maps/MiiHO
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I've spotted a few of these around Huntsville for the past several months, just finally got a photo of one:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/16376771892_0e87976771.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qXaeJ5)End School Speed Limit (https://flic.kr/p/qXaeJ5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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on rand rd just past golf there is an old 294 sign
https://goo.gl/maps/MiiHO
lolwut
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I've spotted a few of these around Huntsville for the past several months, just finally got a photo of one:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/16376771892_0e87976771.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qXaeJ5)End School Speed Limit (https://flic.kr/p/qXaeJ5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
They're starting to pop up in NY. I think they're now a part of the MUTCD.
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Something tells me that this wasn't put up by MassDOT...
http://goo.gl/maps/qbtTf
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looks like something put up by the city under the category of "wayfinding" signage.
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looks like something put up by the city under the category of "wayfinding" signage.
That's what I would think as well. They are all over Worcester it seems. Here's another one... (http://goo.gl/maps/vV9Ro)
Their signs remind me of Airport-style signage honestly.
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Ah, Worcestignage (pronounced wuss-tine-ij). Part of their purpose seems to be getting traffic off Main Street.
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I've spotted a few of these around Huntsville for the past several months, just finally got a photo of one:
End School Speed Limit (https://flic.kr/p/qXaeJ5) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
They're starting to pop up in NY. I think they're now a part of the MUTCD.
Yep. Sign code S5-3, introduced in the 2009 MUTCD.
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I already miss the art deco Exit 6 gantry on the NJ Turnpike. Thanks to the 6-9 widening project a historical figure is now gone for good.
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I've seen quite a few of these interesting assemblies (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.233079,-79.846331,3a,49y,274.27h,83.85t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9zS65lj__sP1KUo3lFo_Xw!2e0) in Pennsylvania. Somewhat analogous to New York's "End xx limit" signs.
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Why is the exit tab so large? :hmmm:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2cmlh5z1rkn9ez1ckzv1z8k
Are there any other BGSs where the exit tab is larger than the sign?
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Why is the exit tab so large? :hmmm:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2cmlh5z1rkn9ez1ckzv1z8k
Are there any other BGSs where the exit tab is larger than the sign?
Guess on my part (somebody from the area can either confirm/correct/clarify), but that exit tab was likely added later. Had it been fabricated/erected at the same time as the main BGS; the width of the main panel would've been made to match the width of the wider exit tab.
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Wider than the sign, sure. Larger, no.
The one seen here is a good example of "wider." As a bonus, the exit tab contains an ampersand. (You can see another identical sign in the background.)
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.794001,-77.151114,3a,75y,273.8h,88.35t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8klvYXIaOze_zwKyh8ILpg!2e0
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
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I've seen a number of signs in Virginia where the exit number tab is wider than the sign itself.
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I've seen a number of signs in Virginia where the exit number tab is wider than the sign itself.
Downside of having 3-digit exit numbers (4 if one includes the letter-suffix).
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
The worst example that comes to mind to me is this sign on I-10 east in Florida:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_233_04.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_233_04.jpg)
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I find this one interesting: http://goo.gl/maps/xXAib
It replaced this one: http://goo.gl/maps/Qfzxi
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https://goo.gl/maps/dR5JI
https://goo.gl/maps/8egNw
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http://goo.gl/maps/j2AHj
I don't really understand why Massachusetts refuses to use the appropriate banners for the shield size - they are specified in the MUTCD (one for 24x24, 36x36, and 48x48), so my only guess would be to save money (the larger the banner the more it costs?). But that's not really the problem with this sign, it's more-so the fact that the banner (as small as it may be) is completely off-center compared to the US 1 shield.
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http://goo.gl/maps/j2AHj
I don't really understand why Massachusetts refuses to use the appropriate banners for the shield size - they are specified in the MUTCD (one for 24x24, 36x36, and 48x48), so my only guess would be to save money (the larger the banner the more it costs?). But that's not really the problem with this sign, it's more-so the fact that the banner (as small as it may be) is completely off-center compared to the US 1 shield.
IIRC, the larger banner size for 48" x 48" shields is a recent addition to the MUTCD. It's a detail that will hopefully be incorporated into future MassDOT sign upgrade projects. As for the banner being off-center, that's due to the posts that are used. Centering the banner on the shield would require a special cross-member, which may affect the breakaway capability of the posts.
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Something tells me that this wasn't put up by MassDOT...
http://goo.gl/maps/qbtTf
Correct. These signs were put up by the CIty of Worcester under their "Gateway" project.
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I don't really understand why Massachusetts refuses to use the appropriate banners for the shield size
I saw similar reassurance marker assemblies for NJ 24; so MA isn't the only state guilty of such.
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Something tells me that this wasn't put up by MassDOT...
http://goo.gl/maps/qbtTf
Correct. These signs were put up by the CIty of Worcester under their "Gateway" project.
When was that project? The signs were definitely up by 2001.
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I don't really understand why Massachusetts refuses to use the appropriate banners for the shield size
I saw similar reassurance marker assemblies for NJ 24; so MA isn't the only state guilty of such.
Massachusetts is definitely not the only state who does it, but I've seen a lot of instances of this in Massachusetts compared to other states.
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Something tells me that this wasn't put up by MassDOT...
http://goo.gl/maps/qbtTf
Correct. These signs were put up by the CIty of Worcester under their "Gateway" project.
When was that project? The signs were definitely up by 2001.
Gateway 1 (as the project was officially called) was completed about 1997 or 1998. I recall being in Kelley Square shortly thereafter and noting how the MassHighway spec entrance sign to I-290 a half mile from me was more legible than the City's Gateway sign located only 500 feet from me.
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I wish they would've used a different typeface (oh, and larger shields). I think it's cool Worcester put up their own signs, but that purpose is defeated if they are less legible than normal DOT signs.
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Something tells me that this wasn't put up by MassDOT...
http://goo.gl/maps/qbtTf
Correct. These signs were put up by the CIty of Worcester under their "Gateway" project.
When was that project? The signs were definitely up by 2001.
Gateway 1 (as the project was officially called) was completed about 1997 or 1998. I recall being in Kelley Square shortly thereafter and noting how the MassHighway spec entrance sign to I-290 a half mile from me was more legible than the City's Gateway sign located only 500 feet from me.
Speaking of Kelley Square, that might just be the nuttiest intersection I've ever seen.
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Lincoln Square is nuttier, with its essentially useless tunnel. It made a lot more sense when it was northbound-only with access to Salisbury, Prescott, and Lincoln.
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Lincoln Square is nuttier, with its essentially useless tunnel. It made a lot more sense when it was northbound-only with access to Salisbury, Prescott, and Lincoln.
I'll admit, that tunnel looks like a waste, but Kelley Square looks like an absolute clusterfuck. At least Lincoln Square has some order to it. From what I've read about the Kelley Square, you don't even stop at the stop signs (you just keep going, since its Boston Massachusetts, and offensive driving is the only driving).
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Zeffy,
Not sure if this was already mentioned or commented on on this thread or elsewhere; but for one traffic signal project, the engineer/designer got a little creative with using large shields but small cardinal banners and direction arrows.
One advance trailblazer assembly approaching the traffic signal (further down). (http://goo.gl/maps/IBBj8)
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Zeffy,
Not sure if this was already mentioned or commented on on this thread or elsewhere; but for one traffic signal project, the engineer/designer got a little creative with using large shields but small cardinal banners and direction arrows.
One advance trailblazer assembly approaching the traffic signal (further down). (http://goo.gl/maps/IBBj8)
Ugh, it just looks so out of proportion. :ded:
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Zeffy,
Not sure if this was already mentioned or commented on on this thread or elsewhere; but for one traffic signal project, the engineer/designer got a little creative with using large shields but small cardinal banners and direction arrows.
One advance trailblazer assembly approaching the traffic signal (further down). (http://goo.gl/maps/IBBj8)
Ugh, it just looks so out of proportion. :ded:
I don't think it looks that bad.
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http://goo.gl/maps/Wu9IV
Never seen this sign before, but it looks old.
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^ Signs like those were the standard in Ontario until the '90s. Ontario redid a lot of its signs during the 1990s when bilingual signage was first introduced in the GTA.
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
The worst example that comes to mind to me is this sign on I-10 east in Florida:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_233_04.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_233_04.jpg)
Cannot be helped when the main exit sign only has a secondary or county route shield. Exit 19 along I-77 in Virginia north of Hillsville is similar to this.
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
The worst example that comes to mind to me is this sign on I-10 east in Florida:
Cannot be helped when the main exit sign only has a secondary or county route shield. Exit 19 along I-77 in Virginia north of Hillsville is similar to this.
I'm pretty sure you can help it ... You just make the sign wider.
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
The worst example that comes to mind to me is this sign on I-10 east in Florida:
Cannot be helped when the main exit sign only has a secondary or county route shield. Exit 19 along I-77 in Virginia north of Hillsville is similar to this.
I'm pretty sure you can help it ... You just make the sign wider.
I can second that. I must say that BGS is very tiny :-P
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Larger width-wise then. :-P
The worst example that comes to mind to me is this sign on I-10 east in Florida:
Cannot be helped when the main exit sign only has a secondary or county route shield. Exit 19 along I-77 in Virginia north of Hillsville is similar to this.
I'm pretty sure you can help it ... You just make the sign wider.
...as exemplified here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.286887,-74.747813,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shjvtQ4q9Mfd-EK8kecY6MA!2e0).
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...as exemplified here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.286887,-74.747813,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shjvtQ4q9Mfd-EK8kecY6MA!2e0).
Of course, here is an example where Trenton and Princeton should be signed (or Lawrenceville instead of Princeton) . Not sure why the advance signs before 1/2 a mile omit this.
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...as exemplified here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.286887,-74.747813,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shjvtQ4q9Mfd-EK8kecY6MA!2e0).
Of course, here is an example where Trenton and Princeton should be signed (or Lawrenceville instead of Princeton) . Not sure why the advance signs before 1/2 a mile omit this.
In Milford, CT; signage for the US 1 interchange w/I-95 (Exits 39A-B) (http://goo.gl/maps/ubKCQ) show no listed destinations whatsoever nor street name(s) for either direction of US 1.
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...as exemplified here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.286887,-74.747813,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shjvtQ4q9Mfd-EK8kecY6MA!2e0).
Of course, here is an example where Trenton and Princeton should be signed (or Lawrenceville instead of Princeton) . Not sure why the advance signs before 1/2 a mile omit this.
the actual exits (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.285876,-74.736167,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sm3H9RDhpmOiBaEId2V_brA!2e0) are 206 SOUTH / Trenton and 206 NORTH / Lawrenceville / Princeton.
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This sign in the foreground with the differing fonts:
(http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/njroadfan/Best%20Of/P5050007_zps863c9afc.jpg~original)
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I thought that image was from Toronto for a few moments.
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I thought that image was from Toronto for a few moments.
GARDEN STATE PARKWAY should have been the obvious clue where it was from. :-P
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I thought that image was from Toronto for a few moments.
GARDEN STATE PARKWAY should have been the obvious clue where it was from. :-P
Well I saw that after a few seconds, but everything else to me reads "Ontario"...longer than normal lane lines, shoulders with lighter-colored pavement, 4 carriageways, exit lanes that form another lane before they exit, deciduous trees, and so on.
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Another tip-off it's not Toronto is the use of green signs over both carriageways. Ontario would have green over the one and blue over the other.
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I thought that image was from Toronto for a few moments.
GARDEN STATE PARKWAY should have been the obvious clue where it was from. :-P
Well I saw that after a few seconds, but everything else to me reads "Ontario"...longer than normal lane lines, shoulders with lighter-colored pavement, 4 carriageways, exit lanes that form another lane before they exit, deciduous trees, and so on.
That could hold true elsewhere on the east coast. Ontario uses standard-length lines. In actuality, MTO practices are relatively similar to those of New York, New England, and PennDOT except for a few minor differences. Same cannot be said for PTA, NJTA, Suffolk County DPW, Buffalo DPW, Indiana Toll Road...
Tapered deceleration ramps are rare out here in general, with most DOTs and toll authorities forming an extra lane. Other than the GSP, the real hints that this is not Ontario are:
1. Green signs on outer carriageway. Ontario uses blue on local lanes for clarity (a good idea, IMO).
2. No high-mast lighting. 4-lane sections are pretty much limited to Toronto and all are well-lit.
Another tip-off it's not Toronto is the use of green signs over both carriageways. Ontario would have green over the one and blue over the other.
Beat me to it
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Not to beat a dead horse, but the NJ Turnpike uses 6" wide lane stripes, where Ontario uses the standard 4" (10 cm). NJTA decided to use 25' long striping with 25' gaps for visibility purposes with long trucks, but I think the standard 10' long striping / 30' gap would have sufficed.
Street-lighting and gantry design is my general cue at where something is at.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but the NJ Turnpike uses 6" wide lane stripes, where Ontario uses the standard 4" (10 cm). NJTA decided to use 25' long striping with 25' gaps for visibility purposes with long trucks, but I think the standard 10' long striping / 30' gap would have sufficed.
Street-lighting and gantry design is my general cue at where something is at.
However, the lane lines used by the NJTP are the same as used by ISTHA.
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This (http://goo.gl/maps/wxO2c) sign has rather fat arrows. I'm not sure if I like it more or dislike it more...
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This (http://goo.gl/maps/wxO2c) sign has rather fat arrows. I'm not sure if I like it more or dislike it more...
You probably like it more than this one: http://goo.gl/maps/YCg2A
Your post reminded me of that sign.
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This odd sign has been up for about five years now. It's a little off with everything, but despite telling them about it (4½ years ago!), the municipality hasn't corrected the sign. To the right is my illustration of what a proper sign should look like. Notice how the typeface and colors are a bit off, while the arrows look almost, but just almost correct.
(https://www.lysator.liu.se/~riiga/Bilder/Foton/felaktig-skylt.jpg)(https://www.lysator.liu.se/~riiga/Bilder/Foton/korrekt-skylt.png)
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This odd sign has been up for about five years now. It's a little off with everything, but despite telling them about it (4½ years ago!), the municipality hasn't corrected the sign. To the right is my illustration of what a proper sign should look like. Notice how the typeface and colors are a bit off, while the arrows look almost, but just almost correct.
A local variation of the same issue. Everything is correct, but just slightly different:
(http://i.imgur.com/bAHxV1T.jpg)
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Is that Transport?
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Is that Transport?
Definitely not transport; doesn't look like DIN Mittelschrift either.
Where is that? Very unique.
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At Harvard, even the construction is genteel and cultured:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7406/16452093771_1733243666.jpg)
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This odd sign has been up for about five years now. It's a little off with everything, but despite telling them about it (4½ years ago!), the municipality hasn't corrected the sign. To the right is my illustration of what a proper sign should look like. Notice how the typeface and colors are a bit off, while the arrows look almost, but just almost correct.
A local variation of the same issue. Everything is correct, but just slightly different:
(http://i.imgur.com/bAHxV1T.jpg)
The font is SNV. Used in many eastern European countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNV_%28typeface%29
There's this one in Ontario:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Opeongo_Road_signs.jpg
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This odd sign has been up for about five years now. It's a little off with everything, but despite telling them about it (4½ years ago!), the municipality hasn't corrected the sign. To the right is my illustration of what a proper sign should look like. Notice how the typeface and colors are a bit off, while the arrows look almost, but just almost correct.
A local variation of the same issue. Everything is correct, but just slightly different:
http://i.imgur.com/bAHxV1T.jpg
The font is SNV. Used in many eastern European countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNV_%28typeface%29
There's this one in Ontario:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Opeongo_Road_signs.jpg
Very cool. I've always wondered what the font was. I can see now that the "a" gives it away.
The sign is just north of Arlington, Washington along WA-530, about an hour north of Seattle (GMSV (http://goo.gl/Ea6CYY)).
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despite telling them about it (4½ years ago!), the municipality hasn't corrected the sign
Honestly, I would have ignored the request too, since the existing signs are almost exactly like the mock-ups you posted. I have to stand on my head and squint to tell the difference.
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Drove by this one today. Older NY route shield with a different font.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.142847,-77.736028,3a,37.5y,189.03h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1spdyUWuaezGf6Dwsk3WNhhQ!2e0!6m1!1e1?hl=en
Probably won't be there for long. Although it is still signed as NY 386 Coldwater Rd. is maintained by Monroe County along with other parts of NY 386 that were transferred to the county.
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In my experience, non-state maintained roads in NY are MORE likely to have old signs, not less.
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Old-school direction arrow (though the arrowhead's a bit small) going through the I-95 shield applied to a relatively-new MassDOT D6 "Paddle" sign (http://goo.gl/maps/wDJbP) in Waltham. Another old-school attribute of this LGS is that it's 2-sided (pan the attached link). For newer installations, MassDOT typically installs two separate single-sided D6 panels.
The lower D8 panel is somewhat oddly configured as well with the small upright arrow and the squeezing in of both the local & distant destinations. For 2-destination listings, either a larger D8 panel (such has been done elsewhere) or a separate D6 installation for the I-95 South LGS would've been better IMHO.
Fortunately, since this installation is at a signalized intersection for a conventional roadway; normal traffic won't be traveling at a high rate of speed so the current D8 panel with the smallish arrow & lettering should suffice.
District 4 strikes again - probably a knockdown was replaced under either Accident Recovery or the sign maintenance contract, and they likely based the replacement legend off of an old sign card.
Update: I drove by that area over the long holiday weekend; new LGS' have since replaced the older-style LGS'.
While that one is now gone; there's another old-school layout on a fairly new D6 Paddle LGS (http://goo.gl/maps/zWb8Q) further north in Newburyport (at Exit 57 along MA 113).
Roadman, unless the districts were changed since the 1980s; Essex County's in District 5; so one can't blame District 4 for this one.
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New York State Route 265 square shield - City of Tonawanda, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.016238,-78.878941,3a,75y,24.71h,91.33t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZTBS_UJI-dqoQfbxlztiLw!2e0
Instead of asking the NYSDOT to post a sign or replace one must have taken upon themselves to make their own
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Tonawanda only knows how to make rectangular shields.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Infamous_Tonawanda_Squares.jpg)New York State Route 265 square shield - City of Tonawanda, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.016238,-78.878941,3a,75y,24.71h,91.33t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZTBS_UJI-dqoQfbxlztiLw!2e0
Instead of asking the NYSDOT to post a sign or replace one must have taken upon themselves to make their own
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Tonawanda only knows how to make rectangular shields.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Infamous_Tonawanda_Squares.jpg)
Apparently, they also don't know what color to paint edge lines on bike paths...
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Tonawanda is a city at the spot where the erected the square 265 shield, so signage is, unfortunately, their responsibility (NYSDOT rarely maintains anything in cities that isn't limited access). Could we please teleport them to New England? At least then their state route shields would be right...
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Alpine Road near Stanford University. Bizarrely perpendicular to the road (no cross streets nearby).
(http://i.imgur.com/gnSSk0s.jpg)
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^^ That one takes the cake!
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Alpine Road near Stanford University. Bizarrely perpendicular to the road (no cross streets nearby).
(http://i.imgur.com/gnSSk0s.jpg)
How about this?
http://goo.gl/maps/iNlZ3
Perpendicular to the road, with no cross street. Is it an advisory sign, or a speed limit sign? We'll never know.
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How about this?
http://goo.gl/maps/iNlZ3
Perpendicular to the road, with no cross street. Is it an advisory sign, or a speed limit sign? We'll never know.
If you move up and rotate the image, there is a "gravel road" beside it. Maybe?? :bigass:
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In my experience, non-state maintained roads in NY are MORE likely to have old signs, not less.
Generally true, but until very recently, a stretch of NY 78 in Wyoming County had some stuff that was easily 40-50+ years old, including one of the last state route shields with NY in the hump. Sadly, that gem went away last summer. Wyoming County has done a major countywide signage upgrade to comply with the 2009 MUTCD, including replacing just about every all-uppercase name blade with mixed-case, making it so many county- or town-maintained highways have much newer signage than what is state-maintained, possibly due to the remote location. Actually, R4 and R6 in general have a boatload of old signs scattered around, while R1 and R5 replace anything with a speck of dust.
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This sign in the foreground with the differing fonts:
(http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/njroadfan/Best%20Of/P5050007_zps863c9afc.jpg~original)
That's intentional. PARKWAY is really the most important piece of information on that sign, since in NJ, it is "the parkway".
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.059514,-75.326033,3a,15.7y,72.02h,96.7t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sF27zz3GdR0SHzp-fVbnW6g!2e0
Interesting only in the regard that Conshohocken is listed after Philadelphia, when it should be before (if destination legends have a rule that the cities should be listed in the order they are reached).
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.059514,-75.326033,3a,15.7y,72.02h,96.7t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sF27zz3GdR0SHzp-fVbnW6g!2e0
Interesting only in the regard that Conshohocken is listed after Philadelphia, when it should be before (if destination legends have a rule that the cities should be listed in the order they are reached).
PennDOT's logic (and I use that term very loosely) is that the destinations are listed in the same sequence as the route shields.
In all fairness, PennDOT isn't the only one that does such. Note: this BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/ZOl6R) in Burlington, MA where Winchester (the US 3 South destination) is closer than Peabody (the I-95 North destination).
This BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/IXZ52) shows that PennDOT did occasionally use Series C or D fonts for destinations.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.093198,-75.305603,3a,15y,258.19h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_SIoRw395CWFiqvHwdD3aQ!2e0
Center-aligned exit tab. The sign itself looks pretty recent too! Unfortunately, if you try and get closer to it, you'll notice that the sign has been removed.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.093198,-75.305603,3a,15y,258.19h,90.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_SIoRw395CWFiqvHwdD3aQ!2e0
Center-aligned exit tab. The sign itself looks pretty recent too! Unfortunately, if you try and get closer to it, you'll notice that the sign has been removed.
If memory serves, that particular BGS (the old one) was an early 90s replacement for the original 70s-era porcelain BGS (that featured button-copy lettering but not for the I-76 shield) that was damaged/destroyed in an accident. The center-aligned tab was a match-in-kind for the original BGS.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.059514,-75.326033,3a,15.7y,72.02h,96.7t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sF27zz3GdR0SHzp-fVbnW6g!2e0
Interesting only in the regard that Conshohocken is listed after Philadelphia, when it should be before (if destination legends have a rule that the cities should be listed in the order they are reached).
PennDOT's logic (and I use that term very loosely) is that the destinations are listed in the same sequence as the route shields.
In all fairness, PennDOT isn't the only one that does such. Note: this BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/ZOl6R) in Burlington, MA where Winchester (the US 3 South destination) is closer than Peabody (the I-95 North destination).
This BGS (http://goo.gl/maps/IXZ52) shows that PennDOT did occasionally use Series C or D fonts for destinations.
In both of those cases, the destination of the higher-order highway (the Interstate in both cases) is listed first. Perhaps that is the reasoning, but I do not think that practice is required.
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New in Hayward, Calif.:
(http://i.imgur.com/RekvHjB.jpg)
Story here:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/02/11/snarky-road-signs-hayward-speeding-drivers-pedestrians-facebook/
To get people’s attention, the city has put up a few new signs that are a bit snarky. Along with the posted speed limit, one of the signs also reads “It’s a speed limit, not a suggestion.” Another sign gives helpful advice about driving down a hill.
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Already posted here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14734
But that's really a fork of this thread, since 'quirky' fits under 'unique, odd, or interesting'.
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(http://i.imgur.com/LFh8ahz.png) (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=36.054338,-98.807387&spn=0.024877,0.049567&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=36.054935,-98.816141&panoid=yUN-ijn9Y82dXgUH-9XtWg&cbp=12,19.08,,2,6.29)
No comment.
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No comment.
the bolt head makes it look like a lowercase "i", for added silly.
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At least they worded it correctly. Lots of people these days seem to think "Drive Safe" is correct.
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Is this common?
http://goo.gl/maps/8rg8X
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Is this common?
http://goo.gl/maps/8rg8X
It has the standard BC dashed border (indicating a truck-related sign), but I don't see the sign in any of the sign chapters (as published by the BCMOT).
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Just outside Victoria BC. Should be somewhat self explanatory as to what the arrow means (based on the environment visible (HINT: right turn doesn't stop)), I've just never seen it used for a stop sign before (the plaque is supposed to be used under a yield sign, per the BCMOT roundabout signing manual (http://goo.gl/ovzawJ) (page 4)).
(http://i.imgur.com/eoxR5W2.png)
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Also, Gurley, AL has street name signs that are black with white lettering. At one end, there is a black "G" in a white square.
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2d3dkfz1rdl76zikzphzbf
Also, does anyone know what font they use? It looks similar to Times New Roman.
The font for the street name is Goudy. The "G" is Century Schoolbook.
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Also, Gurley, AL has street name signs that are black with white lettering. At one end, there is a black "G" in a white square.
http://www.instantstreetview.com/2d3dkfz1rdl76zikzphzbf
Also, does anyone know what font they use? It looks similar to Times New Roman.
The font for the street name is Goudy. The "G" is Century Schoolbook.
Ah, okay. Thanks!
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Borderless "No Left Turn" sign at a hospital here in Huntsville. I'm not sure if this counts as a "design error" or not:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7347/16380296227_41e5aa3c88.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qXtiot)Borderless No Left Turn Sign (https://flic.kr/p/qXtiot) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
And right across the driveway it's at is this rather weird sign:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7423/16378758190_4c00c29804.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qXkqbA)Strange Exit Sign (https://flic.kr/p/qXkqbA) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Buried on a side street of a small west central Ohio town:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/13776471574_8cab6b7927.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mZo22Y)P1030553 (https://flic.kr/p/mZo22Y) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
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This photo was not taken in Oregon, but rather in Washington, and it's of a sign that was installed three weeks ago:
(http://i.imgur.com/Cl7Sliw.jpg)
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Well that solves the problem of "does the speed limit still apply during summer school?".
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This photo was not taken in Oregon, but rather in Washington, and it's of a sign that was installed three weeks ago:
(http://i.imgur.com/Cl7Sliw.jpg)
What defines "when children are present" though? If their is one child 50 m away from the sign, does that mean motorists now have to go 20?
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This photo was not taken in Oregon, but rather in Washington, and it's of a sign that was installed three weeks ago:
What defines "when children are present" though? If their is one child 50 m away from the sign, does that mean motorists now have to go 20?
Well, there's nothing written in stone. Supposedly it's when they're walking around outside the school. If you drive by and the kids are playing in the yard, generally you're safe. If you fly by at 40 while the kids are showing up to school, you're probably gonna get a ticket though. In general, cops don't patrol these zones. Most school zones are flashing. Some didn't have any signs and that's why these went up.
I want to make it clear that I posted the photo of the above sign because it omits the word "LIMIT" a la Oregon.
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Buried on a side street of a small west central Ohio town:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/13776471574_8cab6b7927.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mZo22Y)P1030553 (https://flic.kr/p/mZo22Y) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
Where is that?
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This US 72 shield seems to be a bit off for some reason:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8609/16419850848_b0a53ec19d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG)US 231/US 431/ US 72 (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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It's a squished wide shield. But what they squished isn't quite the same as the perfect '70-spec shields next to it.
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In Hopewell, Virginia:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.298005,-77.278403,3a,15y,9.04h,93.15t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s04qoWY4i9kaZNNZ20IxMXA!2e0
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This US 72 shield seems to be a bit off for some reason:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8609/16419850848_b0a53ec19d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG)US 231/US 431/ US 72 (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
For some reason that US72's sign's sticking-out parts at the top of the shield reminds me of the devil...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6602560053_4c0e7a2b58_z_d.jpg)
Ugly fonts in Oklahoma
That US64 sign looks cool with that font.
Just outside Victoria BC. Should be somewhat self explanatory as to what the arrow means (based on the environment visible (HINT: right turn doesn't stop)), I've just never seen it used for a stop sign before (the plaque is supposed to be used under a yield sign, per the BCMOT roundabout signing manual (http://goo.gl/ovzawJ) (page 4)).
(http://i.imgur.com/eoxR5W2.png)
Another thing I noticed is that's a British styled arrow
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Just outside Victoria BC. Should be somewhat self explanatory as to what the arrow means (based on the environment visible (HINT: right turn doesn't stop)), I've just never seen it used for a stop sign before (the plaque is supposed to be used under a yield sign, per the BCMOT roundabout signing manual (http://goo.gl/ovzawJ) (page 4)).
Another thing I noticed is that's a British styled arrow
Hardly surprising -- about 6-tenths are natives of the British isles (including me).
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I know the image is utter shit (dashcam footage FTW) but here's a sign I saw that doesn't seem to correspond to any sort of established signing standard, though I still like it:
(http://i.imgur.com/mxorzGm.png)
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School crossing colors for pedestrian crossings? Now that's interesting, for sure.
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Buried on a side street of a small west central Ohio town:
<snip>
Where is that?
Arcanum, Ohio
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This US 72 shield seems to be a bit off for some reason:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8609/16419850848_b0a53ec19d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG)US 231/US 431/ US 72 (https://flic.kr/p/r1Y2AG) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Looks like it came from the world of Monsters, Inc.
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I know the image is utter shit (dashcam footage FTW) but here's a sign I saw that doesn't seem to correspond to any sort of established signing standard, though I still like it:
(http://i.imgur.com/mxorzGm.png)
There is a standard sign in the 2009 MUTCD, "turning vehicles yield to pedestrians" sign (R10-15) that is substantially similar to the intent of this sign. Subbing the yield symbol for a stop symbol would exactly duplicate the meaning of this.
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I can't decide which thread is the right place for this one. Spotted it yesterday on Seminary Road in Alexandria, Virginia, and passed it again today, allowing me to get a picture.
The sign is trying to tell you that the far right lane (the one coming in from my right on the other side of the island) is an option lane at the traffic light up ahead past the dump truck, the left lane is left-only at the same light, and then beyond the light the left thru lane goes straight over the main overpass and the two lanes to the right of that split to the right onto a different overpass to provide access to I-395 northbound (via a left turn further up the road). Going straight through the light in the far right lane puts you in a lane leading to southbound I-395.
How effective the sign is at conveying all that, I don't know, given that I know the area well even with the current construction project. But the sign certainly seems to qualify as a strange one to me given how it appears to depict two right-turn-only lanes slamming into a straight-thru lane.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/fddb374ddfe4df9cb71eb0fea0cb1a89_zpsf55ebc6a.jpg)
I posted the above in January. I just passed that sign again today and found it has been modified. The new version, seen below, is more accurate but is still weird-looking. I didn't report the old sign to VDOT or to the City of Alexandria, so I have no idea whether someone complained or whether there was a crash or whatever.
(The sign in this picture is actually in the background of the first picture to the right of the dump truck, but both signs were and are identical. I just had an easier time getting a picture of the second one today while stopped at the red light. There was enough traffic that I couldn't really slow down to get a picture of the first sign.)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/9f106997fdd195f88a933dcffc0768e0_zpsa6e3e5eb.jpg)
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And that sign overhangs the sidewalk. Doesn't look like a problem here, but it seemed worth pointing out as this issue has been discussed in the Poor Placement thread.
Regarding the sign itself, I would make sure the right turn arrow shafts have long straight segments below the curves, and the left turn arrow curves left very near the bottom of the sign, at the same height of the lower branch of the rightmost arrow. Also, the two leftmost right arrows should maybe curve less than the one to their right, if those lanes indeed go to different places.
Or, alternatively, use standard signs that only deal with one intersection at a time, and use small guide signs on span wire before the first intersection for lane assignment beyond that intersection.
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I've known for a while about a AAA-installed wayfinding sign in Alexandria, VA, located at the intersection of Prince & Commerce Streets. (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.805035,-77.052569&spn=0.002625,0.013078&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.805034,-77.05462&panoid=ElCgM_9-axNkvSE5ZCzSHw&cbp=11,295.73,,1,10.38) What I didn't know about until recently that there were two more remaining (3 in total left of out of the original 21, circa 1930's), located at S Pitt & Wolfe Streets (https://www.google.com/maps?q=s+pitt+and+wolfe+&hl=en&ll=38.801499,-77.045681&spn=0.002625,0.013078&sll=38.801356,-77.045467&layer=c&cbp=11,54.31,,1,7.25&cbll=38.801381,-77.045672&hnear=S+Pitt+St+%26+Wolfe+St,+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&t=m&z=17&panoid=a35H967hjjwBA21Pb-tNVA) and Cameron & N Columbus Streets. (https://goo.gl/maps/5ltRa) Here's a short blog article (http://jay.typepad.com/william_jay/2010/07/old-town-alexandria-historical-plaques-aaa-road-signs.html) about the history, along with non-street view images of the first and third signs. Definitely not flashy, but easily some of the oldest wayfinding signage left in Virginia.
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I've known for a while about a AAA-installed wayfinding sign in Alexandria, VA, located at the intersection of Prince & Commerce Streets. (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.805035,-77.052569&spn=0.002625,0.013078&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.805034,-77.05462&panoid=ElCgM_9-axNkvSE5ZCzSHw&cbp=11,295.73,,1,10.38) What I didn't know about until recently that there were two more remaining (3 in total left of out of the original 21, circa 1930's), located at S Pitt & Wolfe Streets (https://www.google.com/maps?q=s+pitt+and+wolfe+&hl=en&ll=38.801499,-77.045681&spn=0.002625,0.013078&sll=38.801356,-77.045467&layer=c&cbp=11,54.31,,1,7.25&cbll=38.801381,-77.045672&hnear=S+Pitt+St+%26+Wolfe+St,+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&t=m&z=17&panoid=a35H967hjjwBA21Pb-tNVA) and Cameron & N Columbus Streets. (https://goo.gl/maps/5ltRa) Here's a short blog article (http://jay.typepad.com/william_jay/2010/07/old-town-alexandria-historical-plaques-aaa-road-signs.html) about the history, along with non-street view images of the first and third signs. Definitely not flashy, but easily some of the oldest wayfinding signage left in Virginia.
Damn. All the times I've driven through Old Town and I've never noticed any of these (recognizing when I use Commerce Street it's usually night and I'm looking for a parking space and not paying attention to road signs). Thanks for posting that.
There's a lot of interesting historical stuff to be found in Old Town dating back to colonial times. One I recall from the fourth-grade Virginia history program many years ago was "gossip mirrors" on houses (essentially a mirror hangs from an upstairs window so the resident can see who's outside on the sidewalk). But aside from the cutouts on US-1, this is the first I recall historic road signs, and these are more in keeping with the "historic" theme than the cutouts are.
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Something tells me that this sign assembly (https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.837206,-69.285977&spn=0.18,0.3&cbll=44.837206,-69.285977&layer=c&panoid=zlhaccaISkqBc5GD7OiA5A&cbp=,125.31,,0,3.949997&output=classic&dg=ntvb) is not state spec'd. Interesting-looking US 2 shield & font.
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Interesting-looking US 2 shield & font.
I disagree - that looks like Helvetica, and the shield itself is nasty looking. Blehhhhhhh!
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Interesting-looking US 2 shield & font.
I disagree - that looks like Helvetica, and the shield itself is nasty looking. Blehhhhhhh!
Yup, non-standard for sure. I don't recall a large white border on the edges of US hwy signs either. I don't understand why so many signs use Helvetica. There are many other fonts out there (not including highway fonts) that look waayy better than Helvetica IMO.
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http://goo.gl/maps/xUfSt
Definitely a MUTCD violation, but not worst for sure, not a design error of any type, so I'll post it here. Looks like something you'd see out of New Brunswick.
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I think a significant deviation from whatever MUTCD was in effect when the sign was designed is automatically a design error. This is… a poorly designed correction to an erroneous sign?
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I haven't seen a "low clearance" sign with this large of a height anywhere else, so...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16467029937_aee336b30e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig)23.5 Foot Clearance (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This is located on one of the supports for the pedestrian bridge behind my school.
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^^ So no railroad track there? 23' min from the top of the track is the recommended clearance for a bridge over a railroad.
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^^ So no railroad track there? 23' min from the top of the track is the recommended clearance for a bridge over a railroad.
There is a Norfolk Southern line right next to the school, but I don't see why they had to put a sign for drivers in the school's parking lot warning them about the height though.
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^^ So no railroad track there? 23' min from the top of the track is the recommended clearance for a bridge over a railroad.
There is a Norfolk Southern line right next to the school, but I don't see why they had to put a sign for drivers in the school's parking lot warning them about the height though.
Perhaps they decided to be cute like MDOT and put one on every bloddy bridge, including the top of a 4 level stack so show how high the top roadway is from the bottom.
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I haven't seen a "low clearance" sign with this large of a height anywhere else, so...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16467029937_aee336b30e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig)23.5 Foot Clearance (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This is located on one of the supports for the pedestrian bridge behind my school.
This goes back 30 years, but I seem to recall many high-low clearance signs along I-40 in Texas.
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I haven't seen a "low clearance" sign with this large of a height anywhere else, so...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16467029937_aee336b30e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig)23.5 Foot Clearance (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This is located on one of the supports for the pedestrian bridge behind my school.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/6921028234_89bbfe6ac7_b.jpg)
(from my flickr)
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I haven't seen a "low clearance" sign with this large of a height anywhere else, so...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8656/16467029937_aee336b30e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig)23.5 Foot Clearance (https://flic.kr/p/r68Qig) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This is located on one of the supports for the pedestrian bridge behind my school.
Why are the feet in Series C and the inches in Series D?
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I like the setup of the I-71 pull-through, though some may argue that it isn't quite right. Also digging the exit 17 sign mounted to the bridge:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8613/16693160621_808ca0a936.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rr7P5a)I-71 NB at I-275, Cincinnati, OH (05) (https://flic.kr/p/rr7P5a) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
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I like the setup of the I-71 pull-through, though some may argue that it isn't quite right. Also digging the exit 17 sign mounted to the bridge:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8613/16693160621_808ca0a936.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rr7P5a)I-71 NB at I-275, Cincinnati, OH (05) (https://flic.kr/p/rr7P5a) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
Dancing arrows. The geniuses [/sarcasm] who wrote the current MUTCD think that's confusing to drivers.
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Perhaps this comes from living in Ohio, proud home of dancing arrows, but I don't see a big problem with that sign. Why use one three times wider just to convey the same information?
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It just looks lazy to me. Like they accidentally made the sign too narrow and had to accommodate their fuck-up by rotating the arrows.
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They accidentally frugally made the sign too narrow no wider than it needed to be and had to accommodate their fuck-up point clearly at the correct lanes by rotating the arrows.
Fixed for you.
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Crazy Ohioans and your lazily placed arrows. There's a reason they aren't allowed anymore.
:bigass:
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Crazy Ohioans and your lazily placed arrows. There's a reason they aren't allowed anymore.
:bigass:
Yep. Because somebody, or a group of somebodies, at FHWA is anal-retentive.
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Crazy Ohioans and your lazily placed arrows. There's a reason they aren't allowed anymore.
:bigass:
Yep. Because somebody, or a group of somebodies, at FHWA is anal-retentive.
I completely agree with you. Motorists that can't figure out the lanes indicated by dancing arrows probably shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. There were some interesting dancing arrows signs in the Oklahoma City area quite a few years ago but I haven't been able to find the signs on Google maps. The signs indicated the left two lanes, but the sign was over the left shoulder with two dancing arrows pointing downward to the right.
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Crazy Ohioans and your lazily placed arrows. There's a reason they aren't allowed anymore.
:bigass:
Yep. Because somebody, or a group of somebodies, at FHWA is anal-retentive.
I completely agree with you. Motorists that can't figure out the lanes indicated by dancing arrows probably shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. There were some interesting dancing arrows signs in the Oklahoma City area quite a few years ago but I haven't been able to find the signs on Google maps. The signs indicated the left two lanes, but the sign was over the left shoulder with two dancing arrows pointing downward to the right.
No argument about roads is complete without somebody claiming "if a driver can't understand **fill in the blank** they shouldn't have a licence". The point is, there's superior alternatives that cost a hair more -- the cost reduction from using dancing arrows is semantics. Be frugal, not cheap.
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Here's the dancing arrows sign in Oklahoma I was talking about before. Courtesy of okhighways.com
(http://www.okhighways.com/041103/i235exit1e.JPG)
I believe that there are a lot of projects, not just signing projects, but upkeep of highways in general, that need to be done immediately. Crumbling bridges, poor pavement conditions, bottlenecks from inadequate capacity, all of it. Saving money in signing practices, even if it's reducing the size of signs that span the entire width of the highway just so the arrows are centered over a lane, contributes to making more funds available for other crucial highway projects.
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Crazy Ohioans and your lazily placed arrows. There's a reason they aren't allowed anymore.
:bigass:
Yep. Because somebody, or a group of somebodies, at FHWA is anal-retentive.
I completely agree with you. Motorists that can't figure out the lanes indicated by dancing arrows probably shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. There were some interesting dancing arrows signs in the Oklahoma City area quite a few years ago but I haven't been able to find the signs on Google maps. The signs indicated the left two lanes, but the sign was over the left shoulder with two dancing arrows pointing downward to the right.
No argument about roads is complete without somebody claiming "if a driver can't understand **fill in the blank** they shouldn't have a licence". The point is, there's superior alternatives that cost a hair more -- the cost reduction from using dancing arrows is semantics. Be frugal, not cheap.
The thing with dancing arrows is also that they were rarely (if ever used) in the northeast and other regions. Out here, downward-slanting arrows meant the same thing as upward-slanting arrows, except they were used if the main movement curved. I remember going somewhere with the dancing arrows for the first time and it took my parents (both of whom went to grad school) a while to figure out (as in they had to reach the gore). The decision distance is too short.
That's part of why they were banned altogether: downward-slanting arrows have different meanings in different parts of the country and it's best to limit confusion. Heck, two down arrows over the same lane is probably better than the slants because that notation was used over a larger part of the country and there's less room for interpretation.
The posted OK example should have just used a pull-through or had the other 2 signs shifted 12 feet to the right. From the point of the everyday driver not used to such notation, it may be confusing, especially if they're familiar with the old NYSDOT use of downward slants.
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Here's the dancing arrows sign in Oklahoma I was talking about before. Courtesy of okhighways.com
(http://www.okhighways.com/041103/i235exit1e.JPG)
That exit direction sign is badly placed. Where's the exit? Move that sign to wherever the hell exit 2E actually is, and move the other signs to the right a bit.
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Here's the dancing arrows sign in Oklahoma I was talking about before. Courtesy of okhighways.com
(http://www.okhighways.com/041103/i235exit1e.JPG)
That exit direction sign is badly placed. Where's the exit? Move that sign to wherever the hell exit 2E actually is, and move the other signs to the right a bit.
Honestly I don't think that having arrows on the pull-thru is necessary. That'd be the ideal, no arrows at all.
Personally I think NYSDOT did the dancing arrows the right way: usually at the gore, showing a higher speed ramp or split.
Instead of banning dancing arrows altogether, the MUTCD should specify their use instead of resorting to monstrous signs that span the ever increasing number of lanes in roadways.
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Personally I think NYSDOT did the dancing arrows the right way: usually at the gore, showing a higher speed ramp or split.
I think NYSDOT did dancing arrow avoidance the right way:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/s.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/
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Personally I think NYSDOT did the dancing arrows the right way: usually at the gore, showing a higher speed ramp or split.
I think NYSDOT did dancing arrow avoidance the right way:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/s.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/
I agree. I'd much rather see this instead of all that extra green space just to make a rectangular sign.
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I've known for a while about a AAA-installed wayfinding sign in Alexandria, VA, located at the intersection of Prince & Commerce Streets. (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.805035,-77.052569&spn=0.002625,0.013078&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=38.805034,-77.05462&panoid=ElCgM_9-axNkvSE5ZCzSHw&cbp=11,295.73,,1,10.38) What I didn't know about until recently that there were two more remaining (3 in total left of out of the original 21, circa 1930's), located at S Pitt & Wolfe Streets (https://www.google.com/maps?q=s+pitt+and+wolfe+&hl=en&ll=38.801499,-77.045681&spn=0.002625,0.013078&sll=38.801356,-77.045467&layer=c&cbp=11,54.31,,1,7.25&cbll=38.801381,-77.045672&hnear=S+Pitt+St+%26+Wolfe+St,+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&t=m&z=17&panoid=a35H967hjjwBA21Pb-tNVA) and Cameron & N Columbus Streets. (https://goo.gl/maps/5ltRa) Here's a short blog article (http://jay.typepad.com/william_jay/2010/07/old-town-alexandria-historical-plaques-aaa-road-signs.html) about the history, along with non-street view images of the first and third signs. Definitely not flashy, but easily some of the oldest wayfinding signage left in Virginia.
Damn. All the times I've driven through Old Town and I've never noticed any of these (recognizing when I use Commerce Street it's usually night and I'm looking for a parking space and not paying attention to road signs). Thanks for posting that.
There's a lot of interesting historical stuff to be found in Old Town dating back to colonial times. One I recall from the fourth-grade Virginia history program many years ago was "gossip mirrors" on houses (essentially a mirror hangs from an upstairs window so the resident can see who's outside on the sidewalk). But aside from the cutouts on US-1, this is the first I recall historic road signs, and these are more in keeping with the "historic" theme than the cutouts are.
The Prince/Commerce sign is pretty interesting. Mileage signs to Winchester and New Market (both towns are along the I-81 corridor). My guess is that the routing tells people to go along Commerce Street which runs into Duke. Duke Street becomes Little River Turnpike and gets you into Fairfax. In Fairfax, you can continue straight along what is now US 50 towards Winchester. Or you can follow what is now "Lee Highway" (pre-Civil War known as Warrenton Road, now the US 29 to US 211) to New Market.
It's interesting that they chose to highlight relatively far away cities.
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Personally I think NYSDOT did the dancing arrows the right way: usually at the gore, showing a higher speed ramp or split.
I think NYSDOT did dancing arrow avoidance the right way:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/s.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/
I agree. I'd much rather see this instead of all that extra green space just to make a rectangular sign.
Hmm. I don't know what to think about that sign.
Here's an alternative that might shave costs:
(http://i.imgur.com/TrXb4o2.png)
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Not a road sign, but might as well be:
http://goo.gl/maps/tHdGA
Looks official to me :clap:
2 km north of the US border in BC.
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I can't say that I've ever seen an angled wayfinding sign anywhere else in Virginia.
VA-249 near Quntion, VA. (https://goo.gl/maps/Z4hUW)
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The top-hat design on the 787 sign (specimens exist(ed) also on I-87 in NY iIrc, and I-95 in MA) is clear and saves metal and wind load. The ODOT I-71 sign with "dancing" arrows as shown should not be a problem either. There are no lanes sharing arrows which is the place where dancing arrows are usually (and liberally) used in Ohio. There really isn't much wrong with that sign at all. If the MUTCD police were to demand an immediate correction, I'd just take off the arrows for spite and leave it as a pull-through without arrows. The exit-only lanes are clearly marked and departing already.
Some of the anal retentive things in the MUTCD are really annoying. How do they cook? Like this guy?
(http://www.codiekitty.com/File/Quickies/2012/philhartman.jpg)
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I can't say that I've ever seen an angled wayfinding sign anywhere else in Virginia.
VA-249 near Quntion, VA. (https://goo.gl/maps/Z4hUW)
This used to be a standard for parks and such.
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I can't say that I've ever seen an angled wayfinding sign anywhere else in Virginia.
VA-249 near Quntion, VA. (https://goo.gl/maps/Z4hUW)
This used to be a standard for parks and such.
Alabama has several of these, and they still use them to an extent.
This one (and another one just up the road) replaced some button-copy ones of the same design:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.588363,-86.980379,-9.97h,11.38p,3z
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I know this is a double post, but these AL 20 shields seem to be a bit off:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@34.60905,-86.977785,45.34h,9.19p,2z
To me, it appears that they used a 3di shields.
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I saw the white sign seen here in a dashcam video posted on a YouTube channel to which I subscribe, so I asked the guy where it was. The sign in question is the white sign on the median. I found it interesting simply because I do not ever recall having seen such a sign. Maybe they're common out west?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.139328,-117.093403,3a,75y,39.45h,73.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUz9Ub9BEJTo82UeAHM6bew!2e0
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I saw the white sign seen here in a dashcam video posted on a YouTube channel to which I subscribe, so I asked the guy where it was. The sign in question is the white sign on the median. I found it interesting simply because I do not ever recall having seen such a sign. Maybe they're common out west?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.139328,-117.093403,3a,75y,39.45h,73.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUz9Ub9BEJTo82UeAHM6bew!2e0
We have something similar here, though I don't recall many others:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.505806,-74.845533,3a,57.6y,67.99h,91.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3mQZR_B6AUIxO56RIij3ww!2e0
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Seems like a slightly modified version of the standard lane control sign, indicating what each lane is for. In NJ they usually show a line between each arrow showing the lane divisions, but otherwise I always thought it was a fairly normal sign at intersections. (Like what Zeffy posted)
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Is it the location of the sign or the sign itself? I'm very familiar with this version of the lane control sign, but I don't usually see it posted in the central median.
EDIT: Just down the street from me:
(http://i.imgur.com/U6IJClP.png)
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Personally I think NYSDOT did the dancing arrows the right way: usually at the gore, showing a higher speed ramp or split.
I think NYSDOT did dancing arrow avoidance the right way:
(http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/s.jpg)
from http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/i-787/
Yeah, I like that one and the other examples I've seen from New York.
As for the Oklahoma example posted, the exit sign for 1E needs to be mounted on the bridge, since that's where it appears the exit ramp actually begins.
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Is it the location of the sign or the sign itself? I'm very familiar with this version of the lane control sign, but I don't usually see it posted in the central median.
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It was the sign itself I found interesting. I had not seen one that looked like that before. The style Zeffy linked looks more typical of what I'm used to seeing, although I can't say off the top of my head I've seen one with a U-turn arrow of that sort (although, having said that, I should acknowledge the weird-looking arrows on the sign outside the Holiday Inn on Eisenhower Avenue in Alexandria: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.801469,-77.073071,3a,75y,359.09h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_UegbTPEd4rPovajWvBX6Q!2e0 )
Given your location, maybe it's more of a West Coast thing in general? The furthest south I've ever been on the West Coast is YVR Airport.
Regarding dancing arrows, there's this monstrosity in Maryland that provides an extreme example:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.798236,-77.019072,3a,75y,149.98h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjGqTlv14IHCmpDdWyTdkiA!2e0
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I saw the white sign seen here in a dashcam video posted on a YouTube channel to which I subscribe, so I asked the guy where it was. The sign in question is the white sign on the median. I found it interesting simply because I do not ever recall having seen such a sign. Maybe they're common out west?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.139328,-117.093403,3a,75y,39.45h,73.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUz9Ub9BEJTo82UeAHM6bew!2e0
We have something similar here, though I don't recall many others:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.505806,-74.845533,3a,57.6y,67.99h,91.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3mQZR_B6AUIxO56RIij3ww!2e0
AFAIK, the sign 1995hoo is talking about is definitely a California thing as it carries its own sign code, R73-5 (spec can be found at www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/engineering/control-devices/specs/R73-5.pdf) and Caltrans notes that it does not have a MUTCD equivalent. It's possible the sign has been adopted by other states but I am not 100% sure about that.
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I saw the white sign seen here in a dashcam video posted on a YouTube channel to which I subscribe, so I asked the guy where it was. The sign in question is the white sign on the median. I found it interesting simply because I do not ever recall having seen such a sign. Maybe they're common out west?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.139328,-117.093403,3a,75y,39.45h,73.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUz9Ub9BEJTo82UeAHM6bew!2e0
We have something similar here, though I don't recall many others:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.505806,-74.845533,3a,57.6y,67.99h,91.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3mQZR_B6AUIxO56RIij3ww!2e0
AFAIK, the sign 1995hoo is talking about is definitely a California thing as it carries its own sign code, R73-5 (spec can be found at www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/engineering/control-devices/specs/R73-5.pdf) and Caltrans notes that it does not have a MUTCD equivalent. It's possible the sign has been adopted by other states but I am not 100% sure about that.
Most definitely. In Washington, when there is two left turn lanes and one lane allows U-turns, this is the only sign (so far as I know) that is used.
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This is an extreme example, I know...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/da4455883c797d0f1c915d619823dd4a.jpg)
Edit: some version of that u-turn sign has been popping up here in a handful of places they're actually allowed
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/54b06b37968d814165b3bd25982649c8.jpg)
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This is an extreme example, I know...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/da4455883c797d0f1c915d619823dd4a.jpg)
Edit: some version of that u-turn sign has been popping up here in a handful of places they're actually allowed
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/54b06b37968d814165b3bd25982649c8.jpg)
Until I realized that truck was being towed, I thought it was going the wrong way!
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This is an extreme example, I know...
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/da4455883c797d0f1c915d619823dd4a.jpg)
Yeah, I remember seeing those things. Until the mid-2000s, there was an Exit Only sign for US 33 East over on the EB side a couple miles east of here with a down arrow slanting to the left (until the patch seen here was installed (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.935054,-82.934862,3a,73.5y,171.36h,82.86t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDhdrxebhAdzyqWgZol_mcw!2e0)).
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I saw the white sign seen here in a dashcam video posted on a YouTube channel to which I subscribe, so I asked the guy where it was. The sign in question is the white sign on the median. I found it interesting simply because I do not ever recall having seen such a sign. Maybe they're common out west?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.139328,-117.093403,3a,75y,39.45h,73.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUz9Ub9BEJTo82UeAHM6bew!2e0
We have something similar here, though I don't recall many others:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.505806,-74.845533,3a,57.6y,67.99h,91.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3mQZR_B6AUIxO56RIij3ww!2e0
AFAIK, the sign 1995hoo is talking about is definitely a California thing as it carries its own sign code, R73-5 (spec can be found at www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/engineering/control-devices/specs/R73-5.pdf) and Caltrans notes that it does not have a MUTCD equivalent. It's possible the sign has been adopted by other states but I am not 100% sure about that.
There are a couple different styles of that sign in use in Nevada. I think NDOT has a standard sign for it, and some municipalities have their own slight variation (some versions, possibly including NDOT's, include the unnecessary and slightly erroneous text "on left arrow only").
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We have something similar here in Huntsville..
The older design:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.704057,-86.587556&spn=0.000699,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.704057,-86.587556&panoid=YwV1sK9J3DFaX7u0dg3bxQ&cbp=12,327.52,,2,-28.25
The newer design:
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=34.691307,-86.581326&spn=0.000703,0.001032&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=34.691307,-86.581326&panoid=3MiK50JGvvXJtnU2wgBYyw&cbp=12,142.93,,2,-13.8
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.634332,-74.01607,3a,32.7y,2.03h,91.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sti3LOsLGF3p5YzA4tqAkPQ!2e0
...thanks for letting us know?
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https://www.google.com/maps/@40.634332,-74.01607,3a,32.7y,2.03h,91.48t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sti3LOsLGF3p5YzA4tqAkPQ!2e0
...thanks for letting us know?
The "Off-Topic" forum has that thread about "old" names you may use unintentionally.
I suspect most people either don't know, or couldn't care less, about the Battery Tunnel's "renaming."
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The "Off-Topic" forum has that thread about "old" names you may use unintentionally.
I suspect most people either don't know, or couldn't care less, about the Battery Tunnel's "renaming."
Yeah, I thought of that topic immediately. I'm not calling it the new name. It's always going to be the Battery for me.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@38.902453,-77.058198,3a,15y,97.89h,102.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sX5LrWAp-4X9cmaFxVt0fUg!2e0
I don't know, maybe it's best-of material, maybe it's not. It uses that custom font, and it's a DC-US shield. Don't know how many of those still exist.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@38.902453,-77.058198,3a,15y,97.89h,102.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sX5LrWAp-4X9cmaFxVt0fUg!2e0
I don't know, maybe it's best-of material, maybe it's not. It uses that custom font, and it's a DC-US shield. Don't know how many of those still exist.
Off the top of my head I can think of two DC-US shields on the outbound Roosevelt Bridge. Both are on LGSs telling you which lane to use for westbound 50 and both are arguably erroneous since 50 is no longer in DC as soon as you cross the shoreline. The shield on the sign you've linked is unique because it just says "DC," not "DC-US."
I know there are others, but those are the two that immediately come to mind without having to stop and think about it.
That custom font on the I-66 shield on the Whitehurst is unique, though. Another oddity you didn't mention is the use of periods after the street names ("K. Street" and "E. Street"). That's technically an error, since neither letter is an abbreviation and the street names don't include the periods.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@38.902453,-77.058198,3a,15y,97.89h,102.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sX5LrWAp-4X9cmaFxVt0fUg!2e0
I don't know, maybe it's best-of material, maybe it's not. It uses that custom font, and it's a DC-US shield. Don't know how many of those still exist.
Off the top of my head I can think of two DC-US shields on the outbound Roosevelt Bridge. Both are on LGSs telling you which lane to use for westbound 50 and both are arguably erroneous since 50 is no longer in DC as soon as you cross the shoreline. The shield on the sign you've linked is unique because it just says "DC," not "DC-US."
I know there are others, but those are the two that immediately come to mind without having to stop and think about it.
That custom font on the I-66 shield on the Whitehurst is unique, though. Another oddity you didn't mention is the use of periods after the street names ("K. Street" and "E. Street"). That's technically an error, since neither letter is an abbreviation and the street names don't include the periods.
The font on both of those shields looks similar to a font (not sure of its exact name) that adorned many route shields in MA, ME and one or two other northeastern states up until the 1970s/80s.
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Harry S. Truman disagrees (http://www.trumanlibrary.org/speriod.htm) on the period thing. :P
I am kidding....there is indeed no reason (or excuse) for K. and E. Streets.
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Is it unusual to have the word ONLY under the word NORTH? I don't recall ever seeing it around on BGSes.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/I-680_zpse6s0qyzm.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/a8CXt
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Is it unusual to have the word ONLY under the word NORTH? I don't recall ever seeing it around on BGSes.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/I-680_zpse6s0qyzm.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/a8CXt
That is an Ohio Turnpike practice. They did (or used to do) that on EB I-80 where I-90 splits off to join SR-2 East (Exit 142). That exit made a little sense as you could not directly access SR-2 West from I-90 East. Since I-680 ends at the Turnpike, there is no reason why to have the extra ONLY.
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Is it unusual to have the word ONLY under the word NORTH? I don't recall ever seeing it around on BGSes.
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/I-680_zpse6s0qyzm.jpg)
GMSV: http://goo.gl/maps/a8CXt
That is an Ohio Turnpike practice. They did (or used to do) that on EB I-80 where I-90 splits off to join SR-2 East (Exit 142). That exit made a little sense as you could not directly access SR-2 West from I-90 East. Since I-680 ends at the Turnpike, there is no reason why to have the extra ONLY.
This one also falls into the bad design category, with the arrow in the relative center of sign (instead of on the bottom or right side) and the lack of a standard black on yellow exit only panel.
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Also Ohio Turnpike peculiarities. EXIT ONLY often appeared where there was no need for it--the exit lane appeared normally, then departed. They have gotten away from it with the newest signs but there are plenty of weirdo ones like this around.
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It should be posted, "No Re-Entry," not "Exit Only."
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It should be posted, "No Re-Entry," not "Exit Only."
Except the Ohio Turnpike use of Exit Only white on green like that isn't meant as "no re-entry"....it's a well-meaning but inappropriate use of the conventional Exit Only and they use(d) it at many interchanges. A couple pictures at the top of Steve's I-80/90 page (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/oh/i-90/w.html) show what I mean.
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I really wasn't sure which thread this belongs in, so I'm using the interesting clause of the title here. Reform, AL
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/09/3405d381a70a0696fe5530ab6bebcfc8.jpg)
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Looks like they should've gone for a mini roundabout instead.
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Trenton has done this on a few of their signs:
Take a sign that is center justified for "No Parking", then instead of adding a single long arrow indicating the beginning of the no parking zone, use two short arrows facing the same direction. If you squint, you can see the next "No Parking" sign has two arrows, facing opposite directions. While correctly applied in its location, usually a long arrow pointing both directions would be used.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/0A2DCE5C-D59D-48DF-999D-F6A062E9A541.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/0A2DCE5C-D59D-48DF-999D-F6A062E9A541.jpg.html)
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NJ's law was "Yield to Pedestrians". The new law is "Stop for Pedestrians". In most cases, the sign was replaced or "yield to" became "stop for". In some cases, only yield was replaced with Stop, resulting in the weirdly sounding "Stop Here To Pedestrians" or "Stop To Pedestrians". Look closely and you can see they attempted to cover up the old "Yield" graphic also, but slightly missed the corners.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/roadnut/6EDFF40B-ABDB-48DA-817A-E154436E484F.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/roadnut/media/6EDFF40B-ABDB-48DA-817A-E154436E484F.jpg.html)
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At least Trenton's sign is better than:
(http://i.imgur.com/95OHSCu.png)
:bigass:
That being said, I don't appreciate those stupid 'STOP FOR PEDESTRIAN' signs they place in the center of most roads in pedestrian-heavy areas, because combine that with with people parked on the sides and you have to navigate to avoid the sign and the cars. I would rather them post signs and stick them on the sidewalk.
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One thing I dislike about "Stop for Pedestrian" signs is that some cities place them in crosswalks controlled by "Walk/Don't Walk" lights. If the pedestrian has a "Don't Walk" light, HE is supposed to yield to vehicles with a green light. But I've seen a number of belligerent pedestrians who think the "Stop for Pedestrian" sign trumps thag.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
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One thing I dislike about "Stop for Pedestrian" signs is that some cities place them in crosswalks controlled by "Walk/Don't Walk" lights. If the pedestrian has a "Don't Walk" light, HE is supposed to yield to vehicles with a green light. But I've seen a number of belligerent pedestrians who think the "Stop for Pedestrian" sign trumps thag.
That happened to me in Lambertville on Sunday. Sure, 'stop for pedestrians' means do it at crosswalks, but if the damn traffic signal has a picture of a hand up, you still don't cross.
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At least Trenton's sign is better than:
(http://i.imgur.com/95OHSCu.png)
:bigass:
:bigass:
There are a few of these signs still around where "Yield" hasn't faded. There was one just down the street from where I took my pictures. (At least I think it still said 'Yield" and not "Stop")
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
Legally, yes. You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
Legally, yes. You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them.
Not in Massachusetts. from M.G.L. c. 89, § 11:
Section 11. When traffic control signals are not in place or not in operation the driver of a vehicle shall yield the right of way, slowing down or stopping if need be so to yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk marked in accordance with standards established by the department of highways if the pedestrian is on that half of the traveled part of the way on which the vehicle is traveling or if the pedestrian approaches from the opposite half of the traveled part of the way to within 10 feet of that half of the traveled part of the way on which said vehicle is traveling.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
Legally, yes. You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them.
That's the sort of thing that varies from state to state, just like whether the law calls for "stopping for" or "yielding to" pedestrians varies from state to state. In a state that requires you to "yield" to pedestrians, you don't necessarily have to stop for a pedestrian in the crosswalk, for example if it's a wide street and the pedestrian is nowhere near your lane. But some states require you to stop if the pedestrian is anywhere in the crosswalk.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
Legally, yes. You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them.
So when driving on the 75 mph Kansas Turnpike, if a pedestrian wanders into the road, legally everyone has to stop for him? I don't think so. That's why these blanket statements are almost always wrong.
Here's NJ's law pertaining to pedestrians. While a pedestrian within a crosswalk (or unmarked crosswalk at intersections) are perceived to have the right of way, they certainly can't just wander willy-nilly:
39:4-36 Driver to yield to pedestrians, exceptions; violations, penalties.
39:4-36. a. The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, except at crosswalks when the movement of traffic is being regulated by police officers or traffic control signals, or where otherwise regulated by municipal, county, or State regulation, and except where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided:
(1)The driver of a vehicle shall stop and remain stopped to allow a pedestrian to cross the roadway within a marked crosswalk, when the pedestrian is upon, or within one lane of, the half of the roadway, upon which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning. As used in this paragraph, "half of the roadway" means all traffic lanes conveying traffic in one direction of travel, and includes the entire width of a one-way roadway.
(2)No pedestrian shall leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield or stop.
(3)Whenever any vehicle is stopped to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.
(4)Every pedestrian upon a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(5)Nothing contained herein shall relieve a driver from the duty to exercise due care for the safety of any pedestrian upon a roadway. Nothing contained herein shall relieve a pedestrian from using due care for his safety.
Now, since you're from Kansas, maybe their law is different. So I looked it up...and it's extremely similar to NJ's law. In fact, there's nothing to indicate that "You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them." There is a provision that requires drivers to exercise due care to avoid hitting pedestrians, but that's not the same as saying the pedestrian is always right.
Kansas' laws pertaining to pedestrians: http://www.ksdot.org/bureaus/burRail/bike/biking/KssidewalkStatutes.asp
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
Are you sure that's a public road? It's past the "authorized personal only, permit required" sign. Probably put up by the airport authority.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the MUTCD says signs "shall" use the approved fonts, to the same degree of force as it says stop signs "shall" be octagonal and red.
Edit: not literally true, as it turns out.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the MUTCD says signs "shall" use the approved fonts, to the same degree of force as it says stop signs "shall" be octagonal and red.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/mutcd2009edition.pdf
Amazingly, doing a word search, "Font" only comes up once in the entire document. And it's under the 'changeable message sign' section.
As for the section under Stop signs, it only states that the stop sign "shall be an octagon with a white legend and border on a red background". So as long as that condition is met, which it was, then it's a legal stop sign.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the MUTCD says signs "shall" use the approved fonts, to the same degree of force as it says stop signs "shall" be octagonal and red.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/mutcd2009edition.pdf
Amazingly, doing a word search, "Font" only comes up once in the entire document. And it's under the 'changeable message sign' section.
As for the section under Stop signs, it only states that the stop sign "shall be an octagon with a white legend and border on a red background". So as long as that condition is met, which it was, then it's a legal stop sign.
I didn't try searching it because it was taking forever to load to the point where I could do that, but do they perchance use the word "typeface" instead of "font"? Most people would regard the distinction between the two words as pedantic, but there is a difference. The "font" is what you use, the "typeface" is what you see. Times New Roman is a typeface, for example (and Times New Roman Bold is a different typeface). Times New Roman 12-point is a font. A font is a single weight, width, and style of a typeface.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the MUTCD says signs "shall" use the approved fonts, to the same degree of force as it says stop signs "shall" be octagonal and red.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/mutcd2009edition.pdf
Amazingly, doing a word search, "Font" only comes up once in the entire document. And it's under the 'changeable message sign' section.
As for the section under Stop signs, it only states that the stop sign "shall be an octagon with a white legend and border on a red background". So as long as that condition is met, which it was, then it's a legal stop sign.
I didn't try searching it because it was taking forever to load to the point where I could do that, but do they perchance use the word "typeface" instead of "font"? Most people would regard the distinction between the two words as pedantic, but there is a difference. The "font" is what you use, the "typeface" is what you see. Times New Roman is a typeface, for example (and Times New Roman Bold is a different typeface). Times New Roman 12-point is a font. A font is a single weight, width, and style of a typeface.
From Section 2A.06 Design of Signs:
Standard:
06 The term legend shall include all word messages and symbol and arrow designs that are intended to
convey specific meanings.
07 Uniformity in design shall include shape, color, dimensions, legends, borders, and illumination or
retroreflectivity.
08 Standardization of these designs does not preclude further improvement by minor changes in the
proportion or orientation of symbols, width of borders, or layout of word messages, but all shapes and
colors shall be as indicated.
09 All symbols shall be unmistakably similar to, or mirror images of, the adopted symbol signs, all of
which are shown in the “Standard Highway Signs and Markings” book (see Section 1A.11). Symbols
and colors shall not be modified unless otherwise provided in this Manual. All symbols and colors for
signs not shown in the “Standard Highway Signs and Markings” book shall follow the procedures for
experimentation and change described in Section 1A.10.
This suggests that symbol and color are the only factors that are sacrosanct.
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I was trying to think of other words similar to 'font' as well.
Typeface and type face both come up negative.
Type or face come up, but nothing to do with fonts.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@28.448399,-81.330634,3a,82.2y,139.16h,84.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZqh4hQTeinCz_0qkDhvmdg!2e0
This is on the west side of the Orlando International Airport. One of the very rare instances of a public road with a non MUTCD stop sign.
While the font on that STOP sign certainly isn't standard, I'll give you that (looks like a private fabrication/install); however, that alone does not make it non-MUTCD complaint. As long as it's octagonal, red w/white lettering and has the word STOP on it; it's MUTCD complaint for a STOP sign.
To be honest, when I first clicked on your link; I was expecting to see either an odd-shaped and/or different colored STOP sign.
Not to be pedantic, but I believe the MUTCD says signs "shall" use the approved fonts, to the same degree of force as it says stop signs "shall" be octagonal and red.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/mutcd2009edition.pdf
Amazingly, doing a word search, "Font" only comes up once in the entire document. And it's under the 'changeable message sign' section.
As for the section under Stop signs, it only states that the stop sign "shall be an octagon with a white legend and border on a red background". So as long as that condition is met, which it was, then it's a legal stop sign.
I didn't try searching it because it was taking forever to load to the point where I could do that, but do they perchance use the word "typeface" instead of "font"? Most people would regard the distinction between the two words as pedantic, but there is a difference. The "font" is what you use, the "typeface" is what you see. Times New Roman is a typeface, for example (and Times New Roman Bold is a different typeface). Times New Roman 12-point is a font. A font is a single weight, width, and style of a typeface.
From Section 2A.06 Design of Signs:
Standard:
06 The term legend shall include all word messages and symbol and arrow designs that are intended to
convey specific meanings.
07 Uniformity in design shall include shape, color, dimensions, legends, borders, and illumination or
retroreflectivity.
08 Standardization of these designs does not preclude further improvement by minor changes in the
proportion or orientation of symbols, width of borders, or layout of word messages, but all shapes and
colors shall be as indicated.
09 All symbols shall be unmistakably similar to, or mirror images of, the adopted symbol signs, all of
which are shown in the “Standard Highway Signs and Markings” book (see Section 1A.11). Symbols
and colors shall not be modified unless otherwise provided in this Manual. All symbols and colors for
signs not shown in the “Standard Highway Signs and Markings” book shall follow the procedures for
experimentation and change described in Section 1A.10.
This suggests that symbol and color are the only factors that are sacrosanct.
I guess what I was falling back to was simplicity. Instead of dissecting the verbiage of the MUTCD, I was thinking of driver's education. One of the first things you learn when you start learning how to drive is that stop signs are the most unique signs in the world for a reason. There is a reason they are the only octagonal signs and one of just a hand full of signs that are mostly (or all) red. In the interest of safety for those learning to drive, the MUTCD came up with strict guidelines on how a stop sign should look so it will not look "foreign" when it doesn't comply to the same standards as all the others across the country. So when I see a stop sign that is not in FHWA Highway Gothic font, I think it is very odd looking, seeing how they are supposed to be the most standardized sign across the board by MUTCH, because it is a STOP SIGN.
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I suspect you are in the minority. You know what most people do when they see a sign that is not in FHWA Highway Gothic font?
They stop.
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A pedestrian disobeying the DON'T WALK signal is still someone a driver has to yield to.
To avoid hitting, yes. Legally, no.
Legally, yes. You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them.
So when driving on the 75 mph Kansas Turnpike, if a pedestrian wanders into the road, legally everyone has to stop for him? I don't think so. That's why these blanket statements are almost always wrong.
Here's NJ's law pertaining to pedestrians. While a pedestrian within a crosswalk (or unmarked crosswalk at intersections) are perceived to have the right of way, they certainly can't just wander willy-nilly:
39:4-36 Driver to yield to pedestrians, exceptions; violations, penalties.
39:4-36. a. The driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection, except at crosswalks when the movement of traffic is being regulated by police officers or traffic control signals, or where otherwise regulated by municipal, county, or State regulation, and except where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided:
(1)The driver of a vehicle shall stop and remain stopped to allow a pedestrian to cross the roadway within a marked crosswalk, when the pedestrian is upon, or within one lane of, the half of the roadway, upon which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning. As used in this paragraph, "half of the roadway" means all traffic lanes conveying traffic in one direction of travel, and includes the entire width of a one-way roadway.
(2)No pedestrian shall leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield or stop.
(3)Whenever any vehicle is stopped to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass such stopped vehicle.
(4)Every pedestrian upon a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(5)Nothing contained herein shall relieve a driver from the duty to exercise due care for the safety of any pedestrian upon a roadway. Nothing contained herein shall relieve a pedestrian from using due care for his safety.
Now, since you're from Kansas, maybe their law is different. So I looked it up...and it's extremely similar to NJ's law. In fact, there's nothing to indicate that "You, as a driver, are in fact legally obligated to yield to pedestrians even when they have broken the law and entered the roadway in violation of laws pertaining to them." There is a provision that requires drivers to exercise due care to avoid hitting pedestrians, but that's not the same as saying the pedestrian is always right.
Kansas' laws pertaining to pedestrians: http://www.ksdot.org/bureaus/burRail/bike/biking/KssidewalkStatutes.asp
So your saying that "exercising due care for the safety of any pedestrian upon a roadway" does NOT necessarily include yielding to said pedestrian? The original post I quoted very clearly implied that it is legal to hit a pedestrian who has entered the road against a DON'T WALK signal, when such is obviously not the case.
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From MUTCD Standard Sign Manual
Letters in the box in the bottom refer to the FHWA typeface to use. First sign in this PDF file is the stop sign and say use series C in column D
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/SHSe/Regulatory.pdf
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And yes, if you're driving on the Turnpike at 75 mph and someone wanders out into the highway, you are legally obligated to avoid hitting him. If that means coming to a full stop (not sure how it would require that, but I'll bite), then so be it. There does not exist a point at which you just get to say "screw it" and mow someone down.
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.... There is a reason they are the only octagonal signs ....
Someone needs to tell that to the GSA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.884849,-77.023894,3a,37.5y,356.91h,86.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svu-NLiXmJ8wn5NzeFtvQCA!2e0
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I suspect you are in the minority. You know what most people do when they see a sign that is not in FHWA Highway Gothic font?
They stop.
This is the same people that claimed it's illegal to drive westbound along a road striped for travel in both directions because the city has not repealed an ordinance making the street one-way eastbound.
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.... There is a reason they are the only octagonal signs ....
Someone needs to tell that to the GSA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.884849,-77.023894,3a,37.5y,356.91h,86.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svu-NLiXmJ8wn5NzeFtvQCA!2e0
and WisDOT. They put a octagonal DO NOT ENTER sign on the reverse side of the STOP sign in order to keep the shape for those facing the stop sign.
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I think what I was remembering was this:
Section 1A.11 Relation to Other Publications
Standard:
01 To the extent that they are incorporated by specific reference, the latest editions of the following publications, or those editions specifically noted, shall be a part of this Manual: "Standard Highway Signs and Markings" book (FHWA); and "Color Specifications for Retroreflective Sign and Pavement Marking Materials" (appendix to subpart F of Part 655 of Title 23 of the Code of Federal Regulations).
Support:
02 The "Standard Highway Signs and Markings" book includes standard alphabets and symbols and arrows for signs and pavement markings.
I found this passage by searching for the phrase "standard alphabets". So, indirectly, if Standard Highway Signs and Markings says to use a specific font (which it does for every sign, right?) then the MUTCD says to use that font. What's less clear is how forceful that font specification is. Though I'm having trouble locating corroborating verbiage, my hunch is it's on comparable ground with symbols and arrows, and therefore shall be "unmistakably similar to, or mirror images of" the Standard Alphabets as specified in SHS, per spooky's quote from chapter 2A. I'll edit my previous post to indicate my belief at that time was not literally true.
.... There is a reason they are the only octagonal signs ....
Someone needs to tell that to the GSA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.884849,-77.023894,3a,37.5y,356.91h,86.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1svu-NLiXmJ8wn5NzeFtvQCA!2e0
and WisDOT. They put a octagonal DO NOT ENTER sign on the reverse side of the STOP sign in order to keep the shape for those facing the stop sign.
Wouldn't a round DO NOT ENTER sign fit nicely behind an octagonal STOP sign?
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I suspect you are in the minority. You know what most people do when they see a sign that is not in FHWA Highway Gothic font?
They stop.
I am still gonna stop yeah, I am not stupid. But I think the standardization of the sign keeps the driver from having the split second distraction of "that stop sign looks a little off" or "the octagon is a bit narrow". I think the point is to eliminate any distraction that can arise, even if it is a tenth of a second, because we are trying to control an intersection. I know it may sound very petty, and it isn't like someone is going to run the stop sign if the font is wrong, but when there is something a bit different about the road, it will distract you. After all, this forum would have half the posts it did if it wasn't for inconsistencies, so obviously they can distract a driver.
I think when I put down my original link it was because the stop sign was odd looking, regardless of how you stretch the rules to make it legal. It was odd, just like when you see a trailblazer shield and the "TO" is in Arial font. It is odd.
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So when driving on the 75 mph Kansas Turnpike, if a pedestrian wanders into the road, legally everyone has to stop for him? I don't think so. That's why these blanket statements are almost always wrong.
Sounds like murder if you don't stop for them. I mean, yeah, their fucking insane, but that doesn't give you the right to just plow over them.
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I think when I put down my original link it was because the stop sign was odd looking, regardless of how you stretch the rules to make it legal. It was odd, just like when you see a trailblazer shield and the "TO" is in Arial font. It is odd.
In retrospect, had you just simply stated odd or unusual font as opposed to "non-MUTCD STOP sign" (which is a tad misleading IMHO); this thread would be about 10 to 15 replies shorter. :)
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I think when I put down my original link it was because the stop sign was odd looking, regardless of how you stretch the rules to make it legal. It was odd, just like when you see a trailblazer shield and the "TO" is in Arial font. It is odd.
In retrospect, had you just simply stated odd or unusual font as opposed to "non-MUTCD STOP sign" (which is a tad misleading IMHO); this thread would be about 10 to 15 replies shorter. :)
Agreed, but I thought that was implied by the subject title.
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So when driving on the 75 mph Kansas Turnpike, if a pedestrian wanders into the road, legally everyone has to stop for him? I don't think so. That's why these blanket statements are almost always wrong.
Sounds like murder if you don't stop for them. I mean, yeah, their fucking insane, but that doesn't give you the right to just plow over them.
Almost certainly not murder. Possibly manslaughter, especially if you also don't stop after the fact and it becomes a hit and run. But generally if the motorist does everything else correctly, it's understood that you can't always stop on a dime, and frequently they're not even cited.
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So when driving on the 75 mph Kansas Turnpike, if a pedestrian wanders into the road, legally everyone has to stop for him? I don't think so. That's why these blanket statements are almost always wrong.
Sounds like murder if you don't stop for them. I mean, yeah, their fucking insane, but that doesn't give you the right to just plow over them.
Almost certainly not murder. Possibly manslaughter, especially if you also don't stop after the fact and it becomes a hit and run. But generally if the motorist does everything else correctly, it's understood that you can't always stop on a dime, and frequently they're not even cited.
Good point. Forgot about "manslaughter" as an alternative to murder.
My point was, if you are driving along a road, and you see someone standing in it, you cannot knowingly run over them.
If you turn a corner, and someone is just standing there without cause, and you can prove that you could not see them, then that's okay. But if you can see them plain as day, you need to stop.
I am drawing a line between someone darting out into traffic and someone standing in a lane of travel for a significant period of time, long enough to be noticed by even the least attentive motorist.
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Right. A pedestrian disobeying the law does allow a driver permission to not avoid hitting him. New Jersey's law, above, clearly states in 39:4-36(5) that none of the other laws shall be interpreted to mean that's ever OK. No, that doesn't mean the pedestrian is always right. What it does mean is that the driver has to yield to the pedestrian no matter who was right or wrong when that kind of situation presents itself. The same section also gives pedestrians the responsibility to watch out for drivers who fail to obey their regulations and laws, but with slightly different wording due to the fact that pedestrians are the ones more at risk of injury when bumper meets flesh. "Right of way" is not generally a term used in American traffic law; that is, laws are not generally worded to say that it's OK for you to go while everyone else must yield to you. Rather, they are generally always restrictive; that is, they are worded to say when each person must give way to others. "Taking the right of way" sounds good but is not generally a legally protected action, should anything bad happen.
This is actually a hard thing to teach children, in my experience. I am one who is not afraid to "take the right of way" when crossing the street as a pedestrian. I've had years of experience doing so, and I know the laws well. If I know that a coming vehicle is obligated to yield to me as I legally cross the street in a crosswalk, then I'm usually not going to bother waiting. But I am keenly aware, out of the corner of my eye, of the vehicle's movement, and I'm ready to avoid being hit if that vehicle doesn't yield. So how do I teach that to my sons? to be bold and not intimidated when traveling on foot, but also to be scared of being hit at the same time.
I know, when I was a child, it irked me that my parents would wait a few extra seconds at a four-way stop to make sure cross traffic was actually stopping. My argument was that, if the other car hit ours, then it would be the other driver's fault. My mom's reply was that that didn't wouldn't matter because the car would be damaged, no matter whose fault it was (not to mention bodily harm, which she didn't). That just didn't make sense to my young mind.
Back on the actual topic of "Yield to pedestrians" versus "Stop for pedestrians" signs, my initial reaction is that Stop is overkill. But, upon reflection, I think it's a good idea for two reasons: (1) We Americans tend to blow through Yield signs too quickly, interpreting them to mean "this stretch of road isn't busy enough for a Stop sign, so there's probably nobody to give way to, so why bother slowing down very much"; especially where there a lot of pedestrians crossing the street, drivers could benefit from the more forceful language. (2) The next step up from signs is usually a dedicated crosswalk stoplight, and those always seem to stay red for-freaking-ever before turning green again. I'm in favor of exploring signage options before installing one of those.
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Almost certainly not murder. Possibly manslaughter, especially if you also don't stop after the fact and it becomes a hit and run. But generally if the motorist does everything else correctly, it's understood that you can't always stop on a dime, and frequently they're not even cited.
Good point. Forgot about "manslaughter" as an alternative to murder.
Actually the main difference between murder and manslaughter is that the latter is not a malicious act (aka absence of malice).
My point was, if you are driving along a road, and you see someone standing in it, you cannot knowingly run over them.
If you turn a corner, and someone is just standing there without cause, and you can prove that you could not see them, then that's okay. But if you can see them plain as day, you need to stop.
I am drawing a line between someone darting out into traffic and someone standing in a lane of travel for a significant period of time, long enough to be noticed by even the least attentive motorist.
It is my understanding that most if not all expressways/freeways in the U.S. prohibit pedestrians from using them. Most of not all accidents involving pedestrians getting struck (and possibly killed) on freeways usually involves either:
1. The pedestrian intentionally placing themselves in harm's way, be it a dare or a suicide (attempt).
2. A stranded motorist getting out of their car and crossing the expressway for some reason (example: while changing a tire, the spare accidentally rolls out towards traffic and the motorist tries to retrieve it by crossing the road).
3. An errant vehicle swerving into the shoulder striking a pedestrian; be it stranded motorist that's either standing or walking towards the back of their vehicle for something, or a state trooper that happens to be on the scene. The latter is one reason why many police officers now approach a stopped vehicle from the passenger's side during traffic stops. There have been cases where cops have been struck by a passing vehicle (be it an expressway or a conventional street) while making a traffic stop.
Long story short, the so-called pedestrian always having the right-of-way - no matter what; I don't believe, fully applies in an expressway/freeway scenario. Case in point; the demonstrators along two-sections of I-93 near Boston that took place earlier this year did not have the right-of-way to stop/disrupt traffic along that highway.
Back on the actual topic of "Yield to pedestrians" versus "Stop for pedestrians" signs, my initial reaction is that Stop is overkill. But, upon reflection, I think it's a good idea for two reasons: (1) We Americans tend to blow through Yield signs too quickly, interpreting them to mean "this stretch of road isn't busy enough for a Stop sign, so there's probably nobody to give way to, so why bother slowing down very much"; especially where there a lot of pedestrians crossing the street, drivers could benefit from the more forceful language. (2) The next step up from signs is usually a dedicated crosswalk stoplight, and those always seem to stay red for-freaking-ever before turning green again. I'm in favor of exploring signage options before installing one of those.
Where I reside, I've usually seen Stop for Pedestrians signs at crossings where the roadway traffic is not making any turns. The Yield to Pedestrian signs are usually posted where turning vehicles will encounter a pedestrian crossing area or crosswalk.
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Back on the actual topic of "Yield to pedestrians" versus "Stop for pedestrians" signs, my initial reaction is that Stop is overkill. But, upon reflection, I think it's a good idea for two reasons: (1) We Americans tend to blow through Yield signs too quickly, interpreting them to mean "this stretch of road isn't busy enough for a Stop sign, so there's probably nobody to give way to, so why bother slowing down very much"; especially where there a lot of pedestrians crossing the street, drivers could benefit from the more forceful language. (2) The next step up from signs is usually a dedicated crosswalk stoplight, and those always seem to stay red for-freaking-ever before turning green again. I'm in favor of exploring signage options before installing one of those.
Where I reside, I've usually seen Stop for Pedestrains signs at crossings where the roadway traffic is not making any turns. The Yield to Pedestrain signs are usually posted where turning vehicles will encounter a pedestrain crossing area or crosswalk.
I think I brought up "Yield to Pedestrians." In Virginia, that variant is the only one that's used at all—the state MUTCD supplement specifically provides that "Stop for Pedestrians" is not to be used here. I believe the reason is that the statute requires drivers to "yield" to pedestrians in certain circumstances and specifically allows a driver to change course or slow down, rather than stopping, if those alternatives are safe under the circumstances. The statute also refers to yielding to pedestrians "[a]t any intersection when the driver is approaching on a highway or street where the legal maximum speed does not exceed 35 miles per hour," which I find interesting because some of the bad pedestrian behavior is not limited to roads with speed limits that low.
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Long story short, the so-called pedestrian always having the right-of-way - no matter what; I don't believe, fully applies in an expressway/freeway scenario. Case in point; the demonstrators along two-sections of I-93 near Boston that took place earlier this year did not have the right-of-way to stop/disrupt traffic along that highway.
I concur. There are many places where pedestrians do not the right of way. I am not arguing against that. What I am trying to say is, you, just as equally, have no right to knowingly kill someone. Case in point; the drivers on I-93 stopped for the protesters because if they didn't, then they would have killed them (which is, of course, vehicular manslaughter).
Perhaps its just me, but the merits of right-of-way should only be discussed if said right-of-way isn't already occupied (minus situations whereby the right-of-way is very suddenly occupied and others do not have time to react to the sudden occupation).
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Having the right of way is not an American legal concept. There are scenarios in which the law requires pedestrians to yield to drivers. There are scenarios in which drivers must yield to pedestrians. Sometimes those two overlap. But traffic laws don't say "You have the right to go ahead." Even laws about green lights include the word "caution" and waiting for traffic to clear before proceeding.
And so a freeway's prohibiting pedestrian traffic may seem like it allows a driver to not yield to errant pedestrians, but such rights are not granted to drivers by law, regardless of the type of road they are on.
I've only ever seen a Yield to Pedestrians sign, never a Stop for Pedestrians sign, by the way.
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Case in point; the drivers on I-93 stopped for the protesters because if they didn't, then they would have killed them (which is, of course, vehicular manslaughter).
I'm sure of them thought of doing such... especially after they knew who the protesters were (mostly rich spoiled brats).
All joking aside, when someone's killed by getting struck by a vehicle; the charge is known as vehicular homicide.
I've only ever seen a Yield to Pedestrians sign, never a Stop for Pedestrians sign, by the way.
I've seen examples of R1-6a signs (scroll down) (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2/part2b.pdf) situated inside the double-yellow stripes along Swarthmore Ave. in Swarthmore, PA near the railroad crossing (GSV for this area predates the installation of such signs). So such signs are indeed out there and in use.
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I suspect you are in the minority. You know what most people do when they see a sign that is not in FHWA Highway Gothic font?
They stop.
This is the same people that claimed it's illegal to drive westbound along a road striped for travel in both directions because the city has not repealed an ordinance making the street one-way eastbound.
I heart you.
BTW, it was not the same people. My statement regarding this was there isn't any specific font that shall be used; not "since it's not the right font, you can ignore it".
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And yes, if you're driving on the Turnpike at 75 mph and someone wanders out into the highway, you are legally obligated to avoid hitting him. If that means coming to a full stop (not sure how it would require that, but I'll bite), then so be it. There does not exist a point at which you just get to say "screw it" and mow someone down.
Due to the rate of speed on a highway, if someone is standing in a lane, you do what you can to avoid hitting them. However, I would argue stopping is not prudent depending on the circumstance. What if you have a tractor trailer behind you, which takes longer to stop? If you stopped and tractor trailer runs into you, he'll potentially push you into pedestrian anyway, and tractor trailer is probably going to jackknife into another lane, causing more mayhem. Should the tractor trailer have left more room? Yes. Have you always followed the absolute letter of the law yourself? No.
You will have a very tough time finding a news story when someone was charged for hitting a pedestrian in a travel lane of a high-speed highway. As long as the driver wasn't under the influence and wasn't distracted, it's almost always going to be found to the pedestrians' fault, and many times chalked up to a suicide or something wrong with the pedestrian. Go ahead...try to find a news story where the driver was charged for hitting a pedestrian in the travel lanes of a highway. You'll find a ton of "Police are investigating" stories. If it's determined the driver was at fault, quite often you'll find a news story stating why. When the pedestrian is found at fault, rarely will you see a followup story.
Sounds like murder if you don't stop for them. I mean, yeah, their fucking insane, but that doesn't give you the right to just plow over them.
In the land of making up stuff, Never did I say plow them over. But as mentioned above, a 75 mph highway is a very different field than a 25 mph roadway. It's common sense to expect pedestrians on local roads. The rarity of pedestrians on an interstate highway leads to the assumption that even if you think you see someone standing on the highway ahead, by the time you even have a chance to react to it, you'll be right on top of them.
Case in point; the drivers on I-93 stopped for the protesters because if they didn't, then they would have killed them (which is, of course, vehicular manslaughter).
I'm pretty sure traffic was already congested, and these people simply walked out into that line of traffic. (If they didn't stop for them intentionally, it's vehicular manslaughter. If a protestor suddenly ran in front of traffic and got it, it's not vehicular manslaughter)
But even this is a totally different situation. Pedestrians have the right to cross the roadway. These protestors were arrested because they didn't belong on the roadway, blocking traffic. And in one high-profile story, one protestor was fired from their government job. I'll bet that if any of the others were employed, and their boss found out they were out there...especially if said boss was stuck in the ensuing traffic, they were probably fired as well. Again, clear distinction: Pedestrians obeying the law have the legal right to the roadway. Pedestrians jaywalking shouldn't be run into if at all possible, but are subject to a ticket...and in extreme cases, arrest.
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BTW, it was not the same people.
It wasn't the two of you?
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Having the right of way is not an American legal concept. There are scenarios in which the law requires pedestrians to yield to drivers. There are scenarios in which drivers must yield to pedestrians. Sometimes those two overlap. But traffic laws don't say "You have the right to go ahead." Even laws about green lights include the word "caution" and waiting for traffic to clear before proceeding.
And so a freeway's prohibiting pedestrian traffic may seem like it allows a driver to not yield to errant pedestrians, but such rights are not granted to drivers by law, regardless of the type of road they are on.
I've only ever seen a Yield to Pedestrians sign, never a Stop for Pedestrians sign, by the way.
Come to Ann Arbor. You will see them everywhere. Pedestrians are special there. The text-messaging generation has the right-of-way at all times. They are not required to look before stepping out into the street. Drivers, on the other hand, must STOP mid-block on the busiest 45-mph roadways if a pedestrian even LOOKS like he/she might be THINKING about crossing the street sometime in the next week to ten days.
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Having the right of way is not an American legal concept. There are scenarios in which the law requires pedestrians to yield to drivers. There are scenarios in which drivers must yield to pedestrians. Sometimes those two overlap. But traffic laws don't say "You have the right to go ahead." Even laws about green lights include the word "caution" and waiting for traffic to clear before proceeding.
And so a freeway's prohibiting pedestrian traffic may seem like it allows a driver to not yield to errant pedestrians, but such rights are not granted to drivers by law, regardless of the type of road they are on.
I've only ever seen a Yield to Pedestrians sign, never a Stop for Pedestrians sign, by the way.
Come to Ann Arbor. You will see them everywhere. Pedestrians are special there. The text-messaging generation has the right-of-way at all times. They are not required to look before stepping out into the street. Drivers, on the other hand, must STOP mid-block on the busiest 45-mph roadways if a pedestrian even LOOKS like he/she might be THINKING about crossing the street sometime in the next week to ten days.
I got a ticket once in New Hampshire for failing to yield to a pedestrian who was crossing a 4 lane road when I was in the far right lane and thus in no danger of remotely coming close to him. The officer told me that I am to stop the minute that the pedestrian gets onto the roadway, no matter where I happen to be.
I should've challenged that ticket.
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Having the right of way is not an American legal concept. There are scenarios in which the law requires pedestrians to yield to drivers. There are scenarios in which drivers must yield to pedestrians. Sometimes those two overlap. But traffic laws don't say "You have the right to go ahead." Even laws about green lights include the word "caution" and waiting for traffic to clear before proceeding.
And so a freeway's prohibiting pedestrian traffic may seem like it allows a driver to not yield to errant pedestrians, but such rights are not granted to drivers by law, regardless of the type of road they are on.
I've only ever seen a Yield to Pedestrians sign, never a Stop for Pedestrians sign, by the way.
Come to Ann Arbor. You will see them everywhere. Pedestrians are special there. The text-messaging generation has the right-of-way at all times. They are not required to look before stepping out into the street. Drivers, on the other hand, must STOP mid-block on the busiest 45-mph roadways if a pedestrian even LOOKS like he/she might be THINKING about crossing the street sometime in the next week to ten days.
It comes down to the wording of the law. Many states have 'Yield to Pedestrians'. Some states have 'Stop for Pedestrians'. Personally, the differences between the two are pretty vague. If you see someone walking in a crosswalk, you wait for them to cross.
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If you see someone walking in a crosswalk, you wait for them to cross.
Goes both ways. Would be nice for pedestrians to pay attention to the crosswalk signals - even nicer if they would follow them.
It's a team sport, not an individual competition.
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It's a team sport, not an individual competition.
I think I agree, the only problem being that one team is full of big players who are powerful and fast, and the other team is weak and slow.
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It's a team sport, not an individual competition.
I think I agree, the only problem being that one team is full of big players who are powerful and fast, and the other team is weak and slow.
In other words, just like high school. ;)
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If you see someone walking in a crosswalk, you wait for them to cross.
Goes both ways. Would be nice for pedestrians to pay attention to the crosswalk signals - even nicer if they would follow them.
It's a team sport, not an individual competition.
Sigh...
Going back to the context of my response, which was more than that one line, in a mid-block or other location where one could normally expect to see a Yield To/Stop For Pedestrian sign, one should wait for the Ped.
Yes, both should pay attention. Very annoying when the Ped crosses on a don't walk signal, then gets in a car and fails to yield to other pedestrians.
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Agreed. Didn't mean to go out of text or generate confusion.
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Not a real sign, but I found this in a local school. I have to wonder how a 3DI for I-π would signed. Maybe I-(x00+π), where x was a number between 1 and 9?
Also, what font does it use?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/11043250_1803644363194417_6712138769287635251_o.jpg)
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Beltways can just be signed as "dπ"
Mapmikey
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I'm of the opinion that one should be able to blow on through as long as they would not conflict with the pedestrian legally crossing the street (in a crosswalk and not against a don't walk signal). If the conflict does exist, one should only need to take the minimal action (slowing down, changing lanes, stopping, etc.) necessary to avert the conflict.
I was in Baltimore today, and there are seriously those who walk into traffic willy nilly as if cars don't exist. I would expect that, by and large, THESE are the pedestrians that tend to get hit. Why anyone has sympathy for them is beyond me. If they want to win a Darwin Award, so be it, but don't make my life inconvenient just to accommodate their arrogance and stupidity.
It offends me when people carry out their lives with no regard for how their actions affect others. I strive to make it so that my actions in life don't so much as inconvenience another person (well, another person who isn't a a-hole, at least). I'm not perfect (and I do feel guilty when I don't meet my high standards that I set for both myself and the rest of humanity), but that's what I strive for. Unfortunately, it seems I'm the only one with that goal. If we were all more respectful of how we affect others, not only would traffic congestion be a thing of the past, but the world would be a better place.
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If you feel you have a chance to cross when it's not your turn and there's no traffic I can deal with that...except that I expect you to hustle your way across the street. I've had the experience of having to slow down for a guy crossing on a red who was taking his sweet time in doing so, and he certainly appeared capable of picking up the speed but simply chose not to.
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Not a real sign, but I found this in a local school. I have to wonder how a 3DI for I-π would signed. Maybe I-(x00+π), where x was a number between 1 and 9?
Also, what font does it use?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/11043250_1803644363194417_6712138769287635251_o.jpg)
That font, my friend is Arial. Notice the capital R when comparing with Helvetica is "spread out" compared to the Helvetica R.
And, because it's pi day:
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b551/slik_sh00ter/Math%20Territory_zpsf4sdfhq4.png)
Used Series E with EM spacing for this one.
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Not a real sign, but I found this in a local school. I have to wonder how a 3DI for I-π would signed. Maybe I-(x00+π), where x was a number between 1 and 9?
Also, what font does it use?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/11043250_1803644363194417_6712138769287635251_o.jpg)
The latin-alphabet letters are Arial. The letter π could be from any number of fonts, but my hunch is it's some easy-to-type letter in the font Symbol.
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Couldn't resist (inspired by SignGeek101's sign, but my own twist):
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag88/Zeffyboy/Signs/HappyPiDay_zps1ra9onfs.png)
It's fairly obvious, but if you read it from top to bottom, left to right, you'll get... yeah, you guessed it. Pity there's nowhere in the actual United States where these three routes meet.
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If we were all more respectful of how we affect others, not only would traffic congestion be a thing of the past, but the world would be a better place.
You're right about this. Global warming's effects on civilization and its future would lead enough people to stop driving that we wouldn't have any congestion.
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One way or another, eventually people will stop driving cars and there will be no traffic. Eventually.
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The latin-alphabet letters are Arial. The letter π could be from any number of fonts, but my hunch is it's some easy-to-type letter in the font Symbol.
I'm going to assume you meant the Greek letter "pi" (in the interstate shield)...
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The latin-alphabet letters are Arial. The letter π could be from any number of fonts, but my hunch is it's some easy-to-type letter in the font Symbol.
I'm going to assume you meant the Greek letter "pi" (in the interstate shield)...
Is there any other letter π on the sign?
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The latin-alphabet letters are Arial. The letter π could be from any number of fonts, but my hunch is it's some easy-to-type letter in the font Symbol.
I'm going to assume you meant the Greek letter "pi" (in the interstate shield)...
Is there any other letter π on the sign?
I would appear that internet fonts don't support the more detailed form of pi.
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One way or another, eventually people will stop driving cars and there will be no traffic. Eventually.
Pardon me while I laugh my ass off. Traffic was here before the automobile, and it will be here even if the automobile were to go away. Ever see pictures of New York or London in the 19th century? It's just as crowded as today.
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If we were all more respectful of how we affect others, not only would traffic congestion be a thing of the past, but the world would be a better place.
You're right about this. Global warming's effects on civilization and its future would lead enough people to stop driving that we wouldn't have any congestion.
Ever hear of solar power? Or all electric cars? Technology is improving, and I expect that a combination of solar, wind, and better batteries could easily eliminate our use of fossil fuels within a couple decades, if only we would put our research money into that instead of finding ever more difficult places to get oil. I hate it when environmentalists refuse to acknowledge it. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.
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If we switched to all clean power, electric cars would be a reasonable way to go for some trips. But (a) a simple switch to electric cars without changing the method of electricity generation just shifts the pollution source and (b) fuel isn't the only environmental impact of driving.
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The latin-alphabet letters are Arial. The letter π could be from any number of fonts, but my hunch is it's some easy-to-type letter in the font Symbol.
I'm going to assume you meant the Greek letter "pi" (in the interstate shield)...
Is there any other letter π on the sign?
I would appear that internet fonts don't support the more detailed form of pi.
When I posted originally, i was using Chrome on my iPad, and it definitely looked like the letter "n" was used.
Posting now from Firefox on a Windows desktop, it is obvious that a "pi" was typed. My apologies.
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This is one way to post an arrow pointing to the right:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7614/16827526725_cf323e2c69.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rCZtr8)To I-565 (https://flic.kr/p/rCZtr8) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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It would appear that internet fonts don't support the more detailed form of pi.
It's a matter of typography. In most sans-serif fonts, a lowercase pi is fairly simple and looks like a boxy lowercase en, because that's typical of sans-serif Greek text. The mathematical symbol, like almost everything else in math, is traditionally printed in a serif font.
One way or another, eventually people will stop driving cars and there will be no traffic. Eventually.
Pardon me while I laugh my ass off. Traffic was here before the automobile, and it will be here even if the automobile were to go away. Ever see pictures of New York or London in the 19th century? It's just as crowded as today.
Eventually. You're not thinking far enough ahead. (Ever see pictures of New York from 100,000 BC?)
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I have it on good word that this is a picture of New York in 65 million BC:
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/naturelibrary/images/ic/credit/640x395/s/sa/saurischia/saurischia_1.jpg)
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It would appear that internet fonts don't support the more detailed form of pi.
It's a matter of typography. In most sans-serif fonts, a lowercase pi is fairly simple and looks like a boxy lowercase en, because that's typical of sans-serif Greek text. The mathematical symbol, like almost everything else in math, is traditionally printed in a serif font.
(http://i.imgur.com/0gONc.gif)
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Obviously a greenout problem where indicated. Sure looks weird when you encounter it on the road.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Road%20sign%20pictures/Weird%20greenout%20Springfield_zps1vzr3jy9.png)
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Evidently, this used to be a CR 642 sign before Mercer County decided to stick new numbers over it.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.214989,-74.622287,3a,15y,11.57h,99.3t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seN5Bzl91KhTfOk2PBBSFcw!2e0
It's also a white-on-blue county route shield, something that Somerset County does more often than the other New Jersey counties.
Also, there's a sign at the intersection on US 130 that uses Trenton as a control city for CR 526 west. I'm assuming that was because it dumps onto NJ 33 anyway? Still, you could've just turned at the intersection for 33 west which was literally the previous intersection before the CR 526 one. Kind of odd.
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Yes, the shield says CR 12, in New Jersey. Found on NJ 67.
(http://nysroads.com/images/gallery/NJ/nj67/101_1570-s.JPG)
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^ Bergen County, along with Monmouth County, does not use the standard 5xx and 6xx/7xx county numbering system that the rest of the state does. No idea why.
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Yes, the shield says CR 12, in New Jersey. Found on NJ 67.
(http://nysroads.com/images/gallery/NJ/nj67/101_1570-s.JPG)
Off topic, but the signal setup seems odd. Why would there be an optically-protected left turn signal on what appears to be a one-way street?
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Yes, the shield says CR 12, in New Jersey. Found on NJ 67.
(http://nysroads.com/images/gallery/NJ/nj67/101_1570-s.JPG)
Off topic, but the signal setup seems odd. Why would there be an optically-protected left turn signal on what appears to be a one-way street?
I'm thinking it has to do with a concurrent pedestrian crossing.
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Yes, the shield says CR 12, in New Jersey. Found on NJ 67.
(http://nysroads.com/images/gallery/NJ/nj67/101_1570-s.JPG)
Off topic, but the signal setup seems odd. Why would there be an optically-protected left turn signal on what appears to be a one-way street?
I'm thinking it has to do with a concurrent pedestrian crossing.
It appears they went with optically protected heads here rather than arrows. Just an old-style setup more than anything most likely. A larger view of the intersection is here: http://goo.gl/maps/5cdvr
Different subject matter: On a nearby intersection, recently installed inverted T signals are shown on GSV(http://goo.gl/maps/aQmOS):
R
Y
G<- G
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^^ That makes sense now with the closely-spaced intersection to oncoming traffic.
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http://goo.gl/maps/T4rbc
If you can't read it, the sign says "Right turn on red" and on the sign below it "After dead stop".
Never seen anything like this before.
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http://goo.gl/maps/T4rbc
If you can't read it, the sign says "Right turn on red" and on the sign below it "After dead stop".
Never seen anything like this before.
Conceptually, such isn't as unusual as one would think. Even in areas where ROR is legal, similar-type signage (http://goo.gl/maps/bN7gF) has been posted in areas where the emphasis on stopping first prior to proceeding is needed.
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Surviving 70s-era BGS with small button-copy I-shields containing Series D numerals (http://goo.gl/maps/l2Jzk) (most button-copy 2dI-shields are typically in Series E).
90s-era BGS with similar small button-copy I-shields containing similar Series D numerals (http://goo.gl/maps/c7PWT) Not sure whether or not this one was recently replaced as part of the I-95 resigning project that took place some time back.
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My friend showed this to me. Supposedly it's in Kansas City, Missouri, but I haven't been able to locate it.
(http://i.imgur.com/PWIvfqq.jpg)
Also, that is one ugly uni-sign for the NO PARKING and the 2 HOUR PARKING sign. The border isn't even cut right. Sloppy job.
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Regarding the bottom side: I'm really curious what they were thinking.
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Marlborough, Massachusetts:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.34718,-71.545782,3a,15y,314.27h,84.71t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1skphBdQlhtb3WxHIs4Dn0zQ!2e0
Definitely a county route pentagon, but not used like you would think it would be...
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Spotted this on the UNA campus today:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16724337227_be9255fa44.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR)Handi-capped Crossing (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8738/16743988718_37d974a64f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rvBjuE)Handi-capped Crossing (https://flic.kr/p/rvBjuE) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Never seen the word "red" written in red on one of these signs before:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7625/16930408622_8649b86c21.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rN5LCW)No Turn On Red (https://flic.kr/p/rN5LCW) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
This one's somewhat interesting to me:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8684/16745460699_9fc756f06c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rvJS4D)Interesting Sign (https://flic.kr/p/rvJS4D) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Spotted this on the UNA campus today:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16724337227_be9255fa44.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR)Handi-capped Crossing (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Doesn't look like there's a ramp there. How many wheelchairs go over that curb each day?
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Spotted this on the UNA campus today:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16724337227_be9255fa44.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR)Handi-capped Crossing (https://flic.kr/p/rtSAMR) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
Doesn't look like there's a ramp there. How many wheelchairs go over that curb each day?
Could be a warning of a crossing further downstream of the sign
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Washington Court House, OH, last spotted in 2008:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/11940407476_d65bb18f42.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jc8H9q)028CongestedAreaColsWillardWashCH_1108 (https://flic.kr/p/jc8H9q) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
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Washington Court House, OH, last spotted in 2008:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/11940407476_d65bb18f42.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jc8H9q)028CongestedAreaColsWillardWashCH_1108 (https://flic.kr/p/jc8H9q) by Ryan busman_49 (https://www.flickr.com/people/23731450@N05/), on Flickr
"Congested Area" warnings can be found on some interstates as well, especially in areas where congestion in an otherwise rural area that may have a significant amount of out-of-state drivers just travelling thru.
Personally, this should be on all "Welcome to New Jersey" signs...not the 1950's postcard! :-D
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"Congested Area" warnings can be found on some interstates as well, especially in areas where congestion in an otherwise rural area that may have a significant amount of out-of-state drivers just travelling thru.
Personally, this should be on all "Welcome to New Jersey" signs...not the 1950's postcard! :-D
Hey, now, the only places where the entrance to NJ leads to a congested area are coming from even more congested areas
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OK.....I realize this is a bike path and not a road.
But watch the video. I rate this as one of the most unique signs of which I'm aware and I pity the people who have to deal with this shit (literally).
http://link.fox8.com/1BABXI7
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These BGSes have some small shields:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8693/16763719668_16b7911997.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rxmrPs)US 31/US 72 Alt./AL 20 (https://flic.kr/p/rxmrPs) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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How about this sign warning area motorists on US 1 & 9 in Elizabeth of the Pulaski Skyway closing.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.673888,-74.199786,3a,75y,37.62h,81.64t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1ssGbR4ZS86EfBAKqDt7VBsQ!2e0
I find the shield on this sign to be as interesting as the latest 1&9 thing.
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Here's an interesting one that went up here in Huntsville, AL recently:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8723/16796945348_1b2b466399.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rAhJE1)Odd U-turn Arrow on a Logo Sign (https://flic.kr/p/rAhJE1) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7631/16364581353_ca5a60bc03.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qW5KUn)Odd U-turn Arrow on a Logo Sign (https://flic.kr/p/qW5KUn) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7587/16958725016_de29314393.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rQzU7C)Odd U-turn Arrow on a Logo Sign (https://flic.kr/p/rQzU7C) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7637/16777288707_51a4ba3b1c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ryxZqp)Odd U-turn Arrow on a Logo Sign (https://flic.kr/p/ryxZqp) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
The reason I'm posting it here is because I'm not sure if it actually qualifies for "worst of", but it's certainly close.
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Here's an interesting one that went up here in Huntsville, AL recently:
The reason I'm posting it here is because I'm not sure if it actually qualifies for "worst of", but it's certainly close.
Looks like a first grader cut out that arrow -- no, pre-schooler.
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Here's an interesting one that went up here in Huntsville, AL recently:
The reason I'm posting it here is because I'm not sure if it actually qualifies for "worst of", but it's certainly close.
Looks like a first grader cut out that arrow -- no, pre-schooler.
...with left-handed safety scissors!! :bigass:
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^^ Also unusual there's no border on that U-turn sign.
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^^ Also unusual there's no border on that U-turn sign.
Kid was running with scissors and had them taken away.
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So, would it qualify as "worst of" or?
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So, would it qualify as "worst of" or?
It certainly qualifies for the bad and the ugly.
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https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.366919,-92.035479,3a,15y,297.33h,89.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9U3J6Hw3NJN0v9Ro1eJ3eA!2e0
Interesting because you are already in Minnesota, and they choose to use Minnesota as a destination. Also, what's that symbol / shield / insignia under both of the legends?
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https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.366919,-92.035479,3a,15y,297.33h,89.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9U3J6Hw3NJN0v9Ro1eJ3eA!2e0
Interesting because you are already in Minnesota, and they choose to use Minnesota as a destination. Also, what's that symbol / shield / insignia under both of the legends?
That's the Great River Road shield posted along routes following along the Mississippi River. My guess is that you are approaching the Great River Road route, and can either follow it into Wisconsin or follow it as it enters Minnesota.
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Great River Road.
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State named Interstate shield for I 490 in Rochester, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.173935,-77.732371,3a,15y,193.27h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_g8AhX4J91jQ8WPPnlz9bA!2e0!6m1!1e1?hl=en
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I finally got a photo of one of the two neutered stand-alone I-565 shields on I-565 back during Spring Break:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7665/16419554604_22f7b12d3c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r1Wvx3)Neutered I-565 Sheild (https://flic.kr/p/r1Wvx3) by freebrickproductions (https://www.flickr.com/people/96431468@N06/), on Flickr
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Not erroneous, not bad bad, but just very poorly laid out (IL-47, Yorkville, IL):
(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_5310_zpsoxfpecuf.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_5310_zpsoxfpecuf.jpg.html)
For clarification, it's "Silver Springs State Park" and the "Hoover Center" (owned by the Kendall County Forest Preserve District).
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(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8658/16608924392_eabfa5b086_b.jpg)
Not my pic. Monotype Corsiva, really? It's not North American, but still, I rather see Helvetica.
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I have joked about that font actually being on a sign before, but I guess anything is possible when you go outside the USA.
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I'm putting these here because I have no idea what it's trying to convey. I-75/I-96 in Detroit:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@42.315852,-83.085049,3a,17.6y,78.68h,92.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFXenJSkeGFwv0-Hh0iLFjg!2e0
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Odd of MDOT to make a sign that poor, I assume its trying to say this ramp is the last USA one? I don't really know. :confused:
EDIT: Actually if you look at what exit it is it means This ramp is exiting or leaving the USA. It is poorly worded, but if you see the whole picture it makes more sense.
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Odd of MDOT to make a sign that poor, I assume its trying to say this ramp is the last USA one? I don't really know. :confused:
EDIT: Actually if you look at what exit it is it means This ramp is exiting or leaving the USA. It is poorly worded, but if you see the whole picture it makes more sense.
I think it's the opposite. What part of "ramp must exit USA" is poorly worded? "No re-entry to USA" is however incorrect. Re-entry by its very nature requires one to leave first, so unless Canada arrests you or something, you can re-enter USA.
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Odd of MDOT to make a sign that poor, I assume its trying to say this ramp is the last USA one? I don't really know. :confused:
EDIT: Actually if you look at what exit it is it means This ramp is exiting or leaving the USA. It is poorly worded, but if you see the whole picture it makes more sense.
I think it's the opposite. What part of "ramp must exit USA" is poorly worded? "No re-entry to USA" is however incorrect. Re-entry by its very nature requires one to leave first, so unless Canada arrests you or something, you can re-enter USA.
Despite it being more incorrect, I think at first glance the sign "RAMP MUST EXIT USA" is more confusing.
I'd prefer "NO USA ACCESS THIS EXIT" or something like that.
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I think it's the opposite. What part of "ramp must exit USA" is poorly worded? "No re-entry to USA" is however incorrect. Re-entry by its very nature requires one to leave first, so unless Canada arrests you or something, you can re-enter USA.
The USA part being in larger text threw me off - now I see it's a continuous phrase.
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I would refer "Ramp to Canada only"
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How about "Border Crossing Ahead"?
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CANADA ONLY
Simple, factual, and unmistakeable.
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Am I the only person here who remembers when Class 3 Object Markers were both black and yellow, and black and white? I believe FDOT still painted up the pylons of bridges in the same colors as recently as the 2000's.
I wish I had a picture of one.
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I'm putting these here because I have no idea what it's trying to convey. I-75/I-96 in Detroit:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@42.315852,-83.085049,3a,17.6y,78.68h,92.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFXenJSkeGFwv0-Hh0iLFjg!2e0
That ramp goes directly to the Ambassador Bridge. There is absolutely NO place to turn around after you pass the gore point. You MUST go through customs in Canada, explain how you messed up, then turn around and go back to Detroit, and explain to the Border Patrol how you messed up. Plan on a delightful minimum of three hours. If you take that ramp without intending to go to Canada, you'll quickly learn exactly what that sign is trying to say.
Don't ask how I know about this, just understand that I do. :bigass:
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
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They look quite nice I think.
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They look quite nice I think.
I agree. Wouldn't mind it being in the MUTCD for Collector signs on Express / Collector freeways, instead of what they do now.
I'm sure I have commented on this before, but I've always liked the convention of using the blue signs over the collector lanes and the green signs over the express lanes (on the 401 in Toronto). I think it makes more sense than the MUTCD system of using the same color for all guide signs and then mandating extra banners on top of the signs to ensure the dumbest drivers out there understand that a sign over a different carriageway is directed at people on that carriageway.
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
Whoa! I wasn't aware of those. Those are definitely unique. I assume you found them messing around in GSV?
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
Whoa! I wasn't aware of those. Those are definitely unique. I assume you found them messing around in GSV?
Actually took it myself. I was going from West Houston to the Galleria, and Google Maps directed me to use it. Thankfully I had a tolltag in my rental.
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A "cutout" DO NOT ENTER sign in Jersey City:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@40.756285,-74.045263,3a,15y,162.9h,88.13t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sMDrRG3Jivsp5Ni_TzZtoZQ!2e0
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^ Just like in Europe. :-P
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I recalled reading that a STOP sign must "present" as eight-sided from the front. A square sign mounted behind one, facing the other direction would prevent that. A cutout would solve that issue, I guess ... :hmmm:
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
HCTRA applied for permission for them from FHWA in 2003. At that time I think the Westpark Tollway was either the very first or one of the first ETC-only toll roads in the US. IIRC, it was denied on the grounds that the purple should be narrowly tailored to electronic tolling messages, but HCTRA went ahead and put them up anyway.
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I recalled reading that a STOP sign must "present" as eight-sided from the front. A square sign mounted behind one, facing the other direction would prevent that. A cutout would solve that issue, I guess ... :hmmm:
Wisconsin uses an octagonal do not enter sign in that situation.
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I recalled reading that a STOP sign must "present" as eight-sided from the front. A square sign mounted behind one, facing the other direction would prevent that. A cutout would solve that issue, I guess ... :hmmm:
Wisconsin uses an octagonal do not enter sign in that situation.
Washington seems to just put the do not enter sign somewhere else.
Is there anything wrong with a cut-out do not enter sign? Is that prohibited somewhere?
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If you don't know whether a side street has a stop sign, you'll be more cautious if anything.
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Found this on Tumblr:
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/11f9f49918315d678081283b52e2f0bf/tumblr_nmoo42Kw6t1rpj3m6o1_1280.jpg)
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I recalled reading that a STOP sign must "present" as eight-sided from the front. A square sign mounted behind one, facing the other direction would prevent that. A cutout would solve that issue, I guess ... :hmmm:
Wisconsin uses an octagonal do not enter sign in that situation.
Washington seems to just put the do not enter sign somewhere else.
Is there anything wrong with a cut-out do not enter sign? Is that prohibited somewhere?
I don't think there is anything preventing using a cut-out sign for this purpose. It's not standard, but the relevant aspect of the sign still meets the standard regulatory design.
As of the 2009 MUTCD, it is prohibited to put another sign (such as the Do Not Enter) on the back of a stop sign, if that sign would obscure the shape of the stop sign from the opposite direction (so drivers passing from other sides of the intersection can interpret that there is a stop sign on that approach). The manual recommends reducing the size of the second sign or increasing the size of the stop sign to compensate. I would imagine using a cutout of a Do Not Enter meets with this intent.
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
Unique, yes. But still ugly. It looks like something you see from staring into the sun too long.
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
Unique, yes. But still ugly. It looks like something you see from staring into the sun too long.
Agreed. Prefer the green signs with a purple tab to denote toll roads.
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
Unique, yes. But still ugly. It looks like something you see from staring into the sun too long.
I was going to say it looks like the video cable has come partway loose from the computer.
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^I'm probably in the minority here, but opinions are like assholes. Personally, I like the purple signs for toll roads. However, I wonder how well they can can be read in bad weather or at night.
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I wonder how well they can can be read in bad weather or at night.
Why would a purple sign be less readable than a green sign?
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Different color combinations. Green is used for guide signs in the US because a study conducted in preparation for the interstate highway system where drivers drove around a test track found that green was the most readable, beating out blue and black.
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^I'm probably in the minority here, but opinions are like assholes. Personally, I like the purple signs for toll roads. However, I wonder how well they can can be read in bad weather or at night.
Purple is my favorite color, so you can imagine that I like these signs as well. You'd be correct.
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Why would a purple sign be less readable than a green sign?
Like Valerie pointed out, the color combinations involved. Here in the Northeast, purple is used to denote EZ Pass only lanes (interchanges too, for the PA Turnpike). From personal experience, at night or inclement weather, I can attest to the white on purple not being too easy to read. I know it's EZ Pass only, but it isn't easily readable from a distance.
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Google Street View isn't updated to show this yet, but approaching the junction with UT-265 (University Parkway) on northbound US-89... It's confusing. When you approach the road northbound, instead of SR-265, the JCT sign says US-265. As first when I saw this, I was like: THEY'RE TURNING UNIVERSITY INTO A US ROUTE?! But then I turned left, and the reassurance sign said SR-265.
:poke:
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Everyone knows about the purple guide signs along the Westpark Tollway in Houston, right? I haven't seen them discussed before. I think they're pretty unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3FciVr.jpg)
Unique, yes. But still ugly. It looks like something you see from staring into the sun too long.
I was going to say it looks like the video cable has come partway loose from the computer.
Walt Disney World Uses White on Purple for there signs?
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Hungry hungry tree:
(http://i.imgur.com/twCzCAi.jpg?1)
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Watch out for.......??? Hungry trees???
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Hungry hungry tree:
(http://i.imgur.com/twCzCAi.jpg?1)
How does that even happen? I know that sign is old, but still, it's just amazing to me. Nature I guess.. :clap:
Maybe in 50 -100 years when the tree dies, the old sign will remain :)
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Maybe in 50 -100 years when the tree dies, the old sign will remain :)
More likely someone will cut it down, begin carving it into firewood and receive a really nasty surprise.
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Maybe in 50 -100 years when the tree dies, the old sign will remain :)
More likely someone will cut it down, begin carving it into firewood and receive a really nasty surprise.
Perhaps nasty... unless said person is a member of our fair hobby.
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Usually the "dead end" sign is posted on the other side of the street in a diamond.
I know there are plenty of funny-cut signs on this site, I'm just not used to seeing any IRL.
(http://i.imgur.com/rj0lfq5.jpg)
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Here's an interesting one in Selma, AL:
http://www.instantstreetview.com/@32.411128,-87.005517,-329.91h,-10.49p,4z
EDIT: Changed link.
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Found an odd green-on-white Ohio route shield today:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8818/17224421556_2567d2169d_c.jpg)
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Found a couple of these last week in the Irvington neighborhood of Indianapolis:
(http://vidthekid.info/imghost/weird-font-indy.jpeg)
One of them was on westbound Washington Street just past Shadeland; this one was on eastbound Washington just past Johnson Avenue. I didn't think to look for a sticker on the back. Anyway, does this odd font have a name?
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Is this the normal "Narrow Bridge" sign? I always thought it was just text.
Tumwater, Washington, along Henderson Boulevard:
(http://i.imgur.com/9QvUeIr.jpg)
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Yup, W5-2a in the MUTCD, but removed in 2000 according to the description here (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MUTCD_W5-2a.svg).
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Is this the normal "Narrow Bridge" sign? I always thought it was just text.
Tumwater, Washington, along Henderson Boulevard:
(http://i.imgur.com/9QvUeIr.jpg)
Here's another one:
(http://www2.apwa.net/images/photolibrary/large/052-Narrow-Bridge-Warning-S.jpg)
I like it actually. Better than a text sign IMO. Not as good as the Canadian / European / Asian etc sign though:
(http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/traffic-control-devices-manual/sign-specifications/images/pw05-02-nolabels.gif)
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Here's a variation with a missing piece:
https://goo.gl/maps/zWJVG
SR 616 near Keswick, VA
Mapmikey
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Yup, W5-2a in the MUTCD, but removed in 2000 according to the description here (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MUTCD_W5-2a.svg).
??? What the hell? It was in the Millenium Edition, but gone in 2003. You don't see symbols removed from the MUTCD everyday.
I like it actually. Better than a text sign IMO. Not as good as the Canadian / European / Asian etc sign though:
Very seldom do I prefer American signs to Canadian signs. The "double arrow" sign (W12-1) is one that I prefer, and I think this is the other. Both do a very good job, I just like the lane lines for some reason. Sort of like the Canadian passing lane signs.
Here's a variation with a missing piece:
I would imagine that the signs will slowly be replaced.
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I know of a bunch near me. I guess I should go out and photograph them!
I'm willing to bet it was removed from the MUTCD because they decided that it wasn't visible enough or something.
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When graphic signs first started replacing text signs, I often wondered why "Narrow Bridge" signs weren't originally included. I envisioned something that looked pretty much like what eventually was developed. There are still a few of the graphic signs in this area that haven't been replaced with text. So I guess what's old is new again.
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^ The Aggression and Extreme Prejudice Towards Others, Possibly Involving a Cardinal Direction; I tells 'ya.
Or, Armstrong Flower Fields in Carlsbad, California (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=33.122133,-117.316067&spn=0.01125,0.01929&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.122128,-117.315928&panoid=neK1pvJqMMXBrRZA8F7YIA&cbp=12,271.22,,0,1.5). The only time I've seen artwork to complement a couple of BGSs:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/PalomarAirport-FlowerFieldBGS.jpg)
I have been known to experiment with artwork on signage myself, and think it could be helpful especially if handling a street or community named for a famous person, as in an historical figure or even a celebrity.
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(In discussion of purple-background guide signs on Westpark Tollway in Houston)
Different color combinations. Green is used for guide signs in the US because a study conducted in preparation for the interstate highway system where drivers drove around a test track found that green was the most readable, beating out blue and black.
Actually, no. Years ago I asked for a copy of the study and discovered it was a pure popularity contest. Each of the three combinations was already being successfully used somewhere in the US at the time, and the test subjects were asked to rate the one they found most pleasing.
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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6602560053_4c0e7a2b58_z_d.jpg)
Ugly fonts in Oklahoma
Good point: I note the use of an old-type-looking font that someone suggested looked like a football jersey on the US sign - and the contractor's use of a new OK marker with Series E Modified numbers - which is a carryover from the old OK circle markers, which in the last 10 years of use, also used SEM numbers - which is also noted in my OWN avatar, which is, forgive me, a look at a NON-DIECUT California miners spade if Oklahomans made it.
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